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[uponit7771]

1. I said this as much, if Sanders had started this revolution 20 years ago Clinton would not have

... ran because Sanders would've been a shoe in.

[SidDithers]

2. DU rec...

I voted to leave.

Sid

[Orsino]

3. Some will never forgive him.

http://addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/

[Gothmog]

4. Has Sanders changed his FEC filing to run as a Democrat for Senate in 2018?

[Orsino]

6. Would it help? n/t

[otohara]

11. It Might - When He Says "We"

in all his Tweets and continued bashing of Democrats post election interviews etc.

I wonder just who the fuck he's talking about.

[kickitup]

16. Probably just "the people."

Hard concept to understand, I know.

[otohara]

21. No It's Him Not Wanting To Utter

the words Democrats or the Democratic party.

He will never heal the divide and hate he created towards Democrats, our nominee and towards POTUS Obama if he continues to
distance himself from the party he used, abused and trashed for decades.

[kickitup]

29. If the election taught us anything, it's that "party" doesn't really matter anymore.

But it doesn't surprise me in the least that many of you have yet to awaken to that fact.

Bernie's "we" is broader than any party.

[LaydeeBug]

63. this is not "broaderthanapartyunderground" and I love me some Bernie

but he isn't one of us...and while I'd still vote for him, I am not falling to the RT meme of 'he would have beat Trump". the Kremlin just would have stolen it a different way.

[TCJ70]

18. He's caucused with Dems longer than I've been alive...

...it's safe to say we know who "we" is.

[otohara]

23. While Stabbing Them In The Back

every Friday, including our President.

I used to listen - religiously

[TheCowsCameHome]

49. That's rich. It really is.

[otohara]

53. Can't Love A Party You Repeatedly Scorn

he's still doing it... can't stop himself. He has no alliance to anyone but himself.

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”


He had “an enormously contentious relationship” with them, said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), then a state senator.

“Back in those days,” said Maurice Mahoney, the head of the Democratic Party in Burlington in the ’80s, “his goal was to destroy Democrats—certainly on the local level.”

“It was a Democratic town that he basically took from them,” said Bill Conroy, who wrote a dissertation on Sanders’ tenure as mayor.
Said Hamilton Davis, a longtime Vermont reporter and Sanders watcher: “They hated him, and he hated them—unreservedly.”

In ’86, he decided to run for governor, against Kunin, which bothered her—Sanders’ “daily diet consisted of vitriol,” she would write in her memoir—and worried many Vermont Democrats, who thought he might peel away enough votes to foil the reelection bid of the state’s first female governor. Democrats, Welch recalled, were “extremely upset.

“The main difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in this city,” he said in an interview in Burlington in July with a Cornell student writing a master’s thesis, “is that the Democrats are in insurance and the Republicans are in banking.”

In that summer’s issue of Vermont Affairs magazine, he called the Democratic Party “ideologically bankrupt,” then added: “They have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.”

“I am not a Democrat, period.” Sanders’ support for Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee, was so tepid it almost didn’t even qualify. He dubbed Dukakis “the lesser of two evils” as opposed to George H.W. Bush.

In an op-ed in the New York Times in January 1989, he called the Democratic and Republican parties “tweedle-dee” and “tweedle-dum,” both adhering in his estimation to an “ideology of greed and vulgarity.”
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

Then his threats to primary our president

[Orsino]

20. So if he put a D after his name again...

...you would feel differently about what he says?

[otohara]

22. I Don't Know

My Friday ritual for years was to listen to Brunch w/ Bern on the radio...but then he took aim at our president calling him weak and how millions and millions of American's were deeply disappointed in him and "somebody" should primary him, but he didn't have the cajones to say he was that person...it took a very long time before he admitted it. I also realized he says the same old shit over and over - a lot of complaining with unattainable solutions considering which party rules house/senate.

