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Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:58 AM

Fuck. There is video.

I don't care how our side tries to spin it, this is a gift to the GOP.

I know it's just a fainting episode, and people faint, but it plays right into their health BS. Need to change the subject, fast.

And hope that Trump camp overreacts in a way to create sympathy.

https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200

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piechartking Sep 2016 OP
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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:02 AM

1. Oh, God, that doesn't look good.

Hillary is wearing clothing that is much too heavy to be outdoors for such a long time.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:02 AM

2. Bush I puked and fainted at a state dinner.

FDR got polio and had to use a wheelchair. Kennedy had Addison's disease. Ford fell down so often it became a SNL joke. All of these facts will be duly noted and the incident will fade away. Relax.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:17 AM

17. Bush 1 also lost that year's election.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:29 AM

33. But not because of that.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:30 AM

37. It certainly didn't help.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:39 PM

131. And here you are again on another concern thread. nt

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:54 AM

58. I remember Bush puking was a really big deal

It started a whispering campaign that he really wasn't trying to get re-elected, because he was tired, etc.

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Response to citood (Reply #58)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:50 PM

139. No it didn't.

I heard nothing of the sort. Find an example, otherwise, just no.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #139)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 06:25 PM

165. Other than fodder for the Simpsons and SNL, it really did have little impact.

 

Those other posters are selling BS.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:34 PM

78. "I'll ruin you like a Japanese banquet!"

Sorry, I just can't help it, I'm a Simpsons fan.....

?t=7m27s

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Response to Coventina (Reply #78)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:47 PM

93. "Now, are there any questions? Keeping in mind that I already explained about my hair"

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Response to name not needed (Reply #93)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:48 PM

94. As much as I hated Bush I, that was a hilarious episode!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 06:45 PM

167. See starting at 1:20 for the SNL verson...

 

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:04 AM

3. What if her numbers go up instead?

 

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Response to molova (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:07 AM

7. I hope the Trump camps overreacts

And it backfires. Let's hope.

However, I think she kind of blew it by walking out of Chelsea's apartment and not answering any questions. She needs to be more accessible - if nothing happened, then why not take a few questions?

And this is why it's important for her to be even more open, now

1) Trump/Drudge/Breitbart have been laying the groundwork for this for weeks. Imagine if none of the conspiracies theories were out there. This would be nothing. Instead, this is all you're going to see for 3 days if not longer.

2) Not answering questions about it plays into the whole "She's untrustworthy and has something to hide" angle.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:05 AM

4. Are we sure it's real?

Have to ask. I don't put anything past those fuckers.

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Response to Maven (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:08 AM

8. I hope not. Maybe not. That would be awesome

If it was Trump's lackeys or something.

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Response to Maven (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:52 AM

55. Looks real and it's got me questioning her health

I'd take an ill Hillary over Trump but I think she might be actually sick.

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Response to metroins (Reply #55)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:55 AM

59. FFS

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #59)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 06:43 PM

166. Apparently she was sick

I'm no doctor so I'll take her word it is pneumonia.

This was worrying.

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Response to metroins (Reply #55)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 06:07 PM

163. +1

K & R !

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Response to Maven (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:55 AM

61. There are at least two volideos out there, from slightly different angles

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Response to citood (Reply #61)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:27 PM

73. Do you have a link to the other video?

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Response to awake (Reply #73)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:49 PM

95. https://mobile.twitter.com/oooobear/status/775002396514803713/video/1

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Response to citood (Reply #95)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:58 PM

100. Thank you

I Amy so glad she seems to be ok now. This will not play well though

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Response to awake (Reply #100)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 04:42 PM

162. It's playing very well in Freeperland Every post on their front page is about the vid Also

posts of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and Weekend at Bernie references

Right Wingers will over play this and pay a hidden price in Nov

People don't like this kind of vicious personal attack. She needs to get the debates behind her to put this health bullshit to rest

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Response to citood (Reply #95)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 04:35 PM

160. That's just a zoomed in version of the video not another one.

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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #160)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 04:38 PM

161. Its a slightly different angle

There are now 3 versions making the rounds of the net. Moot anyway - nobody in the campaign is claiming the video is fake.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:05 AM

5. not good...

