Sen. Feinstein: Fair to Say Clinton's Hurting After Campaign of Name-Calling

[DonViejo]

by Josh Feldman | 7:53 pm, December 14th, 2016

Senator Dianne Feinstein said on MSNBC today that Hillary Clinton is obviously having a rough time after losing an election where she faced a lot of attacks and “name-calling.”

Feinstein weighed in on Russian hacking and concerns over Rex Tillerson, Donald Trump‘s choice for Secretary of State, before Mitchell asked her about her recent dinner with the Democratic presidential nominee.

Feinstein said, “It’s fair to say that she’s hurting.” She brought up everything Clinton went through during the campaign:

“She is brave, she is a real professional in the sense of her values, her care, her concern, and as I think all of us know who watched that campaign, it was a hard campaign for her. The name-calling, the email intrusion, the misinterpretation with what she did with emails, 11 hours in front of a committee… and she stood up to it all.”

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[Buzz Clik]

1. The culmination of 25 years of Clinton hating.

[SHRED]

2. Feinstein doing no favors

"Hurting" after "name calling" may be true but those are terrible optics to be putting out about someone who should have been our President. It implies weakness and gives our enemies more to pile on.

[Auggie]

8. Agreed ... she's also doing California salmon and Delta Smelt no favors either

She just sold them down the river, literally, by overriding endangered species protections for native California fish in a big infrastructure bill. It was a huge blow to senate colleague Barbara Boxer, who co-authored the Water Resources and Development Act, and environmentalists.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Boxer-slams-water-bill-rider-backed-by-Feinstein-10699564.php

Boxer is retiring in January. It should have been Feinstein.

[SHRED]

10. Damn it

[Auggie]

13. Yeah. Boxer is livid. And rightfully so. (n/t)

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Feinstein is probably thrilled that AG sessions provides the last best hope to stopping legal weed

[BainsBane]

23. Of all the shit facing this country now

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and you worry about weed.

I think the fact Sessions won't protect voting rights or enforce federal laws against hate crimes is far more serious.
People are going to die from hate crimes, and the DOJ and Trump aren't going to do a thing.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. oh no. i expressed a disallowed opinion. Doubleplusungood!

I know it bothers you endlessly that people don't say what you want them to say, and dont think what you want them to think. That's why you spend so mich time crafting threads full of elaborate straw caricatures- because it's way easier to win an argument againt a 2-D cardboard creation of your own mind, than to engage people as they actually are.

So You know what? I'm gonna keep talking about what I want to talk about, and if you don't like it, tough. DiFi was my senator for a long time. There are plenty of grounds on which to criticise her, and that issue is one of them.

[BainsBane]

30. You should absolutely talk about what you want

And focus on what you value. You'll have to excuse my momentary shock at your priorities. I tend to believe human life and equal rights matter more than getting high, but then I haven't successfully adopted all aspects of white bourgeoisie culture--many, but not all.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Straw, straw, straw and more straw.

"My priorities"- well, for one, anyone with even a cursory understanding of logic would grok that mentioning "a" does not imply a lack of concern about "b". I guess if I go to the grocery store I must not give a shit about Syrian refugees. Rinse, repeat!

But bringing it home to the context of the topic at hand, namely Sen. Feinstein's priorities, not mine (despite what an endlessly fascinating subject I and what I believe, am) --- I suppose we'll get an answer as to whether or not DOJ prosecution of hate crimes is more or less important than weed, when she votes on the AG confirmation.

One thing I do know is, she's only held panicked hearings with Chuck Grassley this past year on one of those issues, and it wasnt hate crimes-

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/oldest-us-senators-accused-of-holding-biased-marijuana-hearing

Lastly, as much as you would like to imagine that support for marijuana legalization is all about white bourgeois concern with "getting high"- here's a news flash, back in the days when I did get high a lot, prohibition didnt do shit to keep me from doing it as much as I wanted to. I probably axe grind about it a lot more now because I'm clear-headed enough to bother.

So no, it's not about "getting high", hyuk hyuk- it's about a fucking shitton of new jobs, nascent industries, billions in revenue, and a giant influx of tax dollars in many states, including my own. Because even if I only take a hit off a joint once in a blue moon, I do use the roads and infrastructure and other public services that benefit from this substance finally being legal, regulated and taxed.

Oh, and it's also about police priorities, reducing imprisonment, AND eliminating a policy with historical track record of disproportionate enforcement against minorities- you know, that whole "social justice" thing.

And while the self-appointed gatekeepers of what is really important™ here on DU have told us for years what a silly, frivolous thing that issue is to give a shit about, guess what? The clear, unequivocal widespread majority winner on election day by the numbers wasn't Donald Trump OR Hillary Clinton, in almost every state it was on the ballot it was mother####ing marijuana.

