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Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:15 AM

Tipping Point...and a helluva sight earlier than I would have expected.

I think Trump may have hit his tipping point with the Khan comments. My Facebook feed has a whole bunch of people who do not normally say negative things about him outraged over those comments. I have thought that he would eventually add a little too much to his negative pile and people would start turning against him.

I just thought it would take longer than one day after the Democratic convention.

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Reply Tipping Point...and a helluva sight earlier than I would have expected. (Original post)
renie408 Jul 2016 OP
C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #11
riversedge Jul 2016 #27
lapucelle Jul 2016 #28
Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #32
Glimmer of Hope Jul 2016 #2
Hapstinna Jul 2016 #30
Glimmer of Hope Jul 2016 #43
maxsolomon Jul 2016 #44
piechartking Jul 2016 #3
spooky3 Jul 2016 #5
KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #22
spooky3 Jul 2016 #31
KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #34
NNadir Jul 2016 #4
renie408 Jul 2016 #6
Cicada Jul 2016 #7
renie408 Jul 2016 #9
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #17
riversedge Jul 2016 #29
RonniePudding Jul 2016 #25
treestar Jul 2016 #38
landolfi Jul 2016 #8
renie408 Jul 2016 #10
lark Jul 2016 #12
renie408 Jul 2016 #16
lonestarnot Jul 2016 #13
Stuart G Jul 2016 #14
barbtries Jul 2016 #15
Fritz Walter Jul 2016 #18
Sugarcoated Jul 2016 #20
Fritz Walter Jul 2016 #45
Moonwalk Jul 2016 #19
calimary Jul 2016 #21
renie408 Jul 2016 #23
Moonwalk Jul 2016 #37
63splitwindow Jul 2016 #24
Dem2 Jul 2016 #26
Moonwalk Jul 2016 #33
renie408 Jul 2016 #36
Moonwalk Jul 2016 #39
renie408 Jul 2016 #41
Dem2 Jul 2016 #40
Invidious15 Jul 2016 #35
ehrnst Jul 2016 #42
Silent3 Jul 2016 #46

Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:20 AM

1. But... but... nude Melania !!

I agree... Trump's gone about as vile as it gets.
And he's desperate. You may want a raincoat
to keep all the incoming spittle away.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:16 AM

11. Oh, now I know why Murdoch published them (NYPost): distract from Trump's Khan debacle. Thx. . .nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:15 PM

27. Yes, it so obvious.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 PM

28. What kind of person arranges to have nude pictures of his wife and 10 year old son's mother

published in the Sunday edition of a tabloid rag as a distraction from his own misdeeds?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:18 PM

32. I think that question kind of answers itself...

dontcha think?

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:23 AM

2. I just watched the interview and his response not only comes across as insensitive but bizarre.

Wtf is wrong with him?!!

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Response to Glimmer of Hope (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 PM

30. More to the point

WTF is wrong with people who continue to support this moron? Unfortunately, I am embarrassed to say some of these people are even in my own family.

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Response to Hapstinna (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:06 PM

43. I know! You can't defend or support these kinds of statements without having some serious character

flaws. I don't know any of his supporters and I am thankful about that.

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Response to Hapstinna (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:13 PM

44. Its likely they don't pay attention to the daily argy-bargy of the campaign

Or they get their news only from RW sources.

Simply put, they don't hear the things that disqualify Trump from consideration.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:29 AM

3. Just like an asshole eventually turns people off

I've always hoped that eventually there would be enough "asshole" moments to turn off most of the country.

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Response to piechartking (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:36 AM

5. Trump is like the drunk at the party who is entertaining at first

But quickly becomes obnoxious as his behavior gets more and more out of control.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:02 PM

22. That, my friend, is a very apt simile. Sincere hat tip! - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:18 PM

31. Thank you!

I just hope the other partygoers find him obnoxious soon!

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:25 PM

34. oh, they will. Attacking a Gold Star mother? Even the white male

 

Demographic is going to start abandoning ship now. Or, to carry on your conceit, surreptitiously dialing Uber on their cell phones and slinking away without saying their farewells.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:34 AM

4. Hopefully. It's disturbing though, that he got this far with his racist and violent appeals. It...

...hasn't shown the American people in a great light that he is the nominee of a major, albeit increasingly racist, party.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:40 AM

6. I honestly think a lot of people don't REALLY pay attention

until after the conventions. It is just background noise. They go by what friends they trust are saying or family members. But most people don't get into it until late summer early Fall. Which is why I am kinda surprised that so many of the people that have been sitting quietly on the sidelines are taking notice this early.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:48 AM