 

She appears to fall. Should have had an entourage encircling her and someone on each side. But if you've seen Trump without his business suit, he seems in worse shape. Could have a Rick Perry moment or two in the debates...

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:07 AM

6. Why the hell is heat exhaustion such a big deal?

Regular people would leave before it came on, but she couldn't.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:11 AM

11. +1

 

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:19 AM

22. It was 80 degrees with 39% humidity. It wasn't like she was in Florida in July.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:21 AM

26. Not early this morning it wasn't

Stop putting that bullshit out there.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:53 AM

57. It was 80% at 10am in Orlando. Have you ever been to FL?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #57)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:57 AM

64. Yes I have

And I have also been in Cairo, Egypt where the temp was in the mid-90s with 80% humidity thanks to the damn Nile Delta AND in Abu Simbel, Egypt where the temp was 120F (thankfully only 10% humidity). I have been in Galveston, TX where the week I was there, it was mid-90s with 70% humidity every day.

I know what the hell hot and humid is. I live in Philly where it is just as hot and humid here (with 7x the population of little Orlando) .

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:24 AM

29. BULLSHIT

This morning when the ceremony was taking place, the dew point logged by the National Weather Service in Central Park was 72. That is considered "Very humid, quite uncomfortable". As anyone knows, the temperature is even higher in the buildings and concrete versus a thermometer in a vented white box surrounded by grass.

After the ceremony a front swept through, bringing in cooler drier air.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:41 PM

132. People showed you the data that indicated a cold spell came in after Sec. Clinton

had her heat issue on the other thread...still peddling this?

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:46 PM

136. Posters on another thread already debunked your false numbers. Yet here you are again

posting false numbers

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Response to anneboleyn (Reply #136)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:27 AM

179. He has to sell this bullshit wherever he can. It is annoying as hell.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:15 PM

145. If that's it, it's probably not.

But pols have a tendency to cover things up if they even appear bad, so they don't get any traction.

And how can we know, unless we get more information from a doctor? This thing is going to get endless airplay and may lead to debate questions. I bet it even gets into an ad. And Fox News... jesus christ...

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:09 AM

9. And if it was serious...

They would have taken her to the hospital!!!

I passed out at work once from low blood sugar and getting overheated because I didn't eat enough...it was 74 degrees in my office.

I'm not on my death bed!

She's running for president, not in contention for the Olympic f-ing decathlon!

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:11 AM

10. She is wearing body armor

And what 88 f there? Even wearing the light grade kevlar stuff I had. You get hot real fast. We would use cool packs to help our body temp.

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Response to duncang (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:21 AM

27. I never thought about that before....does she wear protection, do we really know?

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Response to KewlKat (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:41 AM

46. I've heard this too

The reason she wears boxy jackets is due to a bulletproof vest. Can't exactly be cool and comfortable.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #46)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:56 AM

62. well then that certainly would make matters worse where heat is concerned.

I guess I just never gave it much thought.

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Response to KewlKat (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:50 PM

96. I have noticed even in some of the smaller controlled settings

You could see some outlining from the body armor. Since she is out in a very uncontrolled area I bet she had even a higher level of body armor on. I used to have to wear a kevlar flash suite. I had a 43 cal suite and a 100 cal suite. The 43 wasn't too bad. But the 100 was a killer. You couldn't keep the 100 on very long unless it was under 50 f. Kevlar doesn't breathe. Just wearing the jacket could keep me nice and toasty warm down in to the 40's leaving it partially open. The hour and half she was walking around would be tough for anybody.

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Response to duncang (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:36 PM

81. do you think you should start a thread of its own about this?

