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that has accomplished more than Hillary Clinton has in her lifetime.
Hillary Clinton has always been a strong fighter for liberal and progressive issues. Always. And she has the record to show it.
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JoePhilly
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Wow ... that was easy.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)They can't hold a candle.
Haveadream
(1,632 posts)
Other than President Obama, none can come close. That is the reason she has been voted most Outstanding Woman of the Year 20 times! She is a woman of so many "firsts" it is difficult to keep count. To have accomplished all that she has and having done it as a woman makes it all the more remarkable. She is seen as the iconic leader for promoting children and women's rights globally.
She graduated from Maine South High School in 1965, being a National Merit Finalist. Both her parents wanted her to have an independent career, not limited by gender biasness.
She enrolled at the Wellesley College in 1965, majoring in political science. During her college years, she was active in student politics and was elected as the president of the Wellesley Young Republicans.
Her political standing changed quite a couple of times during the decade of 1960s. She was seen as someone having a conservative mind with a liberal heart. In 1968, she was elected as the President for Wellesley College Government Association and worked at the post with full conviction.
Graduating from the college in 1969 with a BA with departmental honours in political science, she took up various odd jobs before finding herself a seat at the Yale Law School. She was selected to give her graduating class commencement speech, the only Wellesley student ever to do so.
In 1970, she was selected to work with the U.S. Senator Walter Mondale's sub-committee on migrant workers. Following this, she interned at Oakland, California, with the law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, working on child custody and other cases.
She was awarded with a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973. Thereafter, she began her one year postgraduate course on study of children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center. It was while pursuing her postgraduate studies that she served as staff attorney for Children's Defense Fund.
In 1974, she was appointed as a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. The work of the committee led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.
In 1974, she took to teaching criminal law at the University of Arkansas. Two years later, she moved to the state capital of Arkansas after her husband, Bill Clinton was appointed as the Arkansas Attorney General.
In 1977, she took up employment with the Rose Law Firm, specializing in patent infringement and intellectual property law. She even worked pro bono in child advocacy. The same year, she co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
Her tremendous political capabilities won her an appointment as the chief on the board of directors of Legal Service Corporation by President Jimmy Carter in 1978. Retaining the chair until 1980, she enhanced the funding for the Corporation more than three times, from $90 million to $300 million. Furthermore, she was the first woman to serve the position.
With the appointment of Bill Clinton as the Governor of Arkansas in 1979, she became the First Lady of Arkansas, a position which she held for twelve years, from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992.
She was appointed as a chair at the Rural Health Advisory Committee and was endowed with the task of providing medical facilities in the poorest zones.
In 1983, she took control of the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee. During her tenure, she worked to improve the educational standard and made teacher testing mandatory. Furthermore, she set state standards for curriculum and classroom size.
For six years, from 1982 to 1988, she chaired a commanding position in the New World Foundation. Between 1987 and 1991, she served as one of the board of directors of American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, fighting against gender biasness. She also served on the boards of TCBY and Wal-Mart.
In 1992, she joined her husband in successfully campaigning for a seat in the Presidential elections as a democratic candidate. She undertook a valuable role in the elections and was a crucial factor for Bill Clinton’s victory.
With the appointment of Bill Clinton as the President of the United States in 1993, she became the First Lady of the United States. She was the first First Lady to hold a postgraduate degree and the first to have an office in the West Wing in addition of the First Lady office in East Wing.
Just as conceived by most, she played an active role in public policies and was often claimed to be the ‘co-president’. She chose almost eleven people for the topmost positions and dozen others at lower levels.
As a First Lady, she was appointed to head the Task Force on National Health Reform in 1993. Popularly known as Clinton health care plan, she aimed at making employers provide health coverage to their employees.
In 1997, she came up with Children's Health Insurance Program, which helped children gain health coverage through state support. Furthermore, she promoted immunization, compulsory mammogram for females to check breast cancer, and funded research on prostate cancer and childhood asthma.
She commenced the initiation of various acts including, Adoption and Safe Families Act and Foster Care Independence Act. She created an Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice and hosted numerous conferences.
As the First Lady, she visited 79 countries, including India and Pakistan to amend their relations with the US. During the trip, she envisioned the pitiable state of women which propelled her eventual career in diplomacy.
She ran for the US Senate seat from New York eventually winning the same by a huge margin. With this, she became the first wife of a president to seek and win national office and the first woman to be elected to the U.S. Senate from New York. She easily won re-election in November 2006.
During her terms, she strongly supported military action in Afghanistan, reworking on the security of the state following 9/11 attacks, obtaining funds for supporting recovery efforts in New York.
In 2007, she hinted about her intention of contesting the presidential elections of 2008, thus becoming the first woman to be nominated by a major party. Though she lost the elections to Barack Obama, she was nevertheless appointed as the Secretary of State. She won 18 millions votes in the Primary.
As the Secretary of State, she continued to raise her voice for women rights and human rights. Furthermore, she prominently advocated U.S. military intervention in Libya and was at the forefront of US response to Arab Springs.