Maybe it's time to stop lecturing voters as to what they should care about, and listen to them as to what they actually DO.

So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[dionysus]

39. And dont forget such teifling things such as relieving the discomfort of AIDS and cancer patients. G

love it when someone assumes eveyone is a single monded automaton.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Exactly. And in some states those people risk long prison sentences for their trouble.

you would think the entire issue is all about some Phish fans in knit beanies looking to score a bag.

[BainsBane]

46. Well, now we have an incoming president

who admires the Philippine president's use of death squads to quite literally fight a war on drugs. But Feinstein is the problem because she held hearings.

I understand your concerns. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand how they've become moot in the current political climate. Everything that so outraged you under Obama is about to become a quaint memory.

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For the member who suddenly deleted his post about how he thinks I have issues with hippies smoking weed: Hippies smoking weed is a family reunion on my Dad's side.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Again, false dilemma.

Feinstein isn't "the problem", she's a problem, or more specifically her position here is a problem. And if she votes to confirm Sessions, does it make a difference whether I questioned how he's gonna handle weed or you said I should be more concerned about hate crimes? No, what will matter is the vote in the Senate. Up or down. And honestly, the guy will probably be confirmed even without her.

Everything that so outraged you under Obama is now a quaint memory.

Who the everflippin' fuck are you even talking to? That statement doesn't bear any resemblance whatsoever to, fucking, anything. Certainly not me. Jesus fuck.

You don't know what I do or don't understand, because you aren't having a conversation with me. Again, you're having a conversation with one of your own straw creations. Have fun!

[BainsBane]

50. My point was a direct response to your complaints about drug policy under Obama

and Feinstein holding hearings that you didn't approve of. That's not a strawman. That's a response to your post.

And things are about to get a whole hell of a lot worse. That's not a joke.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. I didn't say anything about Obama, did I?

Feinstein held those hearings with Chuck Grassley, who, time last I checked, is a Republican.

There was more criticism of Obama in their "ZOMG O NO WEED" reefer madness hearings than you've heard from me.

[Buzz Clik]

54. +1, BB. From top to bottom on this thread.

Even after all the chess pieces have been removed, some players keep working their mouths.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. Except I was talking about the hearings Feinstein held with Senator Grassley, a Republican.

There was more criticism of Obama aired in the brief time of those hearings than I've posted on DU in the entire past 8 years, thanks.

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good axe grind, much less another attempt to shut me up. Lets see how well that works out, shall we?

[melman]

38. Personal freedom is important

also, lol @ "white bourgeoisie culture"

Because obviously those are the only people who smoke weed.

Finger on the pulse there.

[BainsBane]

47. Funny how Black Lives Matter

don't focus on weed but on black lives

[BlueProgressive]

37. THIS.

[JTFrog]

16. Or it implies humanity.

She can't win. When she's tough, she a calculating cold person who doesn't care. If she shows human feelings she is weak.

It's one thing to have to deal with the attacks from the opposition, but the attacks from within our party probably hurt the most. We let a spoiler into our party who had supporters screaming "Lock her up!" for fuck's sake. Things went beyond fucked up.

I'd like to say that I can't believe all the shit that happened this election, but I do. This is what women are always going up against. 10,000 hoops and double standards.

[BainsBane]

24. That and the fact some are still attacking her at every opportunity

and on national television. It's repugnant.

[SQUEE]

20. Bingo.

This just feeds the monstrous bullies on the Right.

It also feed back to the narrative that she is a woman and her feelz make her weak.

[BainsBane]

22. She's a human being

and why on earth should optics matter now? Her political career is over. People might actually show some humanity toward her for a change. The days where she exists for others to treat her as a human pinata are over. She gets to live her own life, and that means she is allowed to feel, just like the male politicians that people around here insist never be criticized.

[Cha]

31. I know.

[duffyduff]

3. It doesn't help matters when so-called Democratic electors

want to knife her in the back with the idiotic "Hamilton Electors" bullshit idea.

It just infuriates me.

[BlueMTexpat]

58. I am still fuming over this.

[justhanginon]

4. It literally makes me ill to think of what we could have had in Secretary Clinton

as president elect. Instead we have this rapacious piece of filth that is now waiting in the wings to literally try to destroy everything good that our country has stood for both domestically and in foreign lands. As I see it from here it will only get worse with the republicans in charge of all branches of government, especially the supreme court with its ideologically driven right wing hacks who will be in the majority very soon.