This seems like a very good and important point, and I haven't seen it anywhere else.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:14 AM

14. I HOPE you forgot the sarcasm smilie.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:14 AM

15. Oh good grief.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:16 AM

16. Obviously you're a Trump supporter

So if by "we" you mean the Trump campaign, then yes...I agree with you...he has lost the election.

So tired of these concern trolls!!!

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Response to NewHampshiriteGuy (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:20 AM

24. +1

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:19 AM

21. Oh for Fuck Sake's. Drama much?

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:20 AM

23. You're kidding yourself if you don't think that video is going to play very....very....

 

poorly.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:25 AM

30. I'm not kidding myself. I'm a fighter, I don't wither and cry in the corner. I fight on.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:09 PM

105. +1

 

Leave the fight in the hands of the non-panicked adults who have clean drawers in a crisis.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:16 PM

146. and endlessly for the next 2 months.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 04:09 PM

157. You know what? The primaries are over. And guess what? Hillary won. She is the democratic

nominee. That's the reality. Like it or not

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:21 AM

25. No we didn't. Get a grip. nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:22 AM

28. Are you serious? This is one incident of many on both sides

You should change your post title to show less concern.

It's not a great day for the Clinton campaign, but Trump is behind in every poll.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:30 AM

35. Oh, FFS.

I hope that was sarcasm.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:14 AM

13. "Houston we have a problem"

This is not good and there is no way to spin it. We need to change the story quick.
I am now afraid not just set for my country but for the planet, too many people feel that Trump can not win so they are not going to vote. The Media sees the next two months as a chance to cash in not to help elect the next president, if today's media was around at the time of FDR we would not of had him as President and therefore no Social Security.

This is a very big problem!

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Response to awake (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:17 AM

18. So America will elect someone who is fat,has high blood pressure and is probably on the verge

Of a heart attack and Stroke plus who is mentally unstable-got it! Good Grief.

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:19 AM

20. +1

Excellent response.

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:30 AM

36. While we know this the Press will not report it.

This unfortunately will play right into Trumps message that he has been pushing.

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:28 AM

32. I am very afraid that the Trump people will vote

And too many other Americans will stay home not believing he could get elected. Like it or not the Media see the Clitons as a chance to make themselves a buck. Trump is so flawed but he is being given as free pass the press wants a horse race.

This is the worst new we could get today. Please do not fool your self this is a real "hiar on fire moment". Can we recover yes but we need to understand how bad this looks and it will hurt. I pray that Hillary is ok but she now needs a full court press to change the story fast! What ever dirt we have been holding about Trump need to come out now!

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Response to awake (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:33 AM

38. Also be aware that she was probably wearing a Kevlar vest

And that could have contributed to her overheating.

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #38)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:36 AM

43. I had that thought as well

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #38)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:42 AM

47. This is my thought also that she was / is wearing protective gear/kevlar vest most times

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Response to Kathy M (Reply #47)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:50 PM

97. Kevlar vest will be her forever costume when elected. Don't go down that excuse route

It will back fire

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #38)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:50 AM

54. I do not remember Obama wearing a vest

Her staff should have been doing a better job giving her water or better yet gater aid.

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Response to awake (Reply #54)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:46 PM

154. Coconut water

It's the elixir of life.

Rehydrates like Gatorade without all the sugar.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #154)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:49 PM

155. good to know

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Response to awake (Reply #155)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:52 PM

156. But try a few out

Some brands are nasty.

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Response to awake (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:08 PM

103. I gather a lot of things frighten you

 

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #103)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:13 PM

109. No just the thought of 4 years of Trump in the Whitehoue

And Fourty more years of a Republican Supreme Court

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:47 AM

51. And most likely on mood altering drugs (Trump)

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Response to George II (Reply #51)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:51 AM

180. Agreed! Not enough has been made of his probable drug use

If the news media were doing it's job...

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:50 AM

53. Who's doctors note says all his test results are "positive"...

 

And of course it is terrible to have a positive result on a medical test...

