2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHere is the Newsweek story we have been waiting for
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.htmlChasstev365
(5,191 posts)NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
piechartking
(617 posts)Still, hope this ain't the oppo dump.
Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)There's got to be something yet to come? I sure hope so.
Dadgumit
(20 posts)hypocritically attacking Hillary for the same thing would not be meaty enough for the MSM to air. Let's hope they air it anyway!
Tom Rivers
(459 posts)the same way republicans do with clintons emails. fight fire with fire. every dem talker, be they an elected official, strategist, or host of some kind needs to bring this up any time they are invited on to talk about hillary's emails (well, huma and weiner's emails). say yes, but if we want transparency why did donald trump in many of his businesses delete vital emails relating to business interests? documents that courts wanted to look at? is it because it shows more business failings that he was ashamed of, or is it something more serious like alleged business dealings with the russian goverment and mafia?
we can't fumble around the way dems usually do on issues of weakness. karl rove is a deplorable man but he was brilliant with the strategy of attack where you're weak instead of running from it (see gwb's service record vs. john kerry's). dems need to nuke trump on this and blur the line so much on the emails that middle of the road voters get more confused than they already are and it blunts this as a potential problem for hillary. put trump on the defensive.
Tom Rivers
(459 posts)wonder if any those emails and documents that were destroyed were done so because they revealed a close working relationship between trump and a certain foreign government?
things that make you go HMMMMMM?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)what he's hiding.
Cha
(297,143 posts)http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html
trump's a ****** from way back.
Not bad.. Mahalo, sazemisery
sazemisery
(2,608 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)won't be allowed to continue the same way! At some point the judicial system has to crack down on this. And this asshat would be appointing judges as POTUS! RICH!
Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)no matter how innocent looking the link many of us would rather a little more information before clicking through.
Thank you
Denzil_DC
(7,232 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Here's a small excerpt from the Newsweek article:
Over the course of decades, Donald Trumps companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tacticsexposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court caseshave enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggledsometimes in vainto obtain records.
This behavior is of particular import given Trumps frequent condemnations of Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent, for having deleted more than 30,000 emails from a server she used during her time as secretary of state. While Clinton and her lawyers have said all of those emails were personal, Trump has suggested repeatedly on the campaign trail that they were government documents Clinton was trying to hide and that destroying them constituted a crime. The allegationwhich the FBI concluded was not supported by any evidenceis a crowd-pleaser at Trump rallies, often greeted by supporters chanting, Lock her up!
TRUMPS USE OF DECEPTION and untruthful affidavits, as well as the hiding or improper destruction of documents, dates back to at least 1973, when the Republican nominee, his father and their real estate company battled the federal government over civil charges that they refused to rent apartments to African-Americans. The Trump strategy was simple: deny, impede and delay, while destroying documents the court had ordered them to hand over. Shortly after the government filed its case in October, Trump attacked: He falsely declared to reporters that the feds had no evidence he and his father discriminated against minorities, but instead were attempting to force them to lease to welfare recipients who couldnt pay their rent.
The familys attempts to slow down the federal case were at times nonsensical. Trump submitted an affidavit contending that the government had engaged in some unspecified wrongdoing by releasing statements to the press on the day it brought the case without first having any formal communications with him; he contended that hed learned of the complaint only while listening to his car radio that morning. But Trumps sworn statement was a lie. Court records show that the government had filed its complaint at 10 a.m. and phoned him almost immediately afterward. The government later notified the media with a press release.
More here: http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)Tom Rivers
(459 posts)so tired of the dem talkers and dem social media not doing their job and forcing the lazy msm to cover a story. if it isn't an issue, MAKE it an issue the same way trump does with all of his insane rants. keep hammering it and hammering it and hammering it until it becomes an issue. take a page out of their book. cover them in the muck of an email scandal, create innuendo about what trump may have been hiding and make them defend their actions, make them squirm, make deleted emails a net neutral issue.