She was one of the most travelled secretaries of State.
She has been the proud recipient of numerous awards and medals for her outstanding contributions as a politician and in the field of law. Furthermore, she was reckoned in every role that she took up. She has also been conferred with several honorary degrees from universities across the globe.
She tied the knot with long time beau Bill Clinton on October 11, 1975, in a Methodist ceremony. The couple has a daughter Chelsea.
Apart from being the former First Lady, Hillary Clinton has several other "first" to her name. She is the first First Lady to have a post graduate degree and to be elected to national office.
Hillary Clinton is a Grammy Award winner. She won the award in 1997 for Best Spoken Word Album for her audio recording of her book 'It Takes A Village'.
Hillary Clinton is the most traveled Secretary of State. During her four-year tenure, she visited 112 countries and spent roughly a quarter of her term in the air.
She was a member of the presidential impeachment inquiry staff during the Watergate scandal in 1974. As a result of the scandal, President Nixon resigned later that year.
Hillary Clinton has the unique distinction of being both senator and First Lady for 20 days. She held both these positions from Jan 1, 2001 to Jan 20, 2001. Thereafter Bill Clinton left the White House on Jan 20, 2001.
Read more at http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/hillary-diane-rodham-clinton-1632.php#MS6Iwu18uoXgAPRF.99
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Thank you! 
Haveadream
(1,632 posts)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Experiences are deep. Yes I am very happy with our candidate.
chillfactor
(7,694 posts)he may not have the name recognition that Hillary has but he is one great man!
KMOD
(7,906 posts)In fact I just got my John Lewis sticker, I stand, (sit) with John Lewis, today.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)
MBS
(9,688 posts)Every Facebook post of his restores my spirit.
A class act. His hope and positivity are a tonic for me.
sheshe2
(90,356 posts)They are there with her, I love them all for their dedication and service.
They are in it together, because we are STRONGER TOGETHER!
They are with her!
Haveadream
(1,632 posts)
sheshe2
(90,356 posts)sheshe2
(90,356 posts)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)and "concerned people" are absent from this thread.
Where are ya? Step on up.
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)It's either that or stirring up the pot. Replying to your own post seems more like stirring the pot.
I'm certainly glad you're happy, KMOD, but picking fights isn't great for unity.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)You might consider it cheerleading, but I consider it fact.
Every single day there is a thread about how Hillary isn't a liberal, or isn't progressive, so name me a current Democrat that has accomplished more?
That's all I'm asking. Can you step up and name someone?
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)Everyone here supports her. (Or at least is supposed to.)
I mean, if you really care who has accomplished the most, you could probably make arguments for, say, Joe Biden, John Kerry, or some long serving Senators. But what's the point?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)She has hands down accomplished more than any other current serving Democrat I can think of. That's why she is a fantastic Democratic Presidential Nominee. And that includes Joe Biden and John Kerry. While they are both great, neither of which have come anywhere close to matching her achievements.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)Oh, I thought you said this wasn't about cheerleading. 
So then it sounded like you were just trying to pick a fight.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)It's just an obvious statement.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)It's not "an obvious statement" if by that you mean it's an indisputable fact. It is, rather, an opinion.
As for whether we do in fact have a wonderful candidate, and as for whether she has in fact accomplished more than any other sitting Democrat, and for that matter whether she's the most qualified person ever to run for President -- I decline to comment on any of these subjects, because full and free discussion of them is not allowed on DU at this time.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Go for it.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I am not playing as I received a hide for posting factual information earlier. Sad when facts are censored. She is a very accomplished lady.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I think the point is to return to civility. It's OK to agree to disagree, but some try to skirt the line.
I think we are getting closer to discussing topics without being rude to one another, and that's a good thing.
If your hide wasn't just, appeal it. I think the admins have been trying to be very fair.
I'm confident that you can post your view as long as you refine from rudeness.
Nobody wants discussion shut down, we just all want the bullshit shut down.
Haveadream
(1,632 posts)
is one helluva endorsement. President Obama has been the best President of my lifetime, and I trust his opinion.
Haveadream
(1,632 posts)It is fantastic that he and Hillary have such a great working relationship. Not only is Hillary the most experienced, she will have the most experienced advisors!
Lefthacker
(264 posts)President Obama have to deal with chaos around the world he dealt with the obstructionist right wing here in our own country. He got the country back on track inspite of these nasty people. Obama improved out image and standing around the world. He did all of this with class, composure and a intregrity with which I am most proud. This drives the right crazy.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)You said: "Go ahead, name me one currently serving Democrat that has accomplished more than Hillary Clinton." It's got a period at the end, but it's still a question. To me, it's either rhetorical celebratory cheerleading (and you've said it was celebratory but not cheerleading, which is a distinction that eludes me) or as PoliticalMalcontent said, stirring up the pot (if you genuinely wanted responses from the "concerned people" you mentioned so you could try to knock them down). If it's constructive cheerleading, fine. If it's stirring up the pot or picking a fight, then I think it's counter-productive in what is supposed to be a time of unifying and working together, not continuing to fight the primary, etc. That's how it strikes me, anyway.
can you name anyone? That's what I was asking, and that was the point.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)I don't want to get drawn into defending this or that potential alternative. There are numerous good people in the party. Hillary is our nominee, and I am behind Hillary.
wncHillsupport
(112 posts)I am still reading posts, as a newbie, but this one was weird. I thought kmod posed a good discussion question but from the posts, whichever way you answer, half the group would say it was wrong in some way.