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Response to awake (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:38 AM

44. The sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling AAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

Please, get a grip on yourself will you. Find the planet Earth. She had heat exhaustion. It happens to EVERYONE.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #44)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:47 AM

52. Did you watch the video

While I do not think she has a health problem we do have a media problem and this will not play well. Time will tell but we do need to change the story fast.

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Response to awake (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:13 PM

108. The correct line is "Houston, we've had a problem."

 

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-350/ch-13-1.html

If you're going to dissolve into a quivering pile of panicked goo at the first sign of trouble, at least be accurate historically.

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #108)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:19 PM

112. Thank you for the correct quotation

Do not fool yourself into thinking that this is not a problem. Pointing out what we need to be ready for is not the same as quivering in the corner in a pile of goo.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:18 AM

19. This too shall pass

It will be a front-burner story for a couple of days, Trump and his thugs will hammer away to the point of over-kill, and it will fade away.
The handful of people who are truly undecided will not base their vote on this.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:27 AM

31. It looks bad, but can create sympathy

It is a stark reminder that people we view as powerful are humans just like us as well.

To see Hillary in a vulnerable state like that may remind people that she's just like us-- it is humanizing, albeit, I am a bit worried about her health now.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:29 AM

34. Even if it was the heat

 

she needs to get checked out and release a medical evaluation report today. It's undeniable it could be a number of things, and none of us are doctors. Neither is she or her security detail.

It could be something else.

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Response to B2G (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:34 AM

40. Agreed. Any one of us would get checked out, esp

If we're nearing 70, or 69 whatever age she is.

And whatever those results are need to be shared with the country. That has to happen to put the people at ease, and also to dispel some of this crap about her being "untrustworthy" and hiding stuff.

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Response to B2G (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:35 AM

41. If she is up to it she needs to show up a a fire station and be seeing doing well

If we do not see her soon the Repugs will beat us up with this.

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Response to awake (Reply #41)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:31 PM

76. BY 11:30 AM- CLINTON WAS OUTSIDE FEELING FINE.Im feeling great, Mrs. Clinton said. Its a beauti

Im feeling great, Mrs. Clinton said. Its a beautiful day in New York.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #76)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:35 PM

79. This is the best news now I hope she has a chance to speak with first responders

The press will be sure to cover her if she does time to turn a lemon into lemonade

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Response to awake (Reply #79)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:41 PM

86. She spent couple hours speaking to survivors and first responders before she left.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #86)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:46 PM

91. My point is she will get press coverage of her with them now.

The press did not show that before

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:33 AM

39. That did not look bad

She was wobbly, but to say she fainted is not what is shown.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:36 AM

42. She went down getting into the van

 

Let's not kid ourselves.

She needs to be seen by a doctor, stat.

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Response to B2G (Reply #42)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:02 PM

122. I hope she is ok.

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Response to FXSTD (Reply #122)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:12 PM

123. I do too

 

I'm sure she is, but if that was my mom, I'd have taken her straight to the hospital to be sure. It's not like she hasn't had issues to deal with in the past.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:57 AM

63. Please take off you rose colored classes

This looked bad. I was shocked by how it looked, we need to realize how this is going to used against her and be ready.

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Response to awake (Reply #63)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:42 PM

88. she looked stiff, as if her body wasn't cooperating

kind of seizure-like, but as if her body was "seizing."

that kind of thing could be the result of medication, even as a heat-induced event.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #88)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:22 PM

114. Oh for Pete's sakes

Enough drama!

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Response to awake (Reply #63)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:39 PM

130. Sounds fake.

Seriously...not important.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #130)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:43 PM

133. it is not how it sounds it is how it looks

please take a look. I a very very happy Hillary was back on the street looking well but this video will be used against her.

