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Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:23 PM

somebody help me on Ohio

I hear that it's not a battleground state anymore and that it is older and whiter. I checked the census and the white only population has stayed the same or dropped a % depending on how you look at it . All the other races have slightly increased. Also take into account this state is the closest race out there. I just don't understand it not being a battleground or worth giving up on......I also see non stop Clinton ads but no trump

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Reply somebody help me on Ohio (Original post)
tribe-time Sep 2016 OP
Chasing Dreams Sep 2016 #1
Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #2
bettyellen Sep 2016 #3
doc03 Sep 2016 #4
SamKnause Sep 2016 #9
s-cubed Oct 2016 #18
LenaBaby61 Oct 2016 #12
SamKnause Sep 2016 #5
tribe-time Sep 2016 #7
SamKnause Sep 2016 #11
Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2016 #6
tribe-time Sep 2016 #8
Hortensis Oct 2016 #14
Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #16
Hortensis Oct 2016 #19
spiderpig Sep 2016 #10
Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #13
BSdetect Oct 2016 #15
Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #17

Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:30 PM

1. It's a feint

Campaign deception. Unknown sources and background chatter...just messing with Trump's campaign.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:30 PM

2. Strategically...

there are about 15 ways Clinton can win without Ohio. Probably none for Trump.

They're still fighting in Ohio, maybe not as hard as some would like, but they're still in play.

I'm not sure I trust all of the polling regarding Ohio, anyway.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:36 PM

3. Apparently the vote there is polling a bit more sexist than it did racist.

 

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:39 PM

4. It is hard to believe since Obama's auto bailout saved thousands of

jobs. I live in eastern Ohio along the Ohio river racism is the biggest part of it I think. Eight years ago Ted Strickland was the most
popular governor in then US. Then came the Bush recession and we lost thousands of jobs and were in debt. The state turned their back on Strickland and elected Kasich. Kasich and the Republicans now take credit for the Obama recovery. So the Kochs have pumped millions into the state to trash Strickland and Democrats and have convinced enough people the Republicans have turned the economy around. People have a short memory.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:47 PM

9. I live in Seaman, Ohio.

This state is filled with Fox 'News' viewers, evangelicals,
and gun worshipers.

They have been lied to for so long by the Republican party

the Tea Party, and Fox 'News' they no longer recognize the truth.

I am 60 miles east of Cincinnati.

I have lived 53 of my 63 years in this state.

Where are you located.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:41 AM

18. I grew up in Piqua, north of Cincy. I moved away for collage.

My dad and mom were Eisenhower Republicans. He started a successful small business.

It was a pretty homogenous white area, some African Americans. The area has been hit pretty hard by Resganomics and Republican policies. Unfortunately, like Kansas, people vote against their own self interest.

Also, Ohio has one of the lower rates of college educated people. Since Cleveland and Columbus are the opposite, many of those less educated people are in that part of Ohio, which is more like Kentucky. Obama won by mobilizing a coalition that defeated that part of the state. I hope Hillary can do the same.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 03:31 AM

12. My neighbor/friend...

Whose 56, and an educator who has 1st/2nd cousins/Aunts/Uncles who live in Ohio, and she tells me that most are all racist GOP deplorables, close-minded, brainwashed Alex Jones/Faux Noose Watcher types and that they really hate anyone whose non-white, and that even the younger cousins in their 20's and 30's think that Pres. Obama is a Muslim/terrorist/gay, Michelle is a male and that Blacks/Hispanics ALL are on welfare & having child after child One set of these cousins parents now deceased were Red's season ticket holders for many ears and that were very friendly with Marge Schott/husband and used to have dinner with them. I joked with her and said oh, they're KKK Yoohoos? She told me that most are educated, have good jobs, live in very nice houses with their wives/children, and that the men and some of the women cousins are hunters who own MANY rifles/fire arms, and that they wouldn't be caught dead sitting on their front porch in Lazy Boy with a jug of something and whittling. She said her first family reunion in 25 years last Summer was her last, and that she won't be seeing them again because the racism/ignorance is too toxic and depressing for her. Racism is everywhere, but to avoid the toxicity of it in one's family--it's a must.

By the way, she's in an interracial marriage (African-American husband/no kids together but a 10 year old daughter from his marriage. He was widowed several years ago. I asked her if they asked about her husband She said yes, but she gave few details about him--only that he's a Mathematics Professor at a nearby Jr. College. Her daughter is an energetic and precious 10 yr old and hubby's as nice as can be), and she didn't even chance taking HIM to the family reunion. I told her, if she couldn't take her husband/daughter, why bother going? She said exactly. She said she has a few relatives there who aren't racist, but told her that they have to go along to get along. Sad, but she says if as adults they can't stand up for what's right then she doesn't want to be with them either. She said maybe one day she'll confront the whole lot about their racism, but now was not the time for it.

She's so thankful to her late parents for not being racist/prejudiced and for moving her and her younger brothers to So. California in the early 1970's. I feel her. Living in an extremely diverse place like we do here in So. Cal, makes one's life richer and much more enjoyable.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:39 PM

5. I live in Ohio.

The ads for Hillary have been running a long time.

The ads for Trump have been running a long time.