I will keep reading though I find this forum quite a mystery as to what is "pc" vs "not pc" for the threads.
Holding chin: Hmmmm, verrrry interesting!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)DU can be awesome and crazy at the same time.
Welcome to DU.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You can get some idea of the rules from this post and the other sources linked in it.
My impression is that an honest error, especially by a new member, won't be a catastrophe. That individual post might be removed, but that doesn't mean you'll be banned from the site.
blm
(114,021 posts)investigating and exposing serious government corruption.
In fact, if Kerry's work on BCCI had received the attention it deserved as a priority in the 90s thru 2001 there would never have BEEN a 9-11 event.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Thank you for giving him his due. That BCCI investigation was awesome.
Which is not to say that others mentioned in this thread are slugs, either.
blm
(114,021 posts)but, absurd, as well.
And why some in the thread are questioning the intent. Though, in my personal view, it's just a matter of some DU members simply not being familiar with the details of the last 5 decades that corpmedia has chosen to ignore, as well.
Some of us older Dems remember the history and haven't forgotten it.
I got out there and knocked on doors and put out signs and hangers for Kerry. I don't regret one minute of it. He would have been a terrific President--so much better than Shrub. Despite Edwards's problems, I still think that he was much better than Darth.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)
pnwmom
(109,763 posts)blm
(114,021 posts)as of right now in answer to your question, Kerry has accomplished more - far more if you are an anti-corruption hawk like some of us here.
sheshe2
(90,356 posts)you are saying we are not allowed to cheer our President elect in the GE? That is not what the Admins are saying.
So, KMOD is stirring the pot by backing and lauding our President elect? You may what to rethink that. The pot stirrers are the ones that are concerned. Very concerned.
You want unity? Then show some.
You might want to speak to YOUR PEEPS about UNITY. Unity needs to work both ways, two way street here. You know how long Obama tried to work across the aisle. That hand was always withheld. Those were Republicans and now we have Dems doing the same thing.
Unity started when the Hill Group unblocked every member. Your group followed the leader, yet stopped short. That is not unity, that is selective and divisive. Correct that and we will talk.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)supporting Hillary Clinton = stirring the pot.
You can't make this stuff up.
sheshe2
(90,356 posts)Who do you think she is, our GE nominee, so said the people? Oh wait, she is. 
Love you!
Back at you!
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)Not at all. However, the OP said it was not about cheerleading (see post #11), but rather (in post #6) that it was a challenge to people who thought otherwise. Which sounds like flamebait (pot stirring) to me.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Does it bother you that I post about Hillary in a positive view? Does it bother you that I ask for candidates who could be comparable in accomplishments? Is that what you consider flamebait? Are all threads that are supportive of Hillary Clinton flamebait to you?
Haveadream
(1,632 posts)
We need more of these in GE DU 2016. It is hard to argue with the overwhelming facts of Hillary's accomplishments and who would want to? Unfortunately, there will always be some who try to minimize her incredible achievements. Those people usually come from the RW, low information crowd who need to justify their personal animus somehow.Much of it has to do with Hillary being held to double standards and bigotry, not unlike Tea Party complaints about Obama being used to disguise racist motivations.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)We are blessed with having an extremely incredible candidate, while the RWers have been reduced to tRump.
And she will continue with the amazing progress that President Obama has began.
Racists and bigots should take heed, we've had enough of them, and we will stomp them into extinction.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)If the answer is supposed to be "no one," then you're cheerleading, which is okay, but not what you said you were doing. Instead, you said (in post 6) that you were challenging those who are critical/concerned. That's stirring the pot. So this struck me as not simply a thread to support Hillary, but rather, a thread to knock down "concerned/critical" people -- that is, encourage dissent, which you would knock down, aka flame bait.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I'm asking this in sincerity. I have not seen anyone answer "no one".
Answer the question, or don't, but quit the silly drama please.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)sheshe2
(90,356 posts)not because they did more, yet they did no less.
I love and respect them both as I do Hillary.
I don't see KMOD tossing me under the bus by saying so. Actually the only people that were tossed under was Elijah and John ...it wasn't Hill supporters that did that.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)Basically saying, "Okay you doubters, tell me who you think is better." To me, that's looking to stoke an argument. It doesn't sound like it's promoting unity, does it? And god forbid someone had suggested Bernie Sanders, that would have been an immediate block for refighting the primary! Let's just get behind Hillary and not challenge people to try to knock her down by suggesting someone else may have been a better choice for this reason or that. That's all I'm saying. Whatever her strengths and weaknesses (and everyone has them), she's the nominee, and I don't see the point of asking for people to chime in on who would have been better in whatever respect, and then perhaps start an argument about whether you agree... and my guess is the OP would never agree that someone else could have been better (at best, only comparable), which makes the question disingenuous, besides.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Hillary's many accomplishments.