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Response to awake (Reply #133)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 07:11 PM

170. It looks like a person who is ill...and as it turns out she was!

Now how about dropping the GOP talking point...she is too ill to be president posts? She is the nominee and such posts only harm our nominee.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #170)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 09:16 PM

171. When I posted the news that Hillary was sick was not out

Knowing what the GOP is going to throw at us is not pushing their talking points and I have never said that "she is too ill to be president". My concern is first for Hillary's health and then that her staff is not fucking up by not making sure she is taken care of. I think this is an opening to help her get beyond the "something to hide" bull shit, I just hope that her advisers do not stone wall the press

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Response to awake (Reply #171)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:05 PM

172. Yeah because the press is so fair to Hillary and all. nt

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #172)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:09 PM

173. No they are not fair at all

But as they say keep your friends close and your enemies closer

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Response to awake (Reply #173)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:23 AM

184. Well people say all sorts of things

It doesn't mean, it is a good idea.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #184)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 09:03 AM

186. The press is very much like Trump they want to be noticed

Hillary has a choice she is "nice to them"i.e. grants access) or not, if not they will make a issue bigger than it is. Notice how much better her coverage got once they were on her plane. Most of the press is lazy when she takes a bit of time to talk to them she can set the agenda when she is silent the press will set the agenda.

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Response to awake (Reply #186)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 09:42 AM

188. That is nonsense...her coverage has been awful.

She needs to stay away from them really. Look how they attacked her for being ill.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #188)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:04 PM

190. Ya that's the ticket more stonewall

That way her press coverage will improve- NOT

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Response to awake (Reply #190)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 09:26 PM

191. It won't improve and making herself a target is stupid. nt

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:40 AM

45. Will you please get a grip on yourself. People get heat exhaustion. Stop the silly drama.

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #45)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:46 AM

49. Agree , has happened to me without wearing kevlar vest / protective gear

which she most likely was .

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Response to Kathy M (Reply #49)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:41 PM

151. I can't imagine having the wear all that protective gear under my clothes in this heat.

I get hot just looking at people in long sleeves in this weather.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:45 AM

48. Here's video of Clinton leaving Chelsea's apt.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #48)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:47 AM

50. Thanks for posting ... Hillary looks great .

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #48)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:29 PM

74. Good news

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #48)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:40 PM

85. love that first comment.."she looks fine, although I am not doctor like Trump's is" HAHA

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #85)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:41 PM

87. That's a good one

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #48)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:25 PM

115. Did you see the Russian comment "this is her look alike". 😂

That tinfoil hat is on so tight, it cut off the circulation to their brain.






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Response to DesertRat (Reply #48)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:59 AM

177. Obviously a body double. They grew a pod!!!

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:53 AM

56. If you want see concern trolling

Someone posted on Daily Kos that Hillary should be replaced with Joe Biden.

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #56)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:55 AM

60. I just keep repeating this mantra

"Hillary is not John Kerry. Trump is....Trump.
Hillary is not John Kerry. Trump is....Trump.
Hillary is not...."

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #56)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:58 AM

65. Some asshat did the same at DU. Post was hidden though.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:59 AM

66. She recovered quickly, and hopefully will talk about this event. I'm voting for her

and Kaine, even if she's on life support.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #66)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:07 PM

68. Me too!

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #66)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:06 PM

102. I will vote for her GHOST

.....

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:05 PM

67. Fuck. I don't care. (nt)

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:09 PM

69. What faint?she "felt over heated"by 11:30 she stood outside her daughters CLOSE apartment & was fine

QUOTE FROM CNN

"At about 11:40 a.m., Mrs. Clinton, wearing sunglasses, emerged from the apartment in New Yorks Flatiron district. She waved to onlookers and posed for pictures with a little girl on the sidewalk.

Im feeling great, Mrs. Clinton said. Its a beautiful day in New York.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #69)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:43 PM

89. I am happy that she is out and about but watch the video she did faint

It has been reported that as she fell into the van she lost a shoe latter recovered. This could become a problem, I hope she talks to firefighters or the police about the hard work they did and that way get the story back to the heroes of 9/11 and off of her health

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Response to awake (Reply #89)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:46 PM

92. I saw the video, she did not faint or fall in the van.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #92)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:04 PM

101. I guess we must be viewing different videos then

My concern is that the right wing nuts will beat this to death.

