Wed Nov 30, 2016, 06:14 PM

RBInMaine (13,570 posts)

The more you call white working class voters "racist" the more you will LOSE elections.

Just because someone voted for Trump doesn't mean he or she was a "racist." In fact, labeling someone you don't even know just based on how he or she voted is so simple-minded and ridiculous that anyone who would say such a thing needs a brain transplant.

MANY people voted for Trump not because of the race politics but on ECONOMICS and/or other cultural issues beyond race. Some voted for him because they are lifelong R's so stuck with their party. Others because they perceive him as a strong leader. Others because they are fed up with the establishment and want to shake up Washington. Others because they didn't like Hillary. Others because they are sick and tired of elitists who don't respect them and because of political correctness on steroids. MANY because they are beaten down economically and Trump is a business guy who promised job creation.

Please, don't be simple-minded. People vote for a given candidate for a variety of reasons.

Want to win back MANY white rural working class voters who used to vote with us? First, LISTEN to them and RESPECT them. Next, give them CONCRETE and TANGIBLE benefits for their votes, such as infrastructure jobs, a good plan for bringing back manufacturing if even on a small scale, a good plan to ACTUALLY drain the swamp in Washington, etc.

We are supposed to be "The Party Of The People" right? Well, that means ALL the people including white working class folks. Ignore them, as we just saw, at our PERIL!