What I find interesting is how many people seem to take great offense at any positive Hillary Clinton thread.
thesquanderer
(12,525 posts)Some of us merely object to the aspect of the thread that is not about supporting Clinton, but about goading those who you called the " 'constructive criticis' people and 'concerned people' " - i.e. those who might have a slightly different perspective than yours. A post about her accomplishments is one thing. A post challenging people to prove that you might be wrong about her being the single most accomplished Democrat currently serving is something else.
And btw, as someone else said, that latter thought is an opinion, not a fact. I didn't buy every rose-colored-glasses statement about Sanders when I was supporting him, and likewise, I don't buy every rose-colored-glasses statement about Hillary now that I am supporting her. There is no perfect candidate. I support Hillary. I don't see the purpose of challenging those who might see her as anything less than the single, most accomplished person the Dems could possibly have put up. Not when this is supposed to be a time of unity.
(And also btw, even though I think one could make a very good argument for Kerry having accomplished more than Hillary, that doesn't necessarily mean I actually would prefer that Kerry was our candidate, either.)
karynnj
(60,161 posts)And that was intentional on your part.
Sorry we all do not agree.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)an attack on other Democrats. I'll bet most Democrats agree completely with my statement. President Obama has been extremely complimentary of Hillary Clinton.
karynnj
(60,161 posts)People are supporting HRC for President. They are arguing her intelligence, skill and abilities. Her accomplishments are being noted against Trump.
It is not needed for people to agree that she is the most accomplished. I would love it if she ultimately beats President Obama in a complishments. At this point, she doesn't but we all hope she has 8 years as President to change that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It depends on what you mean by accomplishment. Political? Legislative? Personal?
Does accomplishment mean one has to agree with them?
Or does an an accomplishment have to be an unvarnished success, or do worthy efforts or partial success count in an overall tally??
Is it only an accomplishment if it is well publicized and flashy?
I'd say Obama has a fairly long list of accomplishments (an understatement) on all levels....He's also shattered an important barrier....He's also sold a lot of books, though Clinton has probably sold more, and made more money at it..
Joe Biden has chalked up a lot of accomplishments over the years too. John Kerry has not been a slouch over his lifetime either....
Politically, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, have accomplished a whole lot over time. There are also many in Congress who have been workhorses, not show horses, but have done a lot behind the scenes, and accomplished a lot for their home districts over the years. Do things like helping a constituent get medical care or stay in their home matter?
Bernie Sanders has accomplished a lot in his lifetime, early on as Mayor and then in Congress -- and he also has accomplished a whole lot in changing the political dialogue nationally..
I don't know which Congressional office holder has the most children and grandchildren, but that could be considered an accomplishment.
You asked 
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)This would be an interesting question to revisit in 8 years. May the best Democrat win! 
KMOD
(7,906 posts)
I think Hillary is going to be great as well.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)can only be a good thing for America.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Can't go wrong there at all.
karynnj
(60,161 posts)I hope HRC will be a great President because that means good things, by our definition will have happened. I would be overjoyed if her accomplishments eclipse Obama's because he is a genuinely great President and that would mean she will have done a huge amount of good?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)my lifetime. I'm certain that Hillary Clinton will be a successful President as well.
I saw a post today, pretty sure it was at the top of the page very, very, very concerned. The OP and posters were concerned that there were no Hill posts or issues being talked about. They are dying to talk about issues!!!!!!
I am so sad my Zika thread fell to the bottom of the page. This is an epidemic yet they never bothered to reply.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Topic threads die quick.
Silly threads that have absolutely no relation to the site, or Democrats, get dozens of recs. 
sheshe2
(90,356 posts)Response to KMOD (Original post)
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KMOD
(7,906 posts)place them above Hillary.
I'll give you President Obama, since he was actually a President, but the rest, meh, they have no where near the accomplishments of Hillary Clinton.
ptownbro
(27 posts)Hillary's well known accomplishments are/was a Democratic presidential nominee, senator, and secretaryof state. Great accomplishments! She's a very accomplished, smart, and capable person. But come one now.... Let's not exaggerate.
Take John Kerry....
http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/johnkerry.html
How can you possibly say she has a more accomplished background.
Democratic presidential nominee like Hillary
Senator like Hillary but much longer
Secretary of state like Hillary
Military with purple heart
Blah blah
Barack...he's the President.
Bernie Senator much longer than Hillary's Senate and SOS career combined , his committee posiroins, mayor
Jerry Brown. Successful CA governor two separate times and multiple re elections.
You can have the last word, but saying she's more accomplished than everyone is ridiculous. And good thing it was framed in "currently serving'
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Yet Hillary has a long record of achievement.
blm
(114,021 posts)No one in the last 5 decades has uncovered and exposed more serious government corruption than John Kerry.
karynnj
(60,161 posts)I'll defend Kerry.