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Response to awake (Reply #101)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:20 PM

113. or my 27inch monitor has a very clear view. I see Clinton say she's "Fine" by 11:30, I believe her.

The Republicans beat everything to death and beyond. Fuck what the Republicans say, that 'Party' has no credibility anymore.

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Response to awake (Reply #101)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:55 PM

141. I guess that must be it...different videos

How about you link to the video you saw? Nothing we can do about what right wing nuts do.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #141)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:57 PM

142. I watch the video linked by the Op which did you view?

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Response to awake (Reply #142)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 04:17 PM

158. she most certainly started to stumble badly trying to get into the SUV, however,

as we saw, she left Chelsea's under her own power, looked firm and in control and even allowed a girl to come take a photo. Nonetheless. I think she wanted to get out of there asap. We can't deny what that 5 seconds of video will do for their campaign to paint that she's oh so sick. F*CK I'd vote for her in an Iron Lung over Drumf! However, she's not that bad, and most likely was just heat exhausted wearing that bulky clothing, not drinking coconut water, or wearing a hat in that city heat and humidity. The sharp reactions some give you and anyone who rationalizes what they saw is standard for boards. Just shake it off politely. Point being, this was a scary moment as she stepped, after head wobbling a couple times, into the the SUV, and thank God she came out of the apartment just a couple hours (right?) later just fine, and looked fine, and sounded fine! I would release a medical report tomorrow, and hopefully they will.

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Response to awake (Reply #89)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:03 AM

178. She did not faint...she merely lost control of leg muscles for a short time

 

She did not even have a coughing fit today.

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Response to golfguru (Reply #178)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 08:56 AM

185. what ever

her staff should have know that she was ill and made sure she had water and electrolytes, I am gald she is getting well needed rest and is felling better

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:23 PM

70. The people bashing the OP should back up for a second.

Sit back and realize that the OP is not expressing concern that Hillary is dying, he is expressing concern about the way the media will seize on this video and run with it.

Matt Lauer's BS "forum" is all the proof we need that the media is not on the side of reality.

If we are complacent, then their attacks will take us by surprise. I see no harm in expressing concern over this video. You KNOW it is going to be distorted like a National Enquirer headline.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #70)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:17 PM

111. Thank you.

To act like this will be nothing is to assume that the nurturing universe we occupy here in Democratic Underground represents the voting population at large.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #70)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:43 PM

152. MSM may see this as a reason not to cover the Bondi thing. They are afraid of the FR.

 

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:25 PM

71. A higher dose of antihistamines for allergies

plus maybe having low blood sugar from not eating enough this morning/not having gotten enough sleep last night/being a bit dehydrated are all perfectly reasonable explanations for a basically healthy person experiencing a morning fainting episode, as appears to be on the video.

The difficulty in this particular case is that Hillary has that history of serious blood clots, is on Coumadin (blood thinner), and also has that history of a serious faint in the past. So it might not be that she just had a simple faint for the common reasons basically healthy people faint.

Until she's had a chance to be examined by a competent medical professional, she isn't really in a position to know what the cause(s) of the episode were and what they imply.

On the other hand, if she and the campaign just try to act as if nothing happened, they will just be making things easier for Trump.

With only single digits separating them in swing state polls, she can't really afford to do anything that plays to an advantage for Trump.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:26 PM

72. The only folks pretending she is dying, are the desperate CONs-GOP they have ZERO policy issues

 

SO they go for something easy, people faint. It happens. Fuck the GOP we will not play into their pathetic hands.

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Response to Rex (Reply #72)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:32 PM

77. So you do not view this as a problem that we should be aware of?

Did you view the video yet?

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Response to awake (Reply #77)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:38 PM

83. What problem? People faint all the time. If it happens 10 times in the next few days then yes.

 

Until then, no. The video lol...so what. She fainted. Next.