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The more you call white working class voters "racist" the more you will LOSE elections. (Original post)	RBInMaine	Nov 2016	OP
...for the next 4-8 years.	Tiggeroshii	Nov 2016	#1
Whites were 71% of the voters.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#6
Imho, yours is a losing argument. There is no guarantee that playing identity politics in	jonno99	Nov 2016	#8
Not playing identity politics. Just not constantly trying to cater to the anxieties of white people.	Tiggeroshii	Nov 2016	#11
Supporting civil rights and not throwing Democratic constutency under the bust is not identiy	Demsrule86	Dec 2016	#109
This isn't going to happen for a few decades.	Ace Rothstein	Nov 2016	#13
No.	Tiggeroshii	Nov 2016	#14
Not a few decades. It's been pretty well reported that we will become a majority minority . . .	brush	Nov 2016	#62
Do you know what a few means?	Ace Rothstein	Nov 2016	#69
Since a couple is two, I've always thought a few meant at least 4 or more	brush	Nov 2016	#73
You must really want to lose badly	jfern	Dec 2016	#82
that demographic is utterly tired of "hope" and "change"...	mike_c	Nov 2016	#2
Because obviously make America great again is all substance and no slogan?	mythology	Nov 2016	#42
you're preaching to the choir....	mike_c	Nov 2016	#47
The white working class isn't racist. It is the white working class people who voted for Trump.	Squinch	Nov 2016	#3
1000!	sheshe2	Nov 2016	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	lunamagica	Nov 2016	#59
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2016	#34
Thank you Squinch!	DemonGoddess	Nov 2016	#45
Exactly!	mcar	Nov 2016	#55
Well said! Thank you!	lunamagica	Nov 2016	#60
+1000!!!! Well said!	AgadorSparticus	Nov 2016	#68
Yes!	gollygee	Dec 2016	#89
What about the ones who voted for Obama or Sanders?	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2016	#95
If they voted for Obama and Sanders, and then voted for Trump, then clearly they voted for Trump	Squinch	Dec 2016	#115
So, they're racist fucks because they voted for the black guy...	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2016	#118
Clearly there are a lot of things you aren't fluent in.	Squinch	Dec 2016	#121
Hear, hear!	billh58	Dec 2016	#104
fucking right	ProfessorPlum	Dec 2016	#107
step one is to have democratic candidate in every contest in every election....	msongs	Nov 2016	#4
I am a white, working voter with plenty of "class" and NO ONE has called me racist.	TygrBright	Nov 2016	#5
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2016	#38
Thank you!!	DemonGoddess	Nov 2016	#46
I want to save this	mcar	Nov 2016	#57
Woohoo! Great rant. You sound like a good, oldfashioned leftist that I'd be proud to march with.	brush	Nov 2016	#64
Bravo!	radical noodle	Nov 2016	#77
+1000 n/t	billh58	Dec 2016	#105
Woo!	gollygee	Dec 2016	#117
"Not all Republicans are racists...	yallerdawg	Nov 2016	#7
I hate to break it to you...	Joe941	Dec 2016	#84
agreed.	Demsrule86	Dec 2016	#110
It's hard to not vote for the ice cream man.	TheCowsCameHome	Nov 2016	#9
Clinton would have won the white vote IF none of the "born again" ones had voted.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#10
Who is this post addressed to exactly?	Freethinker65	Nov 2016	#12
Single issue voters.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#17
Except guns are often a racial issue. Look at the NRA and the white wingers who are the biggest gun	Hoyt	Nov 2016	#24
Those guys might have been racist, but they didn't strike me that way.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#30
You should read the post immediately after yours. That's who. nt	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2016	#21
I get your point but	Freethinker65	Nov 2016	#28
Did you read DU for any length of time before joining?	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2016	#96
I have been reading DU since early Air America days...	Freethinker65	Dec 2016	#100
They voted for a racist. FACT.	boston bean	Nov 2016	#15
Stupid, feed up, want to see the world burn	NWCorona	Nov 2016	#26
I was just going to post the same thing.	frazzled	Nov 2016	#27
What about when they actually say racist things...	MrScorpio	Nov 2016	#16
We'd have to wait for the facts to come out	gollygee	Dec 2016	#116
Maybe it's not really about winning elections at this point.	jalan48	Nov 2016	#18
well they sure voted for someone who endorsed racism	treestar	Nov 2016	#19
They are NOT RACIST!	sheshe2	Nov 2016	#36
The modern D party tolerates the working class...	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2016	#20
I'm sure that several auto workers who kept working due to the bail out...	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#22
Amen Brother or Sister!	Fichefinder	Nov 2016	#33
Inequality apparently isn't healthy for maintaining a civilization!	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#39
"Provided they aren't straight, white and male."	DonCoquixote	Nov 2016	#37
Just a note	SpareribSP	Nov 2016	#74
oh I do nto deny they need help	DonCoquixote	Dec 2016	#78
Absolutely agreed.	SpareribSP	Dec 2016	#79
We're playing a game that the Republicans chose for us.	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2016	#99
I will give you the credit	DonCoquixote	Dec 2016	#102
Because it occupies airtime.	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2016	#103
true, hiowever	DonCoquixote	Dec 2016	#112
Most of the media airtime in 1984 was handwringing about how low and irresponsible the ad was.	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2016	#113
What BS. People who vote for Trump are rightfully	spooky3	Nov 2016	#40
I see that you're feeling victimized tonight. nt.	SaschaHM	Nov 2016	#48
This message was self-deleted by its author	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2016	#70
You watch the news and don't feel victimized?	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2016	#71
Cool story, guy.	LanternWaste	Dec 2016	#87
Insert eyeroll emoji here. N/t	gollygee	Dec 2016	#90
If you refer to anyone who works as "they",	Fichefinder	Nov 2016	#23
I have an excellent infrastructure idea which would benefit firefighters all over the country	meow2u3	Nov 2016	#25
I love that idea!!	Fichefinder	Nov 2016	#35
Great idea. This is the kind of grand scheme project that America used to be able to do	brush	Nov 2016	#67
Those who voted for Trump voted for someone who was openly bigoted and endorsed by the KKK.	Garrett78	Nov 2016	#29
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2016	#31
I'd rather lose elections than tolerate racism.	Coventina	Nov 2016	#41
Who is the you in your OP? And does it include you?	boston bean	Nov 2016	#43
it is not a matter of ignoring them	DonCoquixote	Nov 2016	#44
Perhaps the expectation	Skidmore	Nov 2016	#49
Those in the "white working class"	DemonGoddess	Nov 2016	#50
We won the working class. He won the white men	bravenak	Nov 2016	#51
Jimmy Carter won the majority of white rural Southern voters in 1976.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#52
That was forty years ago and shit has changed alot	bravenak	Nov 2016	#54
Do you think white people are more racist today? n/t	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#56
Same as they were, just embracing it right now because they are resurging	bravenak	Nov 2016	#63
Article about a fast change that happened between 1976 and 1980...	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2016	#61
Link?	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#80
Here ya go...	Buckeye_Democrat	Dec 2016	#83
Thanks.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#91
It was mostly about religion. Carter wore it on his sleeve in 1976.	Buckeye_Democrat	Dec 2016	#92
The "Moral Majority," founded in 1979, changed things.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#93
Yeah.	Buckeye_Democrat	Dec 2016	#94
Enough straw to build a bonfire. Nt	NCTraveler	Nov 2016	#53
+1 That's for damn sure.	fleabiscuit	Nov 2016	#75
This is particularly true, given possible developments of parties in the future	NRQ891	Nov 2016	#58
are you trying to normalize	heaven05	Nov 2016	#65
"Please, don't be simple-minded. People vote for a given candidate for a variety of reasons."	TheDebbieDee	Nov 2016	#66
All of them?	brooklynite	Dec 2016	#85
Sanders has the perfect tone in this interview on how to handle this.	Quixote1818	Nov 2016	#72
I listened to part of that and it made me so angry at Bernie I had to take an aspirin...not	Demsrule86	Dec 2016	#111
If Trump's constant spewing of hate an endorsement by the Klan	dflprincess	Nov 2016	#76
Strongly disagree with most of your post	Ell09	Dec 2016	#81
I'm seeing a consistent pattern this week on DU indicating addressing racism is worse than racism it	LanternWaste	Dec 2016	#86
Sorry, I have yet to hear a viable or logical reason . . .	HughBeaumont	Dec 2016	#88
they sure showed us!!! They proved they weren't racist, by voting for the racist, right???	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2016	#97
How about we call them liberals! Maybe then they'll vote for Democrats!!!	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2016	#98
Trump voters voted for	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2016	#101
Except economics IS a racial issue. Systemic racism prevents the benefits of our economy from	BobbyDrake	Dec 2016	#106
Have you seen the racists come out of the closet so to speak...	Demsrule86	Dec 2016	#108
i disagree, they are racist. n/t.	okieinpain	Dec 2016	#114
Here's what I do know.	BlueStater	Dec 2016	#119
they may not be pure racists	pstokely	Dec 2016	#120