As SoS, he lead on the US/China climate agreement that was thought impossible according to Obama people when he became Secretary. He built on relationships built over decades with people in other countries at the various climate change events. Paris would not have happened without this.
No one advocated more for negotiating with Iran. Clinton was ambivilent. Kerry is seen by the world as the one of the needed keys to getting an agreement along with Zarif. That deal probably avoided a terrible war.
Kerry got 600 tons of chemical weapons out of Syria by negotiating with Lavrov. Syria is a hell hole now, but imagine ISIS had a portion of that.
As a Senator, he investigated the Contras and without his investigation that whole side of the Reagan scandal would never have been as well known. Not to mention, when all of that broke open, the arms and gun running ended. Ever wonder why the crack cocaine epidemic became less intense? He also investigated BCCI resulting in a NYC DA closing OBL 's bank.
He also Incidentially wrote part of the bill that became SCHIP. It started as Kerry/Kennedy when Kennedy wanted legislation that would create a national version of a Massachusetts program. Surely, you consider this an accomplishment as HRC did.
There were also many programs, often with McCain, for veteran benefits and programs. These 2 people did more than anyone else.
Kerry wrote and passed many small business bills that encouraged tech companies and women's businesses. He and Olympia Snowe wrote the bill to rebuild New Orleans.
These are a small subset of his contributions as a Senator. As a lt governor, he was the point man in Dukakis' administration in passing legislation to make the death penalty illegal. He also led the Nortjeast governors conference to enact a cap and trade program that successfully worked against acid rain that was later the model for the GHWB plan.
He also changed the conversation on Vietnam with his eloquence before the SFRC. You could add that he was a war hero, with a silver star, a bronze star with Valor and 3 purple hearts.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)I'm glad that he was rewarded by his appointment as Sec. of State.
pkdu
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MgtPA
(1,022 posts)His stint working and living with the poor in Chicago before he entered politics puts him in a whole other class.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Since he can't run again?
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)"Go ahead, name me one currently serving Democrat that has accomplished more than Hillary Clinton has in her lifetime."
Answer: Barack Obama.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)whole other class
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Some people make me sick.
They simply don't care about stuff like that. 
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)It wasn't something she did to advance her career, or because it was a popular cause (it wasn't) She became involved because it was the right thing to do.
And it shows the kind of person she is, and why I admire her so much, and can't wait to see her become POTUS!
KMOD
(7,906 posts)And I can't wait either. She is going to be an incredible POTUS.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)He is a long time union member.
I asked him...if two people come to you for a job, do you hire the one that actually acts like they want the job, or do you hire the one that acts like he is doing you a favor by taking your lousy job?
chillfactor
(7,694 posts)and I believe now that you are just trying to pick a fight and stir the pot. Hillary is not the only Democrat who has an exemplary record...there are many others.....and by the way...YOU did not list all of Hillary's accomplishments but you expect others to do so.
StrictlyRockers
(3,901 posts)Some (other) people just like to stir the pot.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,901 posts)Well done.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,901 posts)Hillary has a great track record of getting things done to help the people, especially on women's issues and children's issues.
It's so fun to be snarky, though!
it really wasn't my intent.
But some people just cannot accept her record of achievement.
They will bend over backwards to dismiss it.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)But there is no point in making it a contest right now.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)But I don't believe that either has a record that is anyway comparable to Hillary Clinton's.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)War hero. Highly influential Senator for decades. Secretary of State.
blm
(114,021 posts)other lawmaker of the last 5 decades.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Anyone- and that's a whole other kind of cronyism that has been detrimental to a majority of Dems for years. She didn't just talk about what needed to change, she just did it.
karynnj
(60,161 posts)Left college. He hired many woman when he essentially ran a prosecutors office in MA and got funding for the first rape counselling program in a prosecutors office. As Senator he was the leading advocate for Youth build that helped disadvantaged kids finish high school while learning things like constructoon.
He was the only Senator up for reelection to vote against DOMA. He also agreed to testify before Strom Thurmond's committee under oath when the issue of allowing gays to serve had a hearing. His support was strong and unconditional and his service gave him credibility.
You might want to Google the names Seti Warren, who is the mayor of Newton and Alanya Pressley, who is on the Boston City Council. Both started on Kerry's staff and he mentored both.
Back when there were Clarence Thomas hearings, Kerry was one of the few to note how wrong it was that there were only 2 women voting on that. Barbara Mikulski referee to him as a "galihad" supporting women's rights before there were many women in the Senate.
Now, it is true that HRC herself by becoming the first woman President will do more with that act alone, but it is pretty silly to elevate HRC by ignoring the genuinely good records of everyone else.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Downplaying HRCs accomplishments and blaming her for the actions of many men in office to boot. It gets tiresome. She is up there with the best of them.
karynnj
(60,161 posts)Advantage over everyone.
Not all of us agree. The thread was counter productive by design. What is important is that HRC is head and shoulders better than Trump on many many issues and he is a terrible person.