this week we all need to be sharks in the vein of james carville, no time for any soft dem B.S.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)or, constantly questioned by the hosts about Hillary and Anthony Weiner's email, it's difficult. And, numerous studies have confirmed that news shows have a distinct Republican bias in them - when a Democrat is on a news show, there is almost always a Republican on there to provide a voice of opposition. If there is one guest on a news or talking head show, it's almost always a Republican.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)what was in the emails, as if that was more important than Comey politicizing the FBI, that Comey was so vague and invited unfounded speculation, that Comey violated the Hatch Act, that Comey would not comment on the investigation of tRump's ties to Russia, etc.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Tom Rivers
(459 posts)if dems actually have the guts to pounce on it and make it a story. use it to counter all the trump and republican b.s.-- "fine, you wanna go there on emails? what was trump hiding when his company destroyed documents that courts requested? business failures? mafia connections? russian connections? something worse? something not that bad? we'll never know thanks to trumps secretive practices!"
karl rove tactic, attack where you're perceived to be weak and use the innuendo game against them.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)Seems relatively anticlimactic, and OLD. Everyone already knew that he is a cheat and a liar, and doesn't give one fuck about what the law or anyone says. I will be real surprised if this makes the least bit of difference in media coverage or the election.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)The main problem is the media, who will act like you are... old news, so what. Whereas if they really ran with it, it could make some impression.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)because I DO think it's important. It's that I think the media will gloss over it and it will get little coverage. I was hoping for something that would smack them in the damn face and make them act like journalists.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)There's enough crap on him to kill any candidate 1,000x over.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)Russia/Putin? Tax returns leaked? You're right, though, the info we have on him would have put anyone else away.
berksdem
(595 posts)Definitely not what I was hoping for and this will go nowhere.... Sadly.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)we know enough crap on him 1,000x over.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)IF it does--as greatly simplified versions that don't require much ability to concentrate. Of course. So we wait to see if TV serves short-attention-span versions up for lazy infotainment.
After all, most people not only do not like to read, but probably half of all adults are such poor readers that getting through a Newsweek article is anything from unpleasantly like work to very difficult.
So, we'll see how this plays out.
berksdem
(595 posts)Unless this is covered by the MSM and on TV I don't believe this will get any traction. This man has no morals and his followers are nearly just as bad.. he truly is the Teflon Don when it come to us deplorable base.
At this point in the election I am not expecting any surprises. His followers are with him no matter what comes out...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump's trick of showing up at invitation-only events for charities he gave NOTHING to. Apparently he's done this a number of times to get himself portrayed as a philanthropist by the media.
But he doesn't necessarily just show up for the glam stroll up the red carpet while cameras flash. The story being described when I had to leave was of him marching up onto a podium out of nowhere and seating himself, displacing the real donor that seat was for.
If he weren't mentally disordered I'd give him points for balls.
The man is a disgusting human being.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)In greatly simplified form.
I'm glad at least that the immovable pro-dumpf creeps are a small, fairly known quantity.
The people who won't vote for anus-mouth won't suddenly switch, except for total scumbags like chaffetz. (Whom I know nothing about--just read he was against dumpf and suddenly turned just before the comey letter went to the pukes.)
berksdem
(595 posts)Could not agree more!
You made my day with the "anus mouth" comment!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)It makes my day, knowing I made your day!
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)berksdem
(595 posts)What exactly is this story going to do in terms of people voting for him?
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)Those who were voting for him will do so...maybe a few GOP will come home...but it is still way less than what Romney had, and Romney lost decisively.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)anyone stupid enough to even consider voting for him has not been someone swayed by facts
berksdem
(595 posts)But to the non educated public the HRC emails IMO will be the bigger story which truly makes me nervous. I am not the type that believes this will be a landslide by any stretch.
The thought if this man in the WH truly terrifies me. No matter what comes out regarding Trump I believe his followers will brush it off.
Call it pre election jitters...
