Re-watching the debate today, and Tim Kaine comes off rather well on second glance.

[Music Man]

In fact, I keep hearing about how Tim Kaine's weakest segments were at the beginning. Apparently nervous, interrupting, and talking too fast. In retrospect, some of his finest work was at the beginning during the discussions about Donald Trump's taxes at the beginning, and was very dignified and not interested in bullshit.

Pence was smooth in the sense that an used car salesman is smooth. Chris Cillizza wrote that Pence showed poise by speaking into the camera, demonstrating that he understood the real audience was the national audience. But re-watching it, he just comes across as fake doing this and other techniques like the knowing smile and head tilt when Kaine was speaking. He's a bullshit artist.

I listened to some of the debate on the radio and the last half hour on TV, and Kaine's performance initially hit my gut wrong. Lukewarm was maybe the way I would have described him, and I kept hating his reliance on some canned lines (such as the "do we want a You're Hired president, or a You're Fired president?&quot . But I've found re-watching clips to show a man who was ready to get down to brass tacks.

The Clinton team knows how these debates work. Tim Kaine had one mission: To take it to Donald Trump, and he did so. Period. Mike Pence won the debate. But TRUMP-Pence failed miserably.

[book_worm]

1. I thought he did well on first glance.

[OhZone]

2. I did too!

I still don't get the RUSH to declare Pence the winner by some DU'ers.

Oh well.

[katmondoo]

3. I went to bed happy with Tim Kaine

[tonyt53]

4. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, make Pence defend Trump, run from him or lie.

Pence did some of all three, and especially the lying. The Clinton/Kaine campaign knew that when the fact checkers were finally done, that Pence would end up looking like an idiot, liar or both. On that measure, I give the win to Kaine.

[Coyotl]

5. I agree, he really did well. I watched parts twice to capture quotes, and was impressed

when I saw parts multiple times. He is really intelligent. Pence is more a trained mind, lost without a script. Kaine can function without a script and has a handle on a massive amount of data. Pence had talking points, not thinking points.

[Chasstev365]

6. I agree!

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. Hardly anyone watched it the first time

[ColemanMaskell]

8. You saw the new advert, right? VP debate highlights turned into a campaign commercial. Here's link

Here is the link (others have posted it already here as a stand-alone post).

VP debate excerpts (with fact-check Trump-quote scenes)
-- Mike Pence Couldn’t defend Trump

[racism_sucks]

9. He did fine

Saying he 'lost' is overreaction unless your requirement for declaring him victorious was a complete and utter domination like the last debate.

[a kennedy]

10. He speaks fluent Spanish......plays the harmonica in blues and rock.

He's the secret weapon......people will find out what a great man he is.

[blue cat]

11. On the Tweety show after the debate

The talking heads agreed that people who don't follow politics would not understand what was said but forgot about people like us who do follow politics. I watched it alone and could not sit still because I could plainly tell that my team was kicking ass royally.