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Response to Rex (Reply #83)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:52 PM

99. What we do not know can hurt us

I suggest you watch the video because it is what will be used against Hillary, it does not look good a bit scary if I do say so. The problem is her staff should have been more on top making sure she had water and that she was taken care of.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:29 PM

75. Trump left early also but I see little on that

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:36 PM

82. FDR was most Unfit and arguably greatest Leader we ever had .

 

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:38 PM

84. OH NOES I'M SO CONCERNED!!!

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

90. I hope I never find myself in a fox hole with you

 

I'd guess your washing machine is working overtime today given from the shrieking terror and panic that emanates from your OP.

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #90)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:11 PM

106. I would rather be in a fox hole with somebody who see the "incoming"

Than with somebody who wants to put their head in the sand and not be aware of what is going down. The press has propped up Trump and wants a close race to make a buck it only takes a unforeseen event and we could be screwed. The OP is important so we are aware of what will be coming at us this week.

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Response to awake (Reply #106)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:14 PM

110. Righhhhhht

 

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Response to awake (Reply #106)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:43 PM

134. Yeah but you yell incoming when there is nothing of concern coming... nt

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #134)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:46 PM

137. Well many here have viewed the video and see that we may have to deal with this

Knowing what will be coming at us will help us be prepared to respond

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Response to awake (Reply #137)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 07:10 PM

169. We don't have to deal with anything...nada

If it had been dehydration...it happens...but as it turns out it is an illness.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:51 PM

98. W got attacked by a pretzel and still ostensibly got re-elected

If it's 95 and sunny out, I'd be asking to sit down. I'm no martyr.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:08 PM

104. OMG that looks bad and plays right into the Republican

health issues thing. That is all we will see this week with questions about her health. It's going to be a bad week.
Just sayen the media is going to be on this like flies on shiite.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:11 PM

107. What is more reprehensible

Is the number of news outlets asking permission to broadcast the video. Fuckers!

Posting it without confirmation and passing it on as news.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:27 PM

116. Media

Can try to overplay their hand on this won't help them I think Hillarys campaign may do a presser which would be good but cmon so now trump wins because of this even I don't think that

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Response to vadermike (Reply #116)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:29 PM

117. I don't think so either but she needs to get in front of cameras

Hiding at home just contributes to the narrative that she's "untrustworthy" and "hiding something".

If there's nothing there, then get out there and talk to folks. Maybe she feels like 9/11 shouldn't be about politics, ok I get that.

Tomorrow do something. Sign up for a 5K, do some jumping jacks, just do something!

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Response to piechartking (Reply #117)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:41 PM

118. I am hoping she meets with first responders to thank them

She would get press coverage and could speak to the importance of this day.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:43 PM

119. I can't see anything. Can anyone else?

The second video, posted in this thread, is much more revealing. In the first one, I thought she was getting out of the car.

https://mobile.twitter.com/oooobear/status/775002396514803713/video/1

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #119)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:57 PM

121. You are kidding right?

The other "health issue" videos the GOP has pushed are clearly bull shit but this event will not look good, Hillary is clearly not doing well in thee video clips. If you are not able to see that maybe you want to look again, we need to be ready for more "Health" talk this week.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:52 PM

120. Looked flushed last week

When she met with the press last week following her national security round table, I noticed that she looked very flushed. When the camera shot was from the side, she looked worse. They moved to a frontal shot, and she looked better. I thought that it might be the camera angle. I noticed this because of the attention being paid to her health. I support her and am concerned about the impact of this on the election.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #124)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:24 PM

147. +1 nt

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:13 PM

125. Hillary fainted!

Now I have no choice but to vote for the loudmouth, obnoxious, racist cocksplat with half a brain cell.

Damn.