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Response to SamKnause (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:41 PM

7. what part of ohio im in cleveland and no trump ads

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Response to tribe-time (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:51 PM

11. Seaman.

60 miles east of Cincinnati.

The ads for Trump started before the ads for Hillary.

The super pacs are paying for the Trump ads.

Most ads for Trump don't have the disclaimer, I am

Donald Trump and I approve this ad.

The majority of Hillary ads do have the disclaimer.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:40 PM

6. It MIGHT be older. I don't think it's whiter.

Based on my grocery store visits around here, it seems like the bulk of the population is OLD. I've lived here my whole life, and grocery stores weren't so consistently filled with old people in the past. It's either that or the young folks nowadays get their food in other ways!

Old people seem more likely to vote, and many of them seem to develop "GOP dementia" with age too.

I still think Hillary will win Ohio, but time will tell.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:42 PM

8. thats what i see it's older that's it

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Response to tribe-time (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:35 AM

14. Reportedly dropping below national average in education

also. Older and a bit less educated (naturally enough in an older population) but significantly less diverse, so that voting is just not the bellweather it was.

If I were Ohioan, I'd really regret the relative drop-off in attention -- except for the phone banks. In the past I've been on the caller end bothering people who were getting them all day long for weeks. One election I was assigned to Ohio exclusively.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:23 AM

16. Ohio had a higher percentage of college grads compared to California in 2010...

... and several other blue states, according to the Dept. of Education:
http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/new-state-state-college-attainment-numbers-show-progress-toward-2020-goal

How many of them stay in Ohio? Not sure. I probably would have accepted a job offer at Los Alamos years ago if I wasn't so concerned about the health and care of my elderly parents.

Ohio isn't the industrial power it used to be, and there's several people here that blame trade deals... something that Trump emphasized very early in his campaign. I have faith that some Trump supporters here will realize that he's a dangerous ignoramus and get flipped.

Ohio doesn't seem to have a significant Latino presence, but it seems pretty diverse (similar to national averages) in other ways.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:21 AM

19. I'm just reporting a NY Times article, Buckeye, itself

reporting findings from studies. Your own observations as an Ohioan are interesting.

But everyone's blaming trade deals for everything. It's too easy, facile, to blame them (and of course, for some people all those foreigners) for all the disappearing jobs. That's why so many do.

It takes intelligence and good character to recognize and admit that far more jobs disappeared because advances in technology made them unnecessary, to admit that many jobs that would disappear were identified years before they did, and to admit that it was each person's responsibility to retrain himself for one of the many new jobs being developed.

Understandably, large numbers of people remained ignorant and/or just didn't do what they needed to to take care of themselves. Given the huge tidal wave of change bearing down, we really did need government to step in and provide guidance and assistance to get many of them moving, as well as financial incentives to business and colleges to develop and provide training. Unfortunately, in an era of conservative dominance that, of course, did not happen.

But none of that has anything to do with trade deals. They should be supported for the good they do us and opposed for the bad they cause, but not for everything else. That latter is Point Stupid where irresponsible malcontents from both the left and right meet. And no excuses for them.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:48 PM

10. I was puzzled about that too when Rachel brought it up.

When I grew up in Ohio in the Dark Ages, my hometown was so Caucasian that an African-American man was questioned by police for standing on a street corner. My HS graduating class of nearly 900 had exactly 3 non-Caucasions - and they were Asian (or "Orientals" as they were known at the time).

Now the neighborhoods have a significant number of people of all races. But this is northeast Ohio...don't know where the pollers are sampling.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:15 AM

13. Not true

Hillary is up in the polls a bit in Ohio...we have had Clinton surrogates all along and Hillary is coming next week. Ohio is a state where trade has hurt workers badly...Delphi moved many jobs overseas and then took the pensions...steel was king here and while it has made a limited comeback...it does not support the economy as before. And older folks were hurt badly...many are subsisting on very little. Cleveland is back, and the state is looking promising. I love Cleveland...go up to see a play and/or concert every couple of weeks...more in the summer... Ohio City is my favorite place for a reasonable often gourmet quality meal...we also have great museums. My kids don't plan to leave. One will be an accountant, one will be a teacher and one is an auto worker for GM.

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Response to tribe-time (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:11 AM

15. Ah, those god fearin' folks.

Stupidity knows no boundaries.

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:33 AM

17. There's not a high number of white evangelicals in Ohio.

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2004/11/state-by-state-percentage-of-white-evangelicals-catholics-and-black-protestants.aspx

If Ohio is lost to Trump, I think it will be due to him emphasizing "bad trade deals" early in his campaign. I've heard people here blame trade deals for the loss of industrial jobs for years, true or not.

EDIT:
I looked at the percentages of white evangelicals again, and four of the biggest Trump-supporting states (according to Nate Silver) are at the top for white evangelicals: Tennessee, Oklahoma, Alabama and West Virginia.

It kind of makes sense that Trump would be leading big in those states because polling shows that he's overwhelmingly beating Clinton among that group. I assume it's mostly related to abortion and future Supreme Court appointments. I was surprised that Idaho didn't have a larger percentage of them! That state is very pro-Trump as well, but there must be other factors.

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