Back then I did not know how he had been trashing my party for years and swore many times he'd never run as a Democrat to running as a Democrat. Why should I believe a man who went back on his words and used my party to undermine Democrats and sully Hillary in a most personal manner... he continues to do so.

I went from liking him to loathing him - it might help if he'd become a Democrat and start healing the division he's partially responsible for, but that's never going to happen it it? Bernie never admits when he's wrong.

[Orsino]

27. Whatever it is you loathe, I don't see him changing his ways.

His trashing does seem focused on making the party more responsive to us and less so to moneyed interests. I'm going to keep applauding that behavior; it doesn't hurt my own feelings.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. "I went from liking him to loathing him". I'm with you on that. I used to admire him until I started

researching his past congressional votes.

I understand his appeal with people who just want to rebel to be able to satisfy a personal need to rebel. But I don't see any need for him outside his votes with Democrats in the Senate, and I certainly don't approve of his attacks of President Obama and Hillary Clinton and the DNC that gave the Orange-dictator all the fodder he needed to pile on.

[BlueMTexpat]

60. I was generally OK with him

until the first follow-up meeting in NV where his supporters tried to change the outcome of the actual caucus in unprecedentedly nasty fashion and he basically acted as if their tactics were just fine.

From that point on, he went down the slippery slope VERY fast and I still haven't quite forgiven him. In fact, every time he bashes Dems or preaches to Hillary's Dem base that WE are the problem with her not winning in red states while WWC voters should have been pandered to, he slips right back down that slope. I also don't like how some of his supporters basically muscled Howard Dean and Martin O'Malley out of the DNC Chair race.

Frankly, I don't find him trustworthy. JMO

[Cal33]

35. He probably still has more supporters than some of his detractors think.

[lapucelle]

44. It might, especially if the Vermont Democratic leadership

decides to authorize a challenger to Sanders on the Democratic line.

[Justice]

62. Exactly. Tired of Sanders tweeting about what Democrats should do. He should join us or stop.

[Gothmog]

65. Agreed

[Raster]

5. Yes, because they are still dragging that smelly old canard around...

...there is a LONG LIST of reasons why Hillary Clinton lost the election. Bernie Sanders doesn't even make the top five. But you know, haters gonna hate. Too bad we didn't have a more likeable and trustable candidate, you know, one that didn't have more baggage than American Tourister. And maybe our next candidate will ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO ALL VOTERS, not just the ones that can afford the $1,000 per plate dinners. And hopefully our next candidate will put more faith in "boots on the ground" than they do in "the model."

[MelissaB]

7. + 1000

[niyad]

26. you might try reading this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028379627

[Raster]

37. Been there, read that. Just another opinion, nothing more...

...and no matter how many times this poster opines the same OPINION, does not make it anything other than HER OPINION.

The indisputable fact of the matter is that OUR CANDIDATE LOST. And when our candidate lost, WE ALL LOST. Instead of holding back "the dark forces," we all now have to deal with the worst of the worst at the highest levels of power. There seemingly appear to be A NUMBER OF REASONS for this loss, and, IMHO, I do NOT count the candidacy of Senator Sanders as high on that list. And I am getting shit-fed-full of the Forever Hillary crowd's inability to accurately and honestly process the election results and the data presented.

We all need to man-up and woman-up and take a good, long, hard look at our current realities.

[niyad]

39. and your opinion is just your opinion, no matter how many times repeated.

[Raster]

40. Absolutely true and NEVER maintained otherwise.

Have a nice day!

[lastone]

57. Yep

Only fools think Sanders damaged the Democratic party. Silly stupid fools...

[R B Garr]

8. Well said. His statements now really show the desperate

attention seeking and how out of context he is willing to stoop to just for adoration.

"Do the hard career work", great quote. Notice he choose to go back to Independent so he doesn't have to bother with the hard parts.

Rec!

[TCJ70]

9. On his way out the door?

LOL...get used to hearing his name more often.