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)all across the nation. Not bad in my opinion.
allan01
(1,950 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)While the info might be damaging to some other candidate at another time, this just serves to reinforce what is already known: Trump's a dishonest, dirty, autocratic businessman, and a person of lousy character who shouldn't be allowed to even tour the White House, let alone hold any public office. The last paragraph of the article sums it up:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html%3famp=1?client=safari
...THIS REVIEW OF TRUMPS many decades of abusing the judicial system, ignoring judges, disregarding rules, destroying documents and lying about it is not simply a sordid history lesson. Rather, it helps explain his behavior since he declared his candidacy. He promised to turn over his tax returns and his health recordsjust as he promised to comply with document discovery requirements in so many lawsuitsthen reneged. As a result, he has left a sparse evidentiary trail that can be used to assess his wealth, his qualifications for the presidency or even his fitness. Should voters choose him to be the next U.S. president, he will enter the Oval Office as a mystery, a man who has repeatedly flouted the rules. He has solemnly told the country to trust him while refusing to produce any records to prove whether he speaks the truth or has utter contempt for it.
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Kablooie
(18,625 posts)They've been salivating for a dishonest, petty shyster for years and they are ecstatic to have one now.
sinkingfeeling
(51,445 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)And a Congressman today said they have asked the FBI to look into Trump's connection to Russia through Manafort, and there has been zero response.
I'm thinking this election is rigged, all right. Rigged by Republican far right wingers.
Botany
(70,490 posts)THIS REVIEW OF TRUMPS many decades of abusing the judicial system, ignoring judges, disregarding rules, destroying documents and lying about it is not simply a sordid history lesson. Rather, it helps explain his behavior since he declared his candidacy. He promised to turn over his tax returns and his health recordsjust as he promised to comply with document discovery requirements in so many lawsuitsthen reneged. As a result, he has left a sparse evidentiary trail that can be used to assess his wealth, his qualifications for the presidency or even his fitness. Should voters choose him to be the next U.S. president, he will enter the Oval Office as a mystery, a man who has repeatedly flouted the rules. He has solemnly told the country to trust him while refusing to produce any records to prove whether he speaks the truth or has utter contempt for it.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)...which seems to be the core value of Don's draw.
I was worried for a minute after seeing the link to article on another DU thread went to the Europe.newsweek. Newsweek has before left Americans with a separate cover story. Usually protecting Republicans.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Yes, I know Trump is a piece of garbage, but this isn't going to be much of a big deal in this election cycle IMO.
I hope at least our side runs with it to show the hypocrisy of DJT, but I don't expect it to change anybody's mind.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)He will most likely do this in his pay to play cases, the tRump Univ cases and his rape cases.
avebury
(10,952 posts)have been any emails between the Trump campaign and Comney? If so, have they been destroyed?
mainer
(12,022 posts)These things should land Trump executives in jail. Lying in affidavits. Destruction of evidence. Far worse than Clinton's emails.
polynomial
(750 posts)In this article law is not just abused Trump was in contempt which draws a felony via criminal tampering. Destroying evidence is different than loosing evidence.
Trump bugles taps with his Educational University milieu, yet now many young students are considering the aggregate approach through the Internet, building talent and skill other than just the diploma.
The American University System is loaded with bias, and
liable unaccountable ethics or integrity, and our political people want to make it free for all Americans. That is a unique sense of sanguine social perversion to let Trump in his slathering contempt of Justice.
Trump says he will do some great things!
No not magna cum laude, meaning "with great honor" No, more of the same in deception, rather summa cum laude, meaning "with highest honor" of social corruption.
America now has a majority balance of college educated that screw the citizen for selfie service aversive pledges in over priced electro-electronic communications. Rampant free speech is money. Federal Reserve special Banking services,
Bailout bonus, and tax deduction carry overs for decades.
So, to make things work better cut the American Social Security. That is a decay formula that not only lacks imagination, it is prosaic extinction. The formula is increase Social Security, likely to sustain an economic golden age unparalleled in history. Sheesh even the rich would get richer
The fools we have in politics are incredible.
CarrieLynne
(497 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Nothing to see here folks. The media has a "horse race" to attend to. The only reason why we even have a STFU Donny candidate in the first place is because of the media. They love this guy - he brings eyeballs to the TV machines. He could tell a racist joke the last week of the campaign out loud at a rally and nothing would come of it. Meanwhile, Hillary didn't pay her dry cleaning bill for two months back in 2003!!! Take it away tweety!