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 06:17 PM

Tiggeroshii (11,088 posts)

1. ...for the next 4-8 years.

Until white voters are no longer a dominant voting block in this country. They barely made up a majority of voters in this election. They won't in the next.

The more you call white working class voters "racist" the more you will LOSE elections.

1. ...for the next 4-8 years.

6. Whites were 71% of the voters.

8. Imho, yours is a losing argument. There is no guarantee that playing identity politics in

11. Not playing identity politics. Just not constantly trying to cater to the anxieties of white people.

109. Supporting civil rights and not throwing Democratic constutency under the bust is not identiy

13. This isn't going to happen for a few decades.

14. No.

62. Not a few decades. It's been pretty well reported that we will become a majority minority . . .

69. Do you know what a few means?

73. Since a couple is two, I've always thought a few meant at least 4 or more

82. You must really want to lose badly

2. that demographic is utterly tired of "hope" and "change"...

42. Because obviously make America great again is all substance and no slogan?

47. you're preaching to the choir....

3. The white working class isn't racist. It is the white working class people who voted for Trump.

32. 1000!

45. Thank you Squinch!

55. Exactly!

60. Well said! Thank you!

68. +1000!!!! Well said!

89. Yes!

95. What about the ones who voted for Obama or Sanders?

115. If they voted for Obama and Sanders, and then voted for Trump, then clearly they voted for Trump

118. So, they're racist fucks because they voted for the black guy...

121. Clearly there are a lot of things you aren't fluent in.

104. Hear, hear!

107. fucking right

4. step one is to have democratic candidate in every contest in every election....

5. I am a white, working voter with plenty of "class" and NO ONE has called me racist.

46. Thank you!!

57. I want to save this

64. Woohoo! Great rant. You sound like a good, oldfashioned leftist that I'd be proud to march with.

77. Bravo!

105. +1000 n/t

117. Woo!

7. "Not all Republicans are racists...

84. I hate to break it to you...

110. agreed.

9. It's hard to not vote for the ice cream man.

10. Clinton would have won the white vote IF none of the "born again" ones had voted.

12. Who is this post addressed to exactly?

17. Single issue voters.

24. Except guns are often a racial issue. Look at the NRA and the white wingers who are the biggest gun

30. Those guys might have been racist, but they didn't strike me that way.

21. You should read the post immediately after yours. That's who. nt

28. I get your point but

96. Did you read DU for any length of time before joining?

100. I have been reading DU since early Air America days...

15. They voted for a racist. FACT.

26. Stupid, feed up, want to see the world burn

27. I was just going to post the same thing.

16. What about when they actually say racist things...

116. We'd have to wait for the facts to come out

18. Maybe it's not really about winning elections at this point.

19. well they sure voted for someone who endorsed racism

36. They are NOT RACIST!

20. The modern D party tolerates the working class...

22. I'm sure that several auto workers who kept working due to the bail out...

33. Amen Brother or Sister!

39. Inequality apparently isn't healthy for maintaining a civilization!

37. "Provided they aren't straight, white and male."

74. Just a note

78. oh I do nto deny they need help

79. Absolutely agreed.

99. We're playing a game that the Republicans chose for us.

102. I will give you the credit

103. Because it occupies airtime.

112. true, hiowever

113. Most of the media airtime in 1984 was handwringing about how low and irresponsible the ad was.

40. What BS. People who vote for Trump are rightfully

48. I see that you're feeling victimized tonight. nt.

71. You watch the news and don't feel victimized?

87. Cool story, guy.

90. Insert eyeroll emoji here. N/t

23. If you refer to anyone who works as "they",

25. I have an excellent infrastructure idea which would benefit firefighters all over the country

35. I love that idea!!

67. Great idea. This is the kind of grand scheme project that America used to be able to do

29. Those who voted for Trump voted for someone who was openly bigoted and endorsed by the KKK.