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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:51 PM Nov 2016

We didn't sell.

We had by far the better product, both in our candidate and our platform. We lost because we thought we were in an idealized election when we were, in fact, in a cutthroat competitive sale.

In an idealized election, a group of informed, rational, fair, well-meaning, virtuous adults meet to vote on what is better for the future of the country, themselves, and their fellow Americans. So, yeah, someday we should strive to have an election like that. In the meantime, we should learn to sell.

What we were in was a cutthroat sales competition. It was, in fact, more of a sales mugging. The reasons we lost narrowly when we should have had a landslide are many. I'll try to list them. If you don't like them, fine. None of them have anything to do with coalitions of Steinbeckian working class sweeties being let down by corporatist plants. That would make a profitable (but not a good) movie, of course.

Republican abuse of power. The Benghazi Committee was an act of political criminality.

ISIS got what they wanted. They did for Muslims what "Jaws" did for sharks. Republicans assisted ISIS in the same way their leadership example George W. Bush assisted Al Qaeda, by fanning hysteria.

Putin got what he wanted, assisted by WikiLeaks. Republicans also assisted. Hackers weren't bad guys.

Colin Kaepernick created and starred in Republican "Willie Horton" ads which he broadcast during NFL games. Many other athletes at all levels did their own Republican ads, following Kaepernick's lead.

Clinton blew it with the "deplorables" comment, although it started out promising. She shouldn't have said it, but once she said it, she should have used it to get a bunch of free air time. Kellyanne Conway got that game; Clinton didn't.

Clinton kept saying things to try to get an angry country into some kind of group hug. That's great for the people who want to do a group hug. But you have to account for people who don't want to hug the other people on the team but still want to play for the team. A white, working class, rural worker with a family to feed would agree with a black, working class, urban BLMer with a family to feed on a $12 minimum wage or health insurance. They may not want to hug in many cases. Don't try to make them.

Trump is an effective salesman. He would obviously lose a traditional election, so he turned the election into something he could win, a sale. Lying is bad in an election. In a sale, it's standard practice. At least in a Trump sale.

Sanders divided the team. He started out strong, but he drifted into evil. His innuendo on Clinton's Wall Street speeches validated the Republicans' preposterous comic book portrayal of Clinton as corrupt. His portrayal of the Democratic primary process as rigged played into Trump's hands.

Republicans successfully suppressed the Democratic vote by eliminating polling places, purging voter roles, and pushing voter ID.

Democratic voters successfully suppressed the Democratic vote through apathy, laziness, unawareness of the stakes, and capitulation to discouragement and depression. Voting is not something one needs to be persuaded to do. Voting is the default. The burden of persuasion is on the non-voting argument. Having this backwards is the main reason we have so many Republicans, including Trump in offices they aren't fit to hold.

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Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Agree!
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 05:54 PM
Nov 2016

To much time spent on Trumps failings and not enough time spent on how we would really help the disfranchised.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
2. More blame the Democratic Party bullshit.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:16 PM
Nov 2016

Stop it. The blame rests entirely with the media.

No sane individual should give a shit about the entitled white dudes who voted for Trump. You can't deal with them.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
3. no the white working class that voted trump HATES BLM
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:32 PM
Nov 2016

Thst get filled with rage at seeing black people speak out against injustice.

They love the inherited wealthy new york asshole more and identify with him because they both agree on hatred of minorities.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
4. I think one reason we lost is because we got swiftboated by Trump, & the media cultivated his lies
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:33 PM
Nov 2016

You would think after what the right wing did to John Kerry that we would be better at fighting back against outrageous lies against our candidates. But no, we're still taking the high road, ignoring all the lies, thinking that the voters are smart enough to tell who's telling the truth and who isn't. Obviously they are not smart enough.

Example: Trump calling Hillary "Crooked Hillary" until it stuck. Our campaign's strategy seemed to be to ignore the "crooked" moniker in order to bring less attention to it. Haha, we see where that got us. What they should have done is fired back at Trump with a moniker worse than "Crooked Hillary" and beat him at his own game. Anything that he said about our candidate, we should have given back to him, only ten times over. By ignoring the insults and lies, many of the undecideds and the stupids either believed his lies or they perceived us to be on the weak side.

When the media does virtually nothing to show that Trump is the biggest lying asshole on the planet, then we really have to figure out a way to get tougher on our own and fight fire with fire. It's unfortunate that it has come down to this, but the media is so incredibly pathetic, corrupt, and self-serving that we should never ever rely on the media to stand up against such vicious lies because they just won't do it. We are going to have to handle that aspect ourselves without the media's help. I don't think we fought back against Trump's lies and the rightwing's lies well at all. It was like he was given a free pass to lie at will throughout the entire campaign.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
5. Wasn't there a report that there was more reporting on Clinton emails than all other issues combined
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:44 PM
Nov 2016

... combined?

Isn't that more in play here?

Dems weren't perfect but we had an uphill battle no?

tia

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