7. Trump voters don't care about insults to muslim parents

Trump voters hate Muslims and any other foreigners. So Trump being cruel to these parents makes them happy. Trump knows his market. That's why he does this kind of stuff. You think Trump regrets his Mexican judge comments? He could care less about us NPR listeners who get outraged by his cruelty to non whites.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:52 AM

9. Well, at least one Trump voter does.

Because this morning he had a link to an article about the Khan comments and posted that they are disgusting. And yesterday he was pro Trump. I also had several people that I hadn't known which way they went, liking and commenting on my anti-Trump stuff, particularly that about the Khans.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:30 AM

17. His cray base would not be affected. But this will taint him

From the more "reasonable" repugs. He can't win with just his cray cray base.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 PM

29. Khan asked the Ryan and McConnell repudiate Trump. So far,Silence.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:07 PM

25. Of course, but the khans weren't invited to speak to woo "Trump voters"

 

Any more then Michael Bloomberg was there to sway "Trump voters".

They were there, particularly Bloomberg, to speak to Indys, soft repubs and centrists who aren't on the trump train.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:34 PM

38. He can't win with those people alone

The mass who pay little attention until well into the election season are not going to like any of that.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:48 AM

8. Agreed, and now it's time

to go after the deafening silence in Republican leadership. I knew Ryan and McConnell were parasites on vermin, but even thieves and liars depend on decency at some point. Where are their lawyer-crafted templated responses expressing their outrage? As Khan said, this is a moral, not a political issue.

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Response to landolfi (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:53 AM

10. I think we will see them turn before it is all over.

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Response to landolfi (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:18 AM

12. They are in hiding

too chicken to tell the truth, the worm vermin

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Response to lark (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:22 AM

16. At some point they have to save themselves.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:00 AM

13. Cow tipping roadkill very delicious.

 

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:04 AM

14. k and r..nt

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:18 AM

15. he is not well.

he cannot help himself. i am thankful for that much. this morning i had a little fantasy in which he walked away from the campaign, finally remanding the republican party to where it belongs, in the dustbin of history. sigh. with the corporate media so far into the tank for the right wing, that will probably not come true. but my confidence is high that trump will never be president.

we just need to get out the VOTE

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:33 AM

18. Not so fast!

If you click on the trending topics (on the right side of the desktop home page of FB), you'll see a number of related posts/articles from media sites as well as your friends. The comments on the media sites are quite revealing. Assuming for the moment that they are not a bunch of Russian trolls, the blind hatred appearing in those comments confirms what we should have known all along: Drumpf's followers do not care about facts, and do not have one shred of decency, let alone empathy toward the Khan family. Other FB users who try to refute their positions come under immediate attack.

The scariest part is that a lot of these sheeple plan to vote.

As much as we'd like to think of this as an early "October surprise," we must remain steadfast, and most importantly...

GOTV!!

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:53 AM

20. Really

I'm on FB a lot and check out the discussions beneath the articles and I've seen 99% of the comments appalled at Trump's comments. Very, very few defenders.

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Response to Sugarcoated (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:28 PM

45. I should know better

...than clicking on posts from CNN, USA Today and other media outlets, but curiosity got the better of me. I kept clicking on 'show more comments' until all comments were on the screen.
After the first dozen or so comments supporting Drumpf and his most recent statement, I moved on. But not before seeing one numbskull telling someone to pick a third-world country for her deportation after the election. Just because she disagreed with him.
It was at that point that I closed that page and came here this morning.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:39 AM

19. This is good to see, but let's make sure it doesn't tip back...

...I think Clinton has gotten into the swing of things, and now knows how to express her message so that it resonates, and makes everyone feel included, and part of a real movement with real power. Even those who are currently on the fence and thinking of going with Trump. I think, now, that she and her super team can change minds willing to be changed.

But we still have 90 odd days to go. And neither the Republicans, nor the media they control, nor Trump play fair. They will try every dirty trick in the book--including, as we've seen, getting Russians to hack us. They will, undoubted do their best to shove the cameras off Trump's errors and onto something they can blow out of all proportion in the Clinton campaign or among her voters.

Trump won't necessarily be all that much of a help because he is a loose cannon and can shoot himself in the foot without warning. But we still have to be alert and ready with water buckets to put out the fires these arsonists will try to start. Mr. Khan, brave gentleman, has given us momentum through August. We need to find other stories and ways of carrying that momentum through September and October. We can do this!

