2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo you believe sexism plays a part in Hillary's polling numbers
regarding trust and honesty?
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uponit7771
(92,383 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,500 posts)What they are really saying is - they are putting their thumb on the scale and working for a Trump election in November.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)without question, to the number who are voting for her just because she's a woman, and the much larger number who are voting against her because she is a "she"!
Despite that, the ignoramus she's running against has offended millions more with his mocking ofdisabled people, POWs, Mexicans, etc.
I still say he'll get 44% nationally. He doesn't deserve 4 votes. Many vote just on party lines, so the battle is for that middle group who aren't truly attached to a party. I safely believe he's offended enough smart people and the groups above, to secure he won't get around 50%, which is what he'll need to possibly secure the EVs.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)this would be the biggest election blowout ever.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)because there is so much potential blowback in attacks on her, as just seen today on remarks about her looks.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)sexist comments out there. And it hasn't seemed to stop some from celebrating those comments either.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)Drumf won his nomination, sure, but they're made of bigots in their party and not everyone who votes in general elections vote in the primaries. I would say a guy would be up 4% more over Drumf. My most likely to vote Drumf sibling, despite being Dem like us all, is somewhat anti female in my opinion and will either not vote this time or unhappily for one or the other.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)meow2u3
(25,015 posts)No matter what she does, the media picks her apart.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)that's a good part of it, that is also very entangled with sexism.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Women have to bring twice the education and experience to be considered half as good as a man. JMHO
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Just like President Obama said, she's probably the most qualified to run, ever.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)I don't think that most people sit down and say, "Hillary is a woman, therefore (something negative)", but gender bias is a real thing and I think that it can certainly have an at least subtle effect on perceptions of a candidate. The perception of Hillary as an "ambitious person who will do anything to get elected" is steeped in sexism. Where men who are ambitious are seen as properly expressing masculinity, women who are ambitious are seen as lacking something or in some way being "unnatural". There is, in my opinion, a vicious cycle with regards to Hillary. Every move is scrutinized so she is careful and standoffish with the media, they characterize her as hiding something (which she is, for the sake of her humanity I am sure), then she pulls back, and the media claims she is hiding something.... rinse/repeat.
Likewise, Hillary is blamed for what Bill did or didn't do, which is not usually the treatment that the husband of a powerful woman politician has to deal with.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But Trump they laugh. It's not like they have any real answers but they all say she is a
Liar and cite Sanders to back them up. Very uninformed people who have no idea what her career has been. I just ask them to please read the sourcing of the crap they believe. But honestly they mostly just have vague hatred. That's the tell I think.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)into the RW narrative about her.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Tax returns and then get away with pointing their fingers at Clinton that SHE is hiding something? When they both were hiding shit? The way they both tried to deligitimize the process - mid race-
But only the when it wasn't serving them?
What a crock of shit.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Disgusting the excuses people make for that shit.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)done. My biggest fear for the next 2 months is Trump will act semi-sane and semi-reasonable, the media will forget about all his shit, and meanwhile the will harp on Hillary, driving her support down.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,126 posts)Otherwise polling numbers would be different.
It's not that simple for many people, but it must play a role given the demographic polling.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Hillary's cons as a candidate are:
She's not a good campaigner
People (not du) but people in general do not find her exciting or likeable
She has historically had a low polling ceiling
She has historically always fallen in polls the longer a race has gone on
Nobody should be acting surprised at this point. We knew what she was when we picked her. The hope is she holds on, wins, and Governs well.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I'm not.
Surprised that some DUers don't believe that it does?
Yes, that is surprising.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)She is exactly what we thought she was. Seriously, don't look for bogeyman when the answer is right in front of your face.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)how on earth did she nearly win the primary in 2008, and then dominate it in 2016? She must be doing something right as far as campaigning.
Again, the question was do you believe that sexism plays a part in her polling regarding honesty and trust.
I wasn't asking for your opinion on her campaigning style.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...or not asking for. My comment is pertinent to your question. You're trying to blame bogeyman for Hillary being historically bad at campaigning.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)You either believe it plays a part, or you don't.
But since you don't care to give it much thought, you have already answered it.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I answered it AGAIN in my last comment:
'No, I believe Hillary's poor polling against an inferior candidate is due to her equally poor campaigning and unlikeability, and not a sexist bogeyman.'
Is that clear enough?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)You don't believe that sexism plays a part.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That's a pretty bizarre and special standard you got there! I'm guessing down is up too?