You Clinton advocates have the support of almost all of us who see her as having big pluses and big flaws. Look back to 2004, 2008, or 2012, there were no threads demanding, not just support for the nominee but genufectly before the nominee as the best Democrat.
Both 2004 and 2008 were contentious here. I seriously doubt you would have been happy with a thread that Obama was the best, most talented Democrat. I would bet you STILL thought HRC was better, but knew Obama was better than McCain. In 2004, many many people here wrote constantly that they were holding their noses. Note such a post now would be controversial, not the norm.
I agree getting good things about HRC out is important to better help people advocate for her. Just do not think that is what you are doing with a thread like this.
Note that the contention is SUBJECTIVE and everyone's opinion has the same value. Not to mention they are NOT competing. The fact is Kerry's long, accomplished career is likely to end in January, though he might continue being a force for good outside government. My opinion is that at this moment, he has accomplished more, including much he never got his share of credit for. In addition, some things he did, which were good, we're absolutely against the powers that be. This includes his BCCI and the Contras. Democratic money men were caught in BCCI and most powerful Democrats supported legally aiding the rw thugs known as Contras because they were against leftists. That included the Clintons and Gore.
HRC will have 4 and hopefully 8 years as President to greatly enhance her legacy and I hope for the sake of the world that she will outdo Obama.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Never mind. In not going to guess that you might be jerky enough to call getting 2/3 of Dems voting for you a coronation instead of an actual achievement. I'll just say she is not an heir to anyone and the royalty bullshit is way off the mark.
And that she is performing so well because social justice is not a side issue- it is front and center to the majority of Dems concerns. Anyone who thought otherwise miscalculated.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)It's getting kind of funny that those who are accusing me demanding that HRC has a better record are doing the exact same thing with John Kerry.
Oh, I was initially an HRC supporter in early 2008, but my children and husband inspired me to be a President Obama supporter in early spring and I have been a big supporter ever since.
George Eliot
(701 posts)I just thought of him after reading your post. He didn't "invent" the internet but he certainly brought its use to the fore in government. He was on board very, very early. He would have been a very good President I think.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Thank you bettyellen. It's very tiresome.
blm
(114,021 posts)You certainly don't know much about Kerry. 'Anyway comparable'……surely, you jest.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Just a thought.
democrattotheend
(12,011 posts)I don't think LBJ exactly qualifies as a currently serving Democrat.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)I don't think it is reasonable to criticize Hillary for not accomplishing a lot. She didn't hold office for very long, and so it is not surprising that she didn't accomplish much in the Senate. Most of the reasonable criticism of Clinton that I have seen focuses on her support for bad ideas, e.g., the invasions of Iraq and Libya, or her dishonesty, e.g., sniper fire.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)1. Fought for children and families for 40 years and counting.
2. Helped provide millions of children with health care.
3. Helped get 9/11 first responders the health care they needed.
4. Told the world that “women’s rights are human rights.
5. Stood up for LGBT rights at home and abroad.
6. Helped expand health care and family leave for military families.
7. Negotiated a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm a New York State resident. Hillary was an incredible Senator, especially in the aftermath of 9/11.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I also agree that she had some genuine accomplishments as SOS. She also had some failures as SOS.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I certainly don't expect everyone to agree on everything, but the dismissiveness of her exceptional record is off the wall.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)She has a knack for that.
But yes, tRump is completely unacceptable.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Hopefully she has learned a few lessons from past military mistakes. She is intelligent, she is well-informed, she understands politics, and she genuinely wants to help people. So I will certainly give her a chance to win me over.
KMOD
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lapucelle
(19,820 posts)her work with Lindsay Graham (of all people) to get national guard deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan the same medical and death benefits that regular army gets.
Up until then, people who had signed up for the national guard, found themselves deployed to a foreign countries, and returned home injured were more or less told, "you should have read the fine print, stupid."
Vattel
(9,289 posts)lapucelle
(19,820 posts)My FDNY husband is still alive with good quality of life and affordable medication because of Hillary' efforts.
That's my favorite Hillary senatorial accomplishment.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)for me. Actually give him a great big hug for me.
My friend's husband was FDNY during 9/11.
The heroic efforts they committed to in saving lives, the sorrow they faced in too many funerals, the fear they faced regarding health concerns.
They were the true heroes that day. All of them.
lapucelle
(19,820 posts)that I don't remember ever hearing before.
"One is Clinton’s 2008 claim that she landed in Bosnia in 1996 “under sniper fire” and “ran with our heads down” from the plane. The Washington Post dismantled that claim; video shows that Clinton was greeted not by gunshots but by a crowd of dignitaries that included an 8-year-old Bosnian girl.
But it’s also true that as the plane prepared to descend, security officials gave a spine-chilling briefing of the risks of sniper fire, and Clinton wore body armor in case of shooting."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/opinion/sunday/clintons-fibs-vs-trumps-huge-lies.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=Trending&version=Full
Vattel
(9,289 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)Precautions were made. The flight landed under the concern of sniper fire. Hillary was put into the very safe cockpit and fitted with bullet proof under garments. Chelsea was as well. And though they did not actually come under sniper fire, the threat was there and the precautions for such a scenario were in place.
blm
(114,021 posts)investigated and exposed more government corruption than John Kerry has.
