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babylonsister

(171,023 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:10 AM Dec 2012

Why Obama Didn't Fight for Susan Rice

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/12/14/why_obama_didnt_fight_for_susan_rice.html

Why Obama Didn't Fight for Susan Rice


First Read: "To explain why U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice pulled out of consideration for the secretary of state post, it's important to remember this: A president only gets a finite number of fights with Congress, especially in the first year of a second term (which may be the last BIG year a president can win fights with Congress). And appointing Rice as secretary of state was going to be a fight, no doubt about it. So if you're a White House with a big upcoming agenda (resolving the fiscal-cliff situation, passing comprehensive immigration reform, maybe tackling energy or education) and if you're split on the top choice on the secretary of state (our reporting indicates that Rice was never the clear-cut favorite), sometimes the path of least resistance is the smart play."
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Why Obama Didn't Fight for Susan Rice (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2012 OP
Obama didn't fight for Susan Rice for the Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #1
You have a valid point there. I see a pattern too. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #3
He's great campaigner but when push comes to shove he's not a fighter. NOVA_Dem Dec 2012 #6
It apears the case; however, he needed to get re-elected. Texin Dec 2012 #11
I think there's a big difference you miss there... JHB Dec 2012 #8
I've said it before; so, here goes again. He appears to be a believer in juajen Dec 2012 #17
+1 forestpath Dec 2012 #10
bullshit Whisp Dec 2012 #15
LOL. Another expert bloviating about what the Prez will and won't do cliffordu Dec 2012 #19
Fully agree BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #2
People from the left opposed here too, including some here on DU ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #4
I know, but that wasn't really the story here BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #7
I will not stab my President in the back MrYikes Dec 2012 #5
You mean Susan Collins? Why don't you spell out what you mean with "starts with a B?" CTyankee Dec 2012 #13
I apologize, I meant her last name starts with a B. MrYikes Dec 2012 #14
Yep. Saving that gun powder, again. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #9
The easier explanation: She wasn't formally nominated. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #12
Yeah, people just love to jump to conclusions Cha Dec 2012 #16
How do you know he didn't??? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Dec 2012 #20
Just wondering... would you trade Susan Rice for a ban on assault weapons?... if only... world wide wally Dec 2012 #21
Somehow, I doubt we will get either. Particularly if proposed by this President. politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2012 #22

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
1. Obama didn't fight for Susan Rice for the
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:18 AM
Dec 2012

exact same reason he didn't fight for Van Jones or Shirley Sherrod and the same reason he'll cut Medicare and Social Security....when push comes to shove this is not a guy with whom I'd want to share a fox hole.

Texin

(2,588 posts)
11. It apears the case; however, he needed to get re-elected.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
Dec 2012

I'm of the opinion that he would have come off as pugilistic and it would have made a huge number of voters (the Independents and blue-dogs, specifically) turn against him if he'd taken every fight to Defcon three every time. I do think he'll be more resolute than he's been in the past. The rest of the Dems in the House and Senate have a say in what's agreed to or not. I am not convinced in the least that Rice was his first choice in this, but he couldn't just come right out and say that. It's clear that the rethugs were trying to put him over a barrel and cause him embarrassment, but I think the message they were sending was more about Benghazi than Rice anyway. The Issas of the House would love nothing better than to find one teeny tiny little thing out of whack that they could use to impeach him. Couple that with the fact that they were slavering about that seat Brown lost in MA, and they just couldn't help themselves. I think they hoped that by forcing Obama's hand away from Rice and instead onto someone like Kerry (who probably would be better suited to the role and wants it according to reports), they would be able to get their hands back on that lost Senate seat that's as precious as gold to them these days. It'd be a hoot if Obama chooses someone who isn't currently serving in elected office right now and calls their bluff.

JHB

(37,149 posts)
8. I think there's a big difference you miss there...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:43 AM
Dec 2012

Obama's administration was (probably still is) almost allergic to anything appearing "radical left" (not that it has stopped the delusional Right from believing he is). Here on DU we've seen some of the rancor that stance produced on our side.

Van Jones was ok... until the "communist" comment surfaced. It didn't matter how dated it was, it projected the wrong image.

The highly (and fraudlently) edited video that brought Shirley Sherrod to national attention made her look like a radical zealot and bigot, and she was dropped like a hot potato because she was a "nobody" who was making them look bad... until it was shown to be a complete lie.

Both of them were dropped because of appearances: the Administration did not want even the appearance of being "radicals" or supporting what Washington insiders consider radical.

Rice is a different matter: there's no cloud of "radical activist" coloring this discussion, it's a purely political fight. One that now gets shifted to a different place.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
17. I've said it before; so, here goes again. He appears to be a believer in
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:09 PM
Dec 2012

the "The Golden Mean." Aristotle is a good read. He does believe in being President of all the people except for radicals, right or left. It got him reelected. Independents and conservative women who believe in control over their own bodies, etc., rallied round, as did latinos. He will pick his fights carefully, but, overall, I believe he will be a good and memorable President. I am a progressive, but I do like this man, even though I thought I would not.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
19. LOL. Another expert bloviating about what the Prez will and won't do
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:30 AM
Dec 2012

Seen a LOT of prognosticators run out of breath here.

Your take on the Prez is one I'm going to enjoy revisiting pretty soon.

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
2. Fully agree
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:21 AM
Dec 2012

It's unfortunate, but the GOP's strategy of constant assault and feigned aggrievement was the winner here. Susan Rice for SoS wasn't worth the bloodshed. The problem for them is Obama didn't play into their hands and is now freed up to play hardball on more important matters, which I hope he does, because his opponents have the habit of feeling emboldened for the wrong reasons.

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
7. I know, but that wasn't really the story here
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:37 AM
Dec 2012

Even though it would certainly have added to the "why am I volunteering for this pain" factor for Obama.

MrYikes

(720 posts)
5. I will not stab my President in the back
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:32 AM
Dec 2012

I assume he has his own ideas, methods and the ability to accomplish them.
But I will be happy to forget to send flowers to mccain, graham for their funerals.
Who is the lady Senator that dealt the final blow to Rice? Starts with a B. I don't want to forget her.

MrYikes

(720 posts)
14. I apologize, I meant her last name starts with a B.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
Dec 2012

she was the moderate republican. I tried to google it but I'm not very good with that.

Cha

(296,680 posts)
16. Yeah, people just love to jump to conclusions
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012

about President Obama when they don't know jack shit about what's really happening.

Love having PBO in our National Foxhole, The White House.

Thanks babylonsistah~

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
22. Somehow, I doubt we will get either. Particularly if proposed by this President.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:38 AM
Dec 2012

I don't believe that President Obama will lead any charge to ban assault weapons. After all, the loony right has been claiming that Obama is coming for your guns since he took office and this would just play into that loony claim. If we are to get any type of controls on guns it will have to come from the Congress and be a bipartisian effort.

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