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Thu Sep 8, 2016, 05:08 PM

"I communicate classified information of a totally separate system"

That's what Hillary said last night and it really struck a cord with me. That's the first time I've heard that, was it for you ? It makes a MASSIVE difference because people were nearly expecting those 60,000 emails to be full of classified info. It was never made clear (not to me anyway) that there was this whole other Hillary email address that was within the secure State Dept network. I had been wondering recently that if there were no classified emails on Hillary's server, then where were they ? This answers it.

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Reply "I communicate classified information of a totally separate system" (Original post)
OnDoutside Sep 2016 OP
tammywammy Sep 2016 #1
OnDoutside Sep 2016 #2
athena Sep 2016 #12
Kashkakat v.2.0 Sep 2016 #15
MineralMan Sep 2016 #3
OnDoutside Sep 2016 #4
MineralMan Sep 2016 #6
OnDoutside Sep 2016 #13
MineralMan Sep 2016 #16
athena Sep 2016 #11
JoePhilly Sep 2016 #5
democrattotheend Sep 2016 #7
Hekate Sep 2016 #8
OnDoutside Sep 2016 #10
KewlKat Sep 2016 #9
OnDoutside Sep 2016 #14
Sunlei Sep 2016 #17

Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 05:12 PM

1. I'm surprised you didn't know this by now.

There are completely separate networks for unclassified information and classified. They don't even talk to one another.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 05:36 PM

2. I work in IT and had an idea that was the case but the point I'm

Getting at is that I bet there are millions of voters who don't realise that this is the case. The narrative in their heads is that all her emails were on this private server.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:23 AM

12. I also did not know about it

and I'm also far from computer-illiterate. (I've worked for years as a software developer.) I did not know it because it was never mentioned. The media never bothered to mention this, perhaps because once you learn about it, you realize there is really very little reason to criticize Hillary for using a separate server for non-classified e-mails.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:51 AM

15. Can't know it unless someone says it! whether its a matter of it not having been said, OR

not being reported due to lazy for-profit news reporting that values conflict over understanding....or all of the above..... I dunno.

This needs to be screamed from the rooftops. Im NOT in IT, not particularly computer savvy either - wide swaths of US society have no clue. All they hear is the republican disinformation.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 08:02 PM

3. "Communicated" "on"

Please quote accurately, if you don't mind. Hillary speaks grammatically correctly. If you use quotation marks, try copy and paste for better accuracy. Thanks.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 08:10 PM

4. Oh stop, pedantry to the point of being anal isn't a good trait. It was a typo.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 08:15 PM

6. If you use quotation marks, quote accurately, please.

Two errors in one sentence? That's not a typo. It's just sloppy.

If you're going to quote a presidential candidate, at least try to get it right. That'd be great...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:27 AM

13. Hang on, I have to do some more cutting and pasting from the TV screen....

"Some people say pedantry is a twattish sign of OCD".

I'll await the typo discovery.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 10:59 AM

16. "twattish?"

Really? That's sort of a weird thing to write, I think.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:21 AM

11. I agree that you should fix it.

It's hard to understand what the title is saying because it doesn't make sense grammatically. It's therefore hard at first to realize who is being quoted, for reasons Mineral Man has stated. Why not just fix it, rather than attack those who point this out? Why purposefully leave a title incorrect and confusing?

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 08:10 PM

5. The media finds that aspect of this story unhelpful.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu Sep 8, 2016, 09:07 PM

7. Why hasn't she been saying this from the beginning?

I feel like the reports that have come out recently have actually exonerated her, but by now most people are convinced she is lying because she hasn't been able to articulate it consistently. I am guessing that her inability to do so stems from the fact that she is not all that tech savvy and probably didn't fully understand how her server worked. But unfortunately the media and many voters have assumed more sinister motives.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 02:45 AM

8. Because the incompetent complicit media keeps repeating the lie, & so does Tinyhands....

As Mark Twain said, "A lie can run around the world before the truth can get its shoes on." (Quoting from memory here; apologies to anyone who googles it.)

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 07:58 AM

10. The Reps have forced the narrative that it's all about Classsified emails on her Private server.

It's hard to see how the Clinton Campaign can change that with 60 days to go. Perhaps worth starting now with a view to her Presidency.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:07 AM

9. How Did Classified Information Get Into Those Hillary Clinton Emails?

Here is an article you might find helpful in understanding the email systems that the government uses.

http://www.govexec.com/technology/2016/07/how-did-classified-information-get-those-hillary-clinton-emails/129979/

The HANDLING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION portion really explains it well.

snip -


Media sometimes erroneously refer to Clinton as having shared classified documents. This is not something she is accused of. It is extremely difficult to share a classified document electronically over email. Most government agencies, including the State Department, maintain separate systems precisely to make it all but impossible to electronically pass information between classified and unclassified systems.

One cannot simply view a document on a classified network and email it to someone on an unclassified system even within the same agency. This is partly why Clinton and her aides say so assuredly that they did not knowingly email classified materials.



another snip -

The fact is government officials inadvertently send classified details over unclassified email systems all the time. Considering the amount of information dealt with on a daily basis, it is inevitable. Classified details are accidentally revealed in casual conversations and media interviews. We may not hear about it because it’s not in the interviewee’s interest to point that out after the fact.

A colleague and former CIA analyst tells his students he would never knowingly but almost certainly will inadvertently relate in the classroom a tidbit that is classified. The classic example is when Senator David Boren accidentally revealed the name of a clandestine CIA agent. Boren at the time was no less than chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

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Response to KewlKat (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 08:39 AM

14. And that's perfectly reasonable, except

if you ask the tens of millions of voters, I will bet the overwhelming majority of them would not know Hillary sent her classified emails within a secure network. All they know about is, classified emails/Hillary Clinton/private server. That's the narrative. It may be too late to change that narrative, but someone in the Campaign needs to come up with a strategy that people can understand, that can play out beyond November because the Reps will keep hammering her on this.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Fri Sep 9, 2016, 11:00 AM

17. Can you copy paste the correct "quote" from 1 of the posts? 2 or three words are wrong.

I agree many people don't know or understand the difference between server use in our government.

That's why Republicans created "the email issue" because its so easy to confuse todays American 'voter'. They count on people to de-evolve into arguments on any "comments" close to the actual "truth."

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