You can't.
HRC as Sec of State also relied on Kerry as Chair of Senate Foreign Relations. Obama trusted him to deal with Pakistan and Iran in his first term - no small task.
So….after serving heroically during VietNam and helping to bring about the political change to get OUT of VietNam, he then, as a freshman senator investigated and exposed IranContra. He then took on the 5 year investigation of BCCI which also brought about the discovery of S&L scandal and CIA drug-running.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)make sure you watch President Obama at the end
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blm
(114,021 posts)seem to want to pretend was of little import to this nation.
You never want to acknowledge when someone gives you the CORRECT answer. You did this before when you made a similar post some months ago.
If you don't WANT a REAL answer then craft your post differently without challenging others. Because the truthful answer is…..Kerry.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Yet you don't seem to know me at all.
I would appreciate it if you didn't make this personal. I don't know you, and you clearly don't know me. Therefore, your post is not only not helpful, it's also clearly rude.
I will talk and share opinions with anyone, but I certainly won't waste my time with hostile people.
Censored curse towards you deleted.
blm
(114,021 posts)And you think OTHERS are being rude for noticing?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)
Clue me in because I'm not following you here.
blm
(114,021 posts)Your reply was watch this video. Try spending a few years in the National Security Archives and then try and dismiss all the heavy lifting and accomplishments of John Kerry.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I am dismissing those to fail to recognize Hillary's accomplishments.
And while John Kerry's efforts are great, they do not compare to Hillary Clinton's accomplishments.
blm
(114,021 posts)Do you not understand what happened in IranContra, BCCI, and CIA drug running investigations?
You really DON'T know, do you?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)What exactly are you going on about?
blm
(114,021 posts)nation's historic record in detail. You just make it apparent that you are uninterested in rEAL accomplishments that have had the greatest effect HISTORICALLY on this nation and its governance.
BTW….What kind of Democrat doesn't understand the import of IranContra, BCCI, S&Ls, and CIA drug running to the 92 election and to this nation's history?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Obviously you believe that John Kerry is the "correct" answer, and he has "real" accomplishments.
But I will tell you, no one has done more for children regarding health care and education, no one has done more for poor students and disabled students, no one has done more for the health of veterans, no one has done more to help women all over the world, than Hillary Clinton. She has a lot of "real" accomplishments as well.
And no, you can't force me to accept that John Kerry is the correct answer.
blm
(114,021 posts)voted on and passed over the last 40 plus years.
Again - no one here can force you to study this nation's ACTUAL recorded history….as it unfolded.
Suit yourself.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)You can have John Kerry as your most accomplished Democrat, I'm not stopping you.
I once again stated the reasons why I believe Hillary is more accomplished. And I'm am not bashing Secretary Kerry.
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blm
(114,021 posts)You don't even know enough to understand that it was Kerry's work exposing IranContra, S&Ls, and BCCI that made Poppy Bush so vulnerable in 92.
No Kerry, no Clinton.
I'm not playing this game with you anymore.
I find you very rude.
Once again, I never dismissed John Kerry's accomplishments. My point is that you seem to be hell bent on me choosing John Kerry's accomplishments over Hillary's. I'm not going to do that. I stated my intentions in post #126, which you've chosen to completely ignore.
karynnj
(60,161 posts)To support the Contras, Iran/Contra would not have been exposed to the degree it was. Kerry fought to get permission to investigate, winning over the unlikely support of Jesse Helmes, who agreed because of the rumors that they were brining in cocaine to fund it with the CIA turning a blind eye.
It was information from that investigation that made a plane crash in central America into proof that was needed on what the CIA was doing.
Do you remember Iran/Contra as an issue in 1992 against GHWB, who actually claimed to have out of the room using the men's room when the Contras were spoken of.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)GHWB was up to his neck in it. I wish that there had been more of a push to put all those pond scum in the pokey.
George Eliot
(701 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)
Not a hawk. I admire his accomplishments. Adding to this response, his service to America in Viet Nam and then his willingness to come home and try to right the ship regarding the mess in Viet Nam showed an early integrity I've always admired. I've never seen a single admonishment or accusation about him. And he's been in service to the country his whole life.
Probably not such a good idea to claim one person is better than any other. The Party has a lot of really good people serving.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I agree with your overall point. But Mr. Lewis did and gave more than almost any living American.
When we lose him it will create an unfillable void.
KMOD
(7,906 posts) DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)We can have plenty of great Democrats with different strengths with it not taking away from Hillary Clinton to talk about them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Well done, KMOD!
KMOD
(7,906 posts) karynnj
(60,161 posts)Neither the Iran deal or the US/China and the Paris Climate Accord would have happened without both of them in the positions they are in now.
George Eliot
(701 posts)Bernie Sanders: (Repost from Daily Kos) This is long so forgive me please and note that I am a Clinton supporter now. For me, personally, his work against the Patriot Act and protection of libraries and his trading his ACA vote for a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans.