[Guilded Lilly]

7. I am sitting right next to you in cyberspace...

And your description of the Cretin and what he represents has given me new words to repeat when I thought I was out of them.
R.P.o.F. Indeed.

I'm so damned weary but we still must RESIST.

[LisaM]

26. I know. I thought this was going to be one of the happiest months of my life.

Instead, it's been one of the worst. It's even more infuriating that it was all part of a big game. Even if they fix it (no real hope of that) we can't turn back the clock to November 7th.

[BlueMTexpat]

59. +a zillion or so!

I have never been so disgusted with some of my fellow citizens in my life. I've been disappointed before, but never disgusted like this.

There is NO "getting over" this. It's too serious and too disgusting.

[still_one]

5. The country and the American people are going to be hurting for decades because of this

The 47% who didn't bother to vote, those who voted third party, and those self-identified progressives who decided not to vote for the Democratic nominee will be paying a high price along with everyone else for that folly

[Arkansas Granny]

6. This! I feel as much anger at the ones you named as I do those who actually voted for DT.

[Guilded Lilly]

9. Maybe even more. n/t

[still_one]

11. me too Arkansas

[brer cat]

19. me too.

[BlueMTexpat]

60. +1! eom

[riversedge]

12. EXCEPT those who in the 47% who are fairly well off will not

probably feel much.

[uponit7771]

15. 20 years from now they'll be still blaming Obama

[Cha]

32. With their last gasp..

[mtnsnake]

14. After what she went through in 2008 and now in 2016, it's amazing that she is still as composed

as she is. I don't know how she does it.

[dionysus]

41. You know who knows?

Brewer and Shipley!

One toke over the line, sweet mtnsnake, one toke over the line....

How ya been, man? It's been many, many years!

[mtnsnake]

44. sweet jesus stop it right now!

Thanks for that earworm I didn't need today. How's it goin' buddy!

[dionysus]

57. It's goin! Lots have happened in the years since we last spoke...

[jalan48]

17. So what if she's hurting?

She gave it all she had, even campaigning when she had pneumonia. She has every right to hurt.

[Orsino]

18. She's had plenty of time to get used to it.

It's not as though the wingnuts have come up with any new names in the past twenty years.

[otohara]

27. No One Was Prepared

for the vitriol that came from so-called-progressives though.

Worse than wingnuts and unforgivable IMO.
It's why she lost.

[Hekate]

34. THIS

That part was unforgivable

[Hekate]

35. So, if you were subjected to random beatings year after year, complete with black eyes...

...and the occasional broken bone, would you figure you had had "plenty of time to get used to it"? Because that is just the physical equivalent of what she endured psychologically.

That was a remarkably callous statement you made. Almost like you think she doesn't have human feelings, or a heart that can be broken.

[otohara]

53. Twisted & Sick

Deplorable comment but not surprised considering...

[bravenak]

28. I am still angry at it

[coco22]

29. When will someone run against Feinstein..

I have been waiting for her to leave for years,she has made her money and helps the other side at critical times when we need Dems to fight,long past time for her.

[rumdude]

36. Good question - what the hell has Feinstein ever done to help grow the Dem party?

She's a total status-quo, sleep-walking BS class pet....

Get rid of the class pets.

[coco22]

43. She and Nancy help it to grow with ...

so called blue dogs who really are republiCON, They listen to this garbage about the party is too far to the left when was that 50 or 60 yrs ago.

Dems are afraid and people like Feinstein keep the party as republicon lite. We lose because people like her block what Dems have been fighting for when its critical they don't do anything but fight fringe issues that don't affect most people they just want to win and feel good.

While they are feeling good people are getting older and poorer so many feel what do they have to lose,so they vote for an orange asshole!

[BainsBane]

49. Again, Clinton won incomes under $50k

and her greatest margin was among voters earning less than $30k. Trump won all incomes brackets over $75k. This narrative about Trump's win relating to poverty simply is not supported by exit poll data.

It's also ironic that this concern about the party being too centrist was invoked as a reason for critics to support a centrist against the more liberal Pelosi for House Minority Leader.

[Starry Messenger]

52. Unlike some I won't name, many of us vote for people so Republicans don't win that seat.

[Hekate]

56. Damn straight. On the whole DiFi is a good senator for California, with plenty of seniority (power)

When she decides to retire, those of us who are Democrats hope and pray we get a strong Democrat to run in her place. We got lucky with Kamala Harris. You don't always get lucky twice.

[Sunlei]

55. Much Love Hillary. You've earned & deserve a couple months break from Republicans crafted 'madness'

You'll go on (along with many others) to do great things in future through the private sector. We need you, our democracy needs you more then ever. The majority of American voters have your back and we ARE strong together.

LOVE, Sunlei