Romney did outspend Obama in this campaign, right? Need help with Freeper please

[DMacTX]

He keeps hounding that Obama outspent Romney?

I might could see that on pure candidate raising, maybe on DNC > RNC, but not sure.

Anyway, when Rove, Koch Bros, Adelson, Wynn etc Super PACS are included, surely to heck that outweighed Priorities USA etc?

I sent one link, but he is insistent he is right.

Thanks

[valerief]

1. Make him prove it. nt

[arcane1]

2. Exactly

The days of playing defense against RW lies are OVER!

[wandy]

12. +1 Put it on them to prove what Fox told them to think. It works!

[Cha]

22. AbsoFreakingLutely! Until then it's what you say it is. As

Romney Lies posts downthread.. it seems "romney spent more but Obama got more Bang for his Buck"!

I actually remember reading that a couple of weeks ago..

[Blue4Texas]

33. I like that! I'm tired of doing the research for them

Which they don't hear anyway. Time to let them float, alone, in their own cloud.

[RomneyLies]

3. We won't know for certain until the final FEC filings are sent

but it looks like Romney outspent Obama but got a lot less bang for his buck using too many consulting firms as go-betweens, thus dramatically increasing costs.

It's weird that the businessman ran his campaign as if it was made of money and the community organizer ran his campaign like it was a business.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

21. +1000 nt

[TeamPooka]

32. The businessman spent the money with his crony's and companies he owns

through Bain like ClearChannel.
There was a method to his madness.
They thought they could keep the money they raised and win the White House but they were wrong.
They do get to keep the money though...

[Cannikin]

4. I think the pres. may have actually out raised and outspent,

but more of his donations came from people like us and not Sheldon Adelson.

This link breaks down some of the numbers.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

[Iggy]

26. Yes, But that doesn't quite fit the Mythology

the point is not so much whether Obama raised MORE money than Rmoney (isn't this typically the case with incumbents?) but the fact Obama's people were smart enough to target ads in places like Columbus, OH, which helped Obama win the state.

[Dem2TheCore]

5. Make him give a source and

Say so what? If Obama had more money to spend it's because more people contributed to campaign, just like more people voted for him. That Obama sure is one popular president.

Or just tell the person to fuck off and come back when his reason returns.

[Cha]

23. This is Good too..^^^^^^^^^^

[southernyankeebelle]

6. Tell your friend who cares. It's time to turn the page your man won and now its time to

get over it and lets move the country forward for all.

[Lionessa]

7. I don't know for sure, but here's the more important point to make,

if Obama did outspend Rmoney, or not, it doesn't matter, what matters is where the money was contributed from. Obama had 100x of thousands, if not millions of very small donors, more representative of the voting public than the couple of dozen "investors" who spent millions a piece to buy a piece of the presidency through "investment" as it were. No matter how you cut it, Obama even through the money he had available to spend, was chosen by the people, not by the "vampire investor" bloc.

[LukeFL]

25. I invested in our campaign.

I donated $250. So yes, we have a bite at the pie which is to help PO work for the working middle class-

[OregonBlue]

8. Obama's money came from individual donors but not the GOP.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/31/1114621/69-percent-of-outside-money-benefited-romney-and-republicans/?mobile=nc

NYT has a breakdown:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

[Cha]

24. Great info..thanks OregonBlue

[former9thward]

29. Your two links contradict each other.

I'll trust the Times info over thinkprogress which excludes union contributions and does not give any sources for its assertions.

[progressivebydesign]

9. Ask him he's talking about actual campaign donations from REAL people...

or is he talking about bundlers? Or about the outside money that added up to a billion dollars in ads on behalf of Romney from Adelson and Koch Bros, and US Chamber, and Crossroads. He is talking a stupid RW talking point that's been out there this week. Saying that Romney only lost because he didn't have enough money. Which is bullshit, of course. Romney had something like 80% MORE outside PAC money for him, that funded all of the ads, billboards, mailers, robocalls, etc. etc. etc.

[LukeFL]

10. Thank you

Will bookmark

[Agnosticsherbet]

11. According to the New York Times, Obama raised and spent more through the end of October.

The 2012 Money Race: Compare the Candidates

According to the article, Obama raised $934 million and spent $852.9 million. Romney raised $881 million and spent $752.3 million.

This only takes in Romeny and Obama's the party contributions and the super pac associated with each campaign.

It does not take into acocunt Crossroads GPS or other Pacs.

[NewJeffCT]

13. The Super-Pac money

was 3:1 against Obama.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. Over a billion in superpac money was spent, according to this link.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/08/15007504-karl-roves-election-debacle-super-pacs-spending-was-nearly-for-naught?lite

[NewJeffCT]

19. are traditional Republican groups like the NRA and the Chamber of Commerce

now donors to super-pacs, or do they still do their own thing?

[Agnosticsherbet]

20. Anyone can donate to a superpac. No strings, no limits.

nra pac http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00053553

Here is a link to some super pac expenditures http://www.desmoinesregister.com/interactive/article/20121026/NEWS/121026030/Super-PAC-independent-expenditures?nclick_check=1

[Wounded Bear]

30. And no accountability.....nt

[EC]

14. I think so...but that is excluding the PACs

Rmoney let the PACs take frontal attacks. He didn't spend his money til the end.

[Agnosticsherbet]

16. This is a link to the billion that was spent.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/08/15007504-karl-roves-election-debacle-super-pacs-spending-was-nearly-for-naught?lite

I've yet to see a full listing. that would be interesting to see.

[justiceischeap]

17. Who cares who outspent whom.

Instead of complaining about who did better in the money department, the discussion should be about why it costs so much money for any candidate or party to get elected.

[DMacTX]

18. Thank you all for your help!

[Johnny2X2X]

27. Yes and no

Obama's campaign out raised and spent Romney's, but Romney's Super PACs fat outspent Obama's.

The numbers I saw when they were combined was about $1.3 Billion for Obama and $1.6 Billion for Romney.

[Warren Stupidity]

28. Since dark money doesn't count, we will never know.

Disclosure is problematic. Your friend is probably referring to the official donations by individuals to the Money Boo Boo campaign and to Obama, and I believe we did indeed out raise them.

Here is a pretty good source: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

[Wounded Bear]

31. It's right wing attepts to spin the election results...

If Obama outspent Romney, than he won using Romney's tactics and is no better. That's what they're trying to prove.

It's like that bullshit the other day where someon "proved" that Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the nation. See? He's just another rich guy.

Don't fall into the trap. The Repubs are trying to foster the Libertarian meme that there's no difference between the parties or the candidates.

Obama won because he ran a better campaign and Romney sucked. The "money issue" is so much noise.

[GoCubsGo]

34. If Obama did outspend Romney, so what?

Remind this guy that it was the conservatives on the Supreme Court who said that money is speech. Then tell him if he doesn't like it, to go complain to Roberts, Scalia, and their buddies.