Daily Kos:
BERNIE SANDERS: Former student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. Led the first ever civil rights sit-in in Chicago history to protest segregated housing. One of only 2 sitting US Senators to have heard MLK's "I have a Dream Speech" in person in the march on Washington, DC. Former professor of political science at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and at Hamilton College. Former mayor of Burlington, VT. Elected by the state of Vermont 8 times to serve in the House of Representatives. The longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. He was dubbed the "amendment king" in the House of Representatives for passing more amendments than any other member of Congress. Ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee. Author of 2 books, and co-author of 3 others. Has recorded and released a folk music album. Self-described Democratic Socialist. Married to a woman named Jane, who is a former president of Burlington College.
~In a stunning upset in 1981, Sanders wins the mayoral race in Burlington, Vermont's largest city, by a mere 10 votes. Running as an independent, he shocks the city's political establishment by defeating a six-term, local machine mayor.
~During his tenure as mayor, he balanced the city budget, drew a minor league baseball team to Burlington, turned the formerly industrial waterfront into a mixed-use district featuring housing, parks, and public space. Burlington is now reported to be one of the most livable cities in the nation.
~In 1991, he was the first independent elected to the House in 40 years. He will be re-elected by the people of Vermont to serve eight terms.
~Votes against a measure providing President George H. W. Bush with authorization to use military force in the Gulf War. "I have a real fear that the region is not going to be more peaceful or more stable after the war," he says at the time.
~Co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus and chaired the group for its first 8 years.
~In 1992, Congress passes Sanders' first signed piece of legislation to create the National Program of Cancer Registries. All 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insights.
~Voted against the Clinton-era North American Free Trade Agreement, which we now know sent millions of American jobs overseas.
~Sanders is one of only 67 votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. It took 17 years to overturn this Act.
~Standing up against the major pharmaceutical companies, Sanders becomes the first member of Congress to take seniors across the border to Canada to buy lower-cost prescription drugs. The congressman continues his bus trips to Canada with a group of breast cancer patients the following April. These women are able to purchase their medications in Canada for almost one-tenth the price charged in the States.
~Thanks to Sanders' efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees.
~About 10 years before the 2008 Wall Street crash spins the world economy into a massive recession, Sanders votes "no" on a bill to undo decades of financial regulations enacted after the Great Depression. The House passed the bill 362-57 over Sanders' objection.
~Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. "All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms," Sanders says at the time.
~Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could "result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism." We now know that that war was one of the worst foreign policy decisions in our history.
~Sanders passes an amendment in the House to stop the government from obtaining library and book-buying records on Americans.
~Sanders defeats Vermont's richest man, Rich Tarrant, to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Sanders, running as an Independent, is endorsed by the Vermont Democratic Party and supported by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
~Sanders' authored energy efficiency and conservation grant program passes into law. He later secures $3.2 billion in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for the grant program.
~Thanks to Sanders' efforts, funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program funding doubles, helping millions of low-income Americans heat their homes in winter.
~Sanders works with Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to pass an amendment to an economic recovery bill preventing Wall Street banks that take taxpayer bailouts from replacing laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.
~Sanders passes language in the Affordable Care Act to allow states to apply for waivers to implement pilot health care systems by 2017. The legislation allows states to adopt more comprehensive systems to cover more people at lower costs.
~In 2010, President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans. Another $1.5 billion from a Sanders provision went to the National Health Service Corps for scholarships and loan repayment for doctors and nurses who practice in underserved communities.
~Sanders works with Republican Congressman Ron Paul in the House to pass a measure as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill to audit the Federal Reserve, revealing how the independent agency gave $16 trillion in near zero-interest loans to big banks and businesses after the 2008 economic collapse.
~In 2012, he becomes Chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee.
~Sanders, backed by seniors, women, veterans, labor unions and disabled Americans leads a successful effort to stop a "chained-CPI" proposal supported by Congressional Republicans and the Administration to cut Social Security and disabled veterans' benefits.
~Sanders introduces legislation to break up major Wall Street banks so large that the collapse of one could send the overall economy into a downward spiral.
~A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama.
~In 2015, Sanders takes over as ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, using the platform to fight for his economic agenda for the American middle class.
~Sanders votes against the Keystone XL pipeline which would allow multinational corporation TransCanada to transport dirty tar sands oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.
~Both the NAACP and the NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate. Earns a D- from the NRA.
*Info from berniesanders.com
Keep this list handy so that when someone asks what he's done for us lately, you've got your answer ready.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/6/1428616/-Bernie-Sanders-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And that is a distinction that matters to most.
George Eliot
(701 posts)I consider 1100 community health clinics a really big accomplishment. And preventing libraries from the tentacles of the Patriot Act? Others as well. You can parse out the votes which weren't in the majority but don't throw the "accomplishments" out with the "simply good decisions" he made in addition to accomplishments. That's intellectual dishonesty.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What are the relevant, precise and objective measures on which the query is predicated (to better avoid moving goalposts or immediate dismissal of any responses as they are given)?