2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum‘I Think He’s a Very Dangerous Man for the Next Three or Four Weeks’ - Trump biographer
From Politico this morning:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-biographers-214350
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In a conference call on Monday with Barrett, Blair, DAntonio and OBrien, the biographers were unanimous in their assessment of what we are seeing: They are not surprised. Trump is who they thought he was. This, they said, is not a show. It is not an act. This is the man they wrote about. In 1992. In 1993. In 1999. In 2005. In 2015. This is a man who has been one of the most famous people in America for going on 40 years. Only now, though, are many people, finally, really, getting to know Donald John Trump.
He is, the biographers said, profoundly narcissistic, willing to go to lengths weve never seen before in order to satisfy his egoand a very dangerous man for the next three or four weeks. And after that? This time, its going to be a straight‑out loss on the biggest stage hes ever been on, one biographer predicted. And yet: As long as hes remembered, maybe it wont matter to him.
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DAntonio: Well, dont you think this is a kind of thuggery, that this is a guy who is playing to a mob when he talks about how he can say these things, because he goes before crowds and theyre out for blood, and their anger and rage is the justification he has for saying these thuggish things? And now hes going to plunge the whole country into an authoritarian dynamic because the mob is telling him to do so? This is beyond shocking, and it makes you think that he has no frame of reference other than himself, that the country doesnt matter, the peace doesnt matter. Hillary Clintons physical survival doesnt matter to him. You know, hes going to take it all down, if hes going to lose.
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This is a bombshell interview with those biographers. Lots of insights into his mindset and behavior here, many of them terrifynig,
Just edited to add the link above. Apologies for leaving that out earlier -- I shouldn't try posting before I've finished my first cup of coffee, I guess...
randome
(34,845 posts)I agree with D'Antonio, however: Trump will have no choice -ego-wise- than to accept his loss with the caveat that he "has changed politics forever" or some nonsense like that. He will still be a winner inside his head.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)He will lose the election, claim that the system is rigged and the election was stolen, start the TNN with Hannity, Alex Jones, Roger Ailes, and the staff from Breitbart (Bannon)... and try to make real billions (so he can pay off his creditors)
They will do two things... continue with the conspiracy theories about everything and try to start a real honest to god armed revolution.
You think what they tried to do with Obama was bad, wait until President Hilary shows up in some city or county where the local police chief or sheriff along with an insane local prosecutor tries to arrest the sitting President for some imagined crimes
mreilly
(2,120 posts)... to be perfectly honest, any of these assholes who grabs guns and races to Washington D.C. to "take our country back" gets exactly what's coming to them. If they get mowed down in the streets by the police and military I will waste one moment of my life grieving them. "Good. Bye-bye, assholes!" will be my response.
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)or the military?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)on what Trump is doing, why, and where this "red in tooth and claw" leader and his mob are likely to go.
So I think that what is really dangerous is, ... the primary button that he can push is racism. Thats been the undercurrent of the campaign throughout. Believe it or not, you can be more explicit about it than he has been so far,... and where he takes them is really quite threatening.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-biographers-214350#ixzz4Ms5siXyJ
Thrill
(19,178 posts)And hateful from this point on
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)All he has to do is knock out one of those Republicans with some new 'leaked' file and they'll all fall back in line.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:50 PM - Edit history (1)
I've not exactly been hiding under a rock, but he's not been on my radar too much since I worked at a Waldenbooks starting in 1985 and had to see his smarmy face on the cover of "Art of the Deal." Even back then he somehow gave me the creeps. I hated having to even touch that book and now know why.
But honestly, when they brought out Melania I had no idea he was married or to whom. I had it in my brain that the first Mrs. Trump was gone, but somehow completely missed Marla and #3.
I knew he made a reality tv show, but couldn't have told you the correct name. Just not my taste in entertainment.
I don't pay the slightest bit of attention to beauty pageants and didn't even know he'd owned them.
My total knowledge of Donald Trump before he ran for president was essentially:
* Had a book back in the 80s I wasn't interested in reading.
* Business guy who goes bankrupt and somehow bounces back.
* Reality television host friends had mentioned in passing as "mean" and "obnoxious."
That's pretty much it. Never saw him as celebrity material. Just assumed he was a shitty business man who had to turn to television to make a buck.
mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)But the real thing that Im taking away is that hes actually been telling us the truth about himself all along, and that this is not a character hes been playing. Its the real Trump. And I think a lot of times, people have wasted lots of effort trying to figure out: Is he serious, does he really mean this, is this all just one big joke? And I dont think its a big joke. I think that he really is this horrible creature, and he has no regard for anything but himself, and hes willing to go to lengths weve never seen before in order to satisfy his ego. And now we know.
I think weve learned that the leadership of the GOP lacks courage, that their partys internal division triumphed over any adherence to conservative values, classic conservative values, and that the leadership of that party waited until the eleventh hour to distance itself from Trump and still hasnt completely, that theres a complete lack of political courage in this country.
The entire Trump candidacy has been extremely destructive to this country.