[DURHAM D]

12. and peddles his book

[NWCorona]

33. Just like a lot of people. I don't see the problem with him selling a book lol

[m-lekktor]

36. how tacky! Hillary would NEVER write books!11 nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Yeah we definitely don't want a candidate who "pads their accounts"

That would be a turn off to voters and drive their negative approval ratings with registered voters to the high 50s.

[kickitup]

15. They are absolutely clueless.

[TCJ70]

19. Exactly...n/t

[kickitup]

13. If only he had padded his account earlier in life like some others I won't mention.

[R B Garr]

17. Yeah, like the ol' GOP family values double standard.

They preach morality, but they insist that they are not accountable to their own standards. No thanks. We've seen through that little charade.

[HassleCat]

24. I alerted on this.

If you want to imagine something, imagine how you would feel if somebody wrote this about Hillary.

[elleng]

30. Thanks. I'm getting out of here for a while.

I'm afraid real progressive/liberal success is doomed, if this is the reaction to such foolishness here.

He has exactly spent his whole career fighting for meaningful accomplishments, but tptb, in sway here as well as elsewhere, just won't have it.

[Cal33]

45. Hey, Ellen, I think more and more of Bernie's supporters are returning to this site -- slowly,

to be sure -- but they are returning. Would you mind delaying your vacation from this
site a little bit?

[elleng]

61. Hi, Cal33. I'm back!

Just went out for coffee and.

Whether or not Senator Sanders' supporters return (p.s. I supported Governor O'Malley officially, and later, unofficially, recognized the necessity for Sanders' success,) I'm very unhappy with the reaction of many here to Senator Sanders. Feels quite juvenile and uninformed to me. AND continuing to hit eachother over the head ONLY benefits trump and repugs, no doubt about that.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

48. I'm calling it right now. Hillary Clinton will run in 2020.

[elleng]

68. If she does, she'll have to have better staff work.

That's what doomed her this time, imo, taking advice from those who didn't get importance of face to face in rust belt etc. Then-Senator Obama knew it, and did it well years ago, and recently discussed importance of 'getting down' with people, even those not expected to be sympathetic.

If your emoji is meant as admonishment of some kind, it's only a benefit to repugs. We must NOT do the circular firing squad thing.

[TCJ70]

42. They can't reply...

...had a post hidden in this thread.

[jalan48]

25. Yeah-all that money he took from lobbyists as well.

I bet he can wait to go to work for one of those big K Street firms. Which one do you think he'll choose?

[PatsFan87]

28. Oh the sweet smell of irony when someone with a Hillary Clinton avatar

criticizes another politician for how they're making money. It's almost as if ol' Bernie was speaking in front of Wall Street for hundreds of thousands of dollars a speech. Oh wait.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. Can you imagine

what the response would be here if anyone had dared criticize Hillary in this fashion? Of course, some politicians, having found speechmaking more lucrative, don't need to "pad their retirement accounts."

Of all the reasons Hillary lost the election, Bernie doesn't make even the top 50.

[yodermon]

32. That's right BERNIE. NO books for you. Know your place.

You did not bow to the Democrat's corporate masters so we shall continue to taunt you.

[NWCorona]

34. Aren't you tired of the sour grapes yet?

[aikoaiko]

41. WTF? When did you decide to go full-hate?

Padding his retirement account?

[bowens43]

43. bitter bitter bitter...get over it she lost

[TheCowsCameHome]

46. Yep, he should be prepping for his inauguation next month,

but instead the machine bulldozed him.

[BainsBane]

47. "The machine"

Voters, specifically the majority of Democrats--people of color and women. Yeah, the most marginalized Americans are the "machine" who dared to deny a man his birthright.

[SaschaHM]

51. "The Machine"

Still not recognizing that your guy couldn't connect with registered democrats and black voters? Now we're "the machine"? That's hilarious.

[TheCowsCameHome]

52. You know full well what the machine reference was.

Don't play stupid.

