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Thu Jan 19, 2017, 09:01 PM

What bothers me most about the primary wars

Is the way in which those unhappy with the choice of nominee have created a narrative that ignores and disrespects the great majority of Democratic voters. Recriminations about how "the party" should have chosen a different candidate willfully ignores the agency of the 16 million citizens who independently made their own choices about whom to support. Treating the primary result as the the outcome of a reified party erases American citizens who made choices with which Sanders supporters disagree. We've seen the election results wielded as a cudgel, with which individual DUers are told that if they don't accept the Bernie contingents interpretation, the party is doomed to perpetual failure, as though elections were determined by compelling a few dozen people on a message board to submit to their views. I have even seen people argue that the millions of votes of the majority (particularly those by African Americans) aren't pertinent because they reflectively voted according to party loyalty.

Think about what that says. Do you truly believe that anyone who disagrees with you is unable to make rational political choices, and that their failure to do as you say means their votes are illegitimate or less valid than your own? What makes you think it acceptable to deny the democratic choices of the most historically marginalized Americans? How can people claim to represent a progressive ideology while erasing the majority of Democratic voters, especially people of color (whom we know voted overwhelmingly for Clinton), from political consideration? Do you truly believe that the only voters who matter are those who shared your own choice in a single presidential party?

And how is it that people demand we understand the reasons for the votes of white Trump supporters while rejecting or ignoring the political choices of the majority of Democrats?

Remember this for the next primaries (and subsequent general elections, for that matter). Advancing your chosen candidate is not accomplished by forcing agreement on a message board or through emails by party officials. It means winning votes--the individual votes of millions of individual Americans whose choices are no less important than your own. Refusing to understand that basic point makes winning unlikely. When those voters whose choices are dismissed come disproportionately from historically marginalized groups, it draws into question claims of progressivism.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 09:44 PM

1. No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump.

Here is a good example Sanders really hurting Clinton. I am still mad at the number of times that trump used Sanders' claims against Clinton. Sanders' baseless charges that the system was fixed and rigged were used by trump to great effect and hurt Clinton http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rigged-system-donald-trump_us_5855cb44e4b08debb7898607?section=us_politics

And if Sanders’ rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.

I think he was able to thread a certain toxic needle. But he did win, and we’re all going to pay the price.
John Weaver, aide to Ohio Gov. John Kasich’s presidential campaign

The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....

And if Sanders’ rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.

Sanders' bogus rigged process claim hurt a great deal.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:05 PM

2. Nice post. Agree 100%

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:22 PM

3. They say, "Open your eyes" "Wake Up!" "Stop burying your head in the sand"

"Stop finger-pointing and look in the mirror!" Democrats are losers and always will be unless (blah blah blah) followed by the obligatory passive-aggressive insult. I saw this comment today and have seen variations of it many times and think it sums up this sort of person: Democrats think "white people are evil racists who are obliged to vote for Democrats and never question why the party doesn't give a flying fuck about jobs and their economic concerns because Democrats can't handle working on economic justice at the same time it works on social justice." Who's the one asleep?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:29 PM

4. forget that Obama won both times and these same ones were attacking him during his time in office

 

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:39 PM

5. lulz

 

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2017, 05:03 AM

6. It's ridiculous.. and not even a smidge of

a worthy argument.

It certainly does draw that into question. Mahalo for stating it so eloquently, B

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