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Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:41 PM

This from my FB feed on a nonprofit group planning to sue FL. Has anyone else seen this? Thoughts?

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A nonprofit group is planning to sue the state of Florida to force a recount and that group is now raising funds to cover the cost of that lawsuit.
They needs $50,000 to proceed with the lawsuit.
Please donate here the link

https://protectourelections.nationbuilder.com/florida_recount
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Reply This from my FB feed on a nonprofit group planning to sue FL. Has anyone else seen this? Thoughts? (Original post)
Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 OP
texasmomof3 Dec 2016 #1
SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #4
Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #2
hedda_foil Dec 2016 #3
Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #7
hedda_foil Dec 2016 #11
Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #14
Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #5
fallrey Dec 2016 #6
greytdemocrat Dec 2016 #8
jmg257 Dec 2016 #9
triron Dec 2016 #10
budkin Dec 2016 #12
triron Dec 2016 #13
SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #15

Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:43 PM

1. what are the recount rules in florida?

Is it candidate only initiated like in MI and WI or can it be voter initiated in FL and has the time passed?

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Response to texasmomof3 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:55 PM

4. Neither

Automatic recount if margin is .5% or less. If the recount brings the margin to .25% or less, then there is a hand recount of over votes/under votes only.

Plus, Florida certified their elections more than a week ago.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:46 PM

2. Good Question...Does anyone know.

Here's some more from their website. Anyone out there know if this is/could be legit?


We need attorney fees to contest Florida's election!

This election is about making sure every vote is counted. The nonpartisan movement for election integrity helped launch recount efforts that are underway in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Now we need your help to act on information we received about voting abnormalities in Florida.

In Florida, the infamous DS-200 optical scan machine is in use in many parts of the state. Affidavits from voters illegally turned away from the polls are being gathered. And county election officials are reporting that 25,000 absentee ballots were requested but never sent out in Broward County alone.

Unfortunately, Florida law has been changed to make it all but impossible to have a recount. The only avenue for inspecting the ballots is to file a lawsuit contesting the election results, and that must be done by Friday, Dec 2nd.

We Have to Know, a nonpartisan group of Wisconsin-based election integrity experts and organizers, believes that every vote must be counted fairly, accurately, and honestly. (Find us on our Facebook group.) We were successful helping make a recount happen in Wisconsin, but nowhere is this principle of election integrity more important to defend than in Florida, with its 29 electoral votes, a long history of election problems and malfeasance, and where most votes were counted on the DS200, an error-prone and insecure machine decertified for use by California. We've been organizing activists and lawyers in Florida to prepare a lawsuit.

Leonisia Olivares the Florida Fair Elections Coalition has agreed to stand as a plaintiff for fair elections, and the law firm of Clint Curtis has taken the case and will be filing suit on Friday. We need to raise $25,000 to cover the initial litigation costs for our side and $25,000 to protect the plaintiff in the event of liability for opposition attorney's fees. ProtectOurElections.org is a 501c3 that has stepped forward to be the fiscal sponsor for our election integrity work, and donations made are tax-deductible.

There is not a lot of time, and without this suit, we may never know whether the machines were secure and that every vote was fairly counted. Please help us ensure election integrity in Florida by making a tax-deductible donation today.

Donate With Confidence, Your Transaction Is Secure Using Authorize Net.

Protect Our Elections is a fiscally sponsored 501(c)(3) so all donations are tax deductible. ProtectOurElections is a national collaboration of grassroots organizations that have joined together to reclaim our democracy, providing oversight to rescue elections from partisan politics and privatization. It is collecting donations for this urgent recount campaign on behalf of We Have to Know. Thank you for supporting the movement for election integrity.

Any money raised that is not used for the Florida recount lawsuit, will go toward recount efforts in other states.

Please send checks to:

Protect Our Elections

POB 9576

Washington, DC 20016






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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:53 PM

3. To the best of my knowledge, Florida does not do statewide recounts. The rule has been...

Each county must be challenged individually, and show evidence of tampering or fraud before any recounting is approved. That's why Gore only challenged Miami Dade and two other countries. We encountered the same problem in 2004. Given the politics of Florida, I would be surprised if anything has changed in that regard.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:42 PM

7. Perhaps FL citizens could do some independent vote counting.

1. Optical Scan readers capture an anonymous image of the ballot as it is scanned. Since ballots as submitted are anonymous, ask also to see the Absentee Ballots which should be an actual paper trail. No personal information is included, so there should be no legal reason to not release images.

2. Using Verified Voting's resources, determine the possibility of getting the election results you want to investigate. Use a certified FOIA request to election officials to demand the images. They could cooperate, refuse (for true reasons, or bad ones) and/or drag it out, so to get an answer as soon as possible, go in person and take along a couple of brand-new, still-wrapped flash drives and download the images. Count the votes, placing into a spreadsheet to track them efficiently.

3. According to Verified Voting, FL supposedly has some Optical Scan machines in use.
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#year/2016/state/12
{Click on a county to get quick info on it.)
Below the FL map see the machines listed as being used.

4. To check Florida's machines for "Security Concerns" & "Important Notes" = see their vulnerabilities.
a. Click on one of those machines = go to the page or choose to work in a new tab.
b. Or go to the right-hand column on this page:
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/

5. To see Florida's 2 pages of county-by-county list of machines used, scroll down to "Search Equipment" dropdowns in lower left. Select Florida & 2016, and SEARCH.

* * * * * * *
Nothing to lose. . . because it's a sure bet the SOS of Florida would never call for a recount of this election.

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Response to Aimee in OKC (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:05 AM

11. This has been tried before. There is no star, much less Florida, that allows individuals to do this

Nobody can touch ballots unless they do so under the auspices and oversight of the relevant election officials. A FOIA request will give you a fairly informative spreadsheet, but not access to the actual ballots. Florida has pretty bizarre laws on recounts, but they're still the law. Unfortunately, this group is twelve years or more years late on the learning curve.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 02:04 AM

14. Not the actual ballots per se ...

It appears what Verified Voting has in mind is not touching the actual ballots but viewing the consolidated, anonymous images. IIRC, somewhere on their site they acknowledge the FOIA is likely to be stymied, but that, if nothing else, the attempts serve to display deep dissatisfaction with the situation.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:00 PM

5. So could a non-profit sue?

I suppose anyone can sue anyone...maybe the better question is Can a non-profit sue successful and force such a recount?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:37 PM

6. Why a non profit is suing in FL and it can't be a candidate

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:51 PM

8. Sounds like a scam

Man!!!

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:53 PM

9. I think trump won FLa by like 220,000 votes (and exit polls agree), so it seems a folly.

That will give trump legitimacy when/if a recount confirms it.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:02 AM

10. donated $25

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:10 AM

12. Florida was already certified

There won't be a recount

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Response to budkin (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:21 AM

13. So has Michigan but

looks like a recount is still quite likely.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 04:55 AM

15. Different states, different laws

Michigan doesn't permit a suit for recount until the vote is certified there. In Florida, once they certify the vote, it's done.

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