BTW, how'd your candidate do?

[SaschaHM]

54. I'm not being stupid.

Always ignoring black voters so you can peddle some bullshit. My candidate did infinitely better than yours.

Also, it's ironic that your trying to say the primary was rigged when your guy ran up the board at caucuses that excluded folks by making it difficult to vote.

[R B Garr]

69. How could anyone ask a snarky question like that when the primaries

showed how badly her opponent did. Millions of voters rejected him.

[SidDithers]

70. OMFG...

Sid

[Cal33]

50. Unfortunately, many think that the honest politicians - those with integrity and who work for

the betterment of the entire nation are stupid and passe, altogether out-dated. They prefer
to support those politicians who are lining their own pockets, as well as the pockets of their
followers. These latter are the modern, up-to-date and smarter ones.

It doesn't matter in the least that our whole country is going down the drain, and we are on
our way to becoming a Third World Nation -- with all that bribery and corruption going on.

[Dustlawyer]

55. Can you imagine channeling your hate towards Trump and the Republicans?

Hillary lost get over it! Thats what we were told after the Primary, except we still had to then vote for Hillary, which we did.

It is time to move on.

[SaschaHM]

56. I hope we have a Dem running the Vermont Senate in 2018.

It could be Sanders or someone else for all I care.

[Eric J in MN]

58. If Bernie sold out, then who paid him? NT

NT

[Devil Child]

59. Someone's mad n/t

[FairWinds]

64. One never hears the corporate-style Dems . .

complain about the Koch brothers being part of the
Democratic Party.

It's only the FDR-type progressive who bother them,
which is quite revealing.

[LiberalLovinLug]

66. Its almost laughable to still see these kinds of OPs. Forget sore loser, we have sore winners.

Hillary WON the primaries. Sanders supporters were required to accept that EVEN AFTER reports of consistent interference by DWS and the DNC. And we did for the good of the party and the threat of a Trump presidency. Any so-called Bernie "supporter" that turned and voted for Trump was never a true Democrat in the first place and would never have voted for her regardless. And if there were any their numbers were greatly exaggerated.

Most were like Sarah Silverman, who was behind Hillary early on and was excited about the possibility of the first female President, but when Sanders burst onto the scene with his wonderful long needed platform that would have moved the country into the modern age and caught up with the rest of the liberal democracies in the world, she recognized this as "something better came along" with Bernie.
And then when it was clear that Hillary was the winner, and Sanders himself conceded, she put her full support behind Hillary, as did the vast majority of Sanders supporters. And she went further and told the more vocally angry Bernie backers to "just stop it" at the convention.

Now bitter folks like you come along afterwards and kick the losing candidate and by proxy, his supporters when they are down. Down not from Sanders losing, but like all of us, down because of the impending doom of a Trump presidency.

[Raster]

67. !!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

71. Looking for as many scapegoats as possible

to explain a loss that should not have happened.

[LiberalLovinLug]

72. Exactly

[JCanete]

73. this is so disconnected from reality. You think coalitions are just made? That people who

owe their careers to courting business interests are going to see the wisdom of a person who is advocating against those mechanisms?

The very reason a person railing against the system as is stands does not get clout or power from that system, is that he is anathema to its very existence.

You're ideas are make-believe. The fact that he somehow, just for the sake of plugging away his whole life, and timing, caught a wave of sentiment near the end of it, has nothing to do with him "selling out." The clout he's building now is all for show from the establishment, I assure you. He was always there. He always knew these people. Nobody stood behind or with him before. You are suggesting that they would have, had he gone about things differently but I assure you, they were much happier when they could render him mute.

[mtnsnake]

74. What a monumental pile of sore losing bull crap

Anyone who's followed Sanders' career over the last 25 years knows he has been consistent from the start in always looking out for well being of everyone, not just the privileged. And not just lately but right from the start of his career.