Sarcasm (for the synapsicaly impaired)

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:26 PM

126. Two more videos



&t=33s

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:31 PM

127. Here's a video from a different angle. I glad she looked much better after she got to her daughters

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #127)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:43 PM

135. it's the same as the original, just flipped 180 degrees (mirror image)

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #135)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:33 PM

149. Yeah I see that now

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:37 PM

128. It is a big nothing.

Those who plan to vote for Hillary will be unaffected...and those who would care were never voting for her anyway... a hot humid day...big deal. After a bit of Gatorade she was fine.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:38 PM

129. Who gives a shit? You think that Trump supporters are ever going to vote for Clinton, anyway?

Clinton supporters are intelligent enough to know this is a minor episode. Good grief.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:46 PM

138. This is a disaster. "Hillary Clinton's stumble highlights her campaign's transparency problems"

This is why this shit matters. Look at all the threads being pulled now!!!

http://cnn.it/2cF3rHW

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Response to smorkingapple (Reply #138)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:13 PM

144. Lol

concern noted.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #144)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:14 AM

182. Lol

concern over concern noted.

Now what did that accomplish?

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:51 PM

140. and here we show the weak side of democracy

That a mushy middle with no spine often become the deciding vote, and they are swayed by this.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:10 PM

143. It probably won't matter if there isn't a further incident.

But this is why the conspiracy theories are so damaging. If something you've been ranting about seems to get a shred of credibility, you suddenly seem like you were right all along.

And changing the subject isn't the answer. We're going to need more information from a doctor. There's no way she didn't see one, apartment or not.

And they must have tied Trump to a chair to keep him from tweeting about this so far :p

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:26 PM

148. So what?

She felt unwell. She has been working extremely hard. She's a human being, not a robot.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:37 PM

150. Bad, But

This is bad for Hillary Clinton, but I blame her campaign team. Clinton looked to be in bad shape. None of them thought to either find a quiet place at the 9/11 memorial and let her sit down while someone else went to get her some Gatorade, or some other energy drink. Also, nobody thought to try to find a place where there were no cameras, or video cameras to bring the van to pick her up. What were they thinking.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #150)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:14 AM

183. Bingo

All of this could've been avoided if her campaign team managed this properly.

Her campaign team is terrible, imo, strategy wise also, too wimpy and laid-back, which is historically how Dems lose, by allowing the right and the media to control the narrative.

Bill Clinton and Obama won because they had a campaign team that was smart, but also tough and relentless.

Hillary's team (Mook, Podesta, Palmieri, Fallon) are overly polished and laid back, and imo, clueless in thinking that a conventional 'contrast of ideas' will work against the fascist clown and his army of deplorables, who know how to control the media.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #183)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 11:18 AM

189. I Agree

They could really be hitting Donald Trump hard.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:45 PM

153. Yes, the video is an answer to their prayers.

It looks terrible, frankly. This is a fact.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 04:29 PM

159. Buh-bye! eom

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 06:16 PM

164. The video not that bad

Its not like she barfed into someone lap and ended up unconscious on the floor or fell of the stage

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 07:08 PM

168. Well now we know she had Pneumonia....amazing

she was able to keep such a tough schedule with such a debilitating illness...she must be made of iron.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:26 AM

175. Oh, FFS.

Watch the damn video. If Hillary "fainted," so did the Secret Service guys helping her into the van. They were going down steps; the one on her right obviously came up the steps to help her.

Get a grip.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:36 AM

176. There is no need to spin, she has walking pneumonia. She will be treated with antibiotics and

rest, and back on the campaign trail in no time, and be the next President

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:11 AM

181. I saw a discussion about the video on a nutty conspiracy theory site and they

were obsessing about "a mysterious piece of metal" that supposedly flew out of Clinton's pants when she was getting into the van. Naturally, this confirms she's a jellyfish because of all her serious illnesses and must wear a full-body brace. This from people who worship FDR. I was trying to understand the point of the big conspiracy, and it turns out they think Clinton is covering up being on death's door because she wants to be in the history books, wants to "die in office and be immortalized like JFK." Oh, come on, that's it? Needs work.

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Response to piechartking (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 09:34 AM

187. The denial is strong in this thread

Perception is everything in politics.

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