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:00 PM

21. It's called "rat-fucking."

And it's been going on for decades. HOWEVER, I've never heard or seen or even conceived that it would get to a level like this. I mean - this is no break-in of the DNC offices. This is no exploitive Willie Horton race-baiting campaign. This is allowing a well-known, well-documented, well-recognized adversarial foreign entity to meddle in our elections for the political gain of one of the candidates. NOBODY that I can recall ever invited the Russians to step in and stir things up on behalf of one candidate on one side. Hell, this is THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF who did the inviting! On live television!

I've never seen anything like this. It just freakin' Blows. My. Mind.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:03 PM

23. I hear you

But barring something REALLY ugly coming to light about Hillary, I don't think it will ever swing back far enough to his side. He doesn't have a good way to come back.

I will not get complacent. I do not want to beat Trump, I WANT TO CRUSH HIM. I want to beat him so badly that Republicans sit up and pay attention and quit running asshats.

Unlike a lot of people here (and I am going to get reamed, I know), I don't think it is healthy for the country for the GOP to be as dysfunctional as it is.

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Response to renie408 (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:32 PM

37. It's not good for the country at all for the GOP to be like this, I totally agree....

...but it's been snowballing into this since the Dixie-crats left the Democratic Party in protest over Civil Rights and joined up with Goldwater Republicans. Their racism combined with militant states rights (read: "we get to segregate if we want!" with that "blow enemies to bits" mentality has been building ever since into this perfect storm. It's time to put a stop to it once and for all. Both parties ough to be sane and run by sane people.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:05 PM

24. He WILL go lower, it is his nature. This limbo party is not over, in fact it just started...

 

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:10 PM

26. I don't think he has a tippng point

His fans will make up excuses as to why his comments were acceptable, but I do think there is a tiny nibbling effect that will add up and ensure his demise this fall.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:22 PM

33. Say instead that he doesn't have a tipping point for his rabid fans, but that's true of all cults...

...The leader can do anything to anybody including his followers, and they will excuse it and believe him right every time.

Fortunately for us, not all American voters, not even a majority (knock wood) have joined the cult. A lot of those making noise about voting for Trump are still in the "checking out the cult" phase--not the "I've sold my house, left my family, and decided to give myself, body and soul, to the cult."

These people going to cult meetings but not yet full members can be lured back out. Or at least made to question whether they really want to commit. But we can't let up for a second in their "de-programming." The more uneasy they feel about Trump thanks to people like Mr. Khan, and facts on Trump's scams, the more likely they may be to change their minds about voting for him.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:32 PM

36. Exactly

I am in a fairly rural area of North Carolina about 40 minutes east of Charlotte. This area is VERY conservative. I can think of ONE Trump yard sign that we know of. We NEVER see Trump bumper stickers. I don't think people so much support Trump around here as they don't support Hillary. I don't think it would take much to turn people off.

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Response to renie408 (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:37 PM

39. Well I'm perfectly happy for them to stay home and not vote at all...

...if they can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary So long as they don't vote for Trump, I'll consider that good enough.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:52 PM

41. I think that's where a lot of these people will be.

They despise Trump, but hate Hillary. They are life long Republicans who do not recognize their party any more. I talk to some of clients as delicately as possible because its a fine line when you run a small, local business. I literally don't know any Trump supporters in 'real' life and have very few of them on my FB.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:42 PM

40. My plan is to loudly denounce Trump in public places

Popularity is fickle - perception is reality. I've let them rant while just smiling up until now.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:27 PM

35. Another day, another outrage...

Yet we still have the media going to great lengths to portray Hillary and The Ludicrous Tangerine Ballbag* as being equally flawed. The Philadelphia Inquirer splashed shit like this on the front page of today's issue:

"We've never seen anything like this, ever, where you see both candidates so damaged--usually candidates with those types of negatives don't get nominations."

This quote, attributed to a pollster from Muhlenberg College, was included in a headline banner piece by a member of the Inquirer staff,

To this I say: Are you fucking serious?. The headline title "Contrast and Compare" is a joke, right? Hillary damaged by what? The shit the GOP has pulled out of their asses and thrown at her over the last 20+ years?

Fine job, Inquirer. Keep up the great work.

*Wish I'd thought of that. It's from a tweet in response to Trump's Golf course performance in Scotland.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:03 PM

42. I, for one, am grateful and proud that it was the Democratic Party that brought their story

to the world. When all is said and done, we are the party that does the most to move this country forward.

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Response to renie408 (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:15 PM

46. A guy I friended on Facebook, because of a connection through hiking...

...turned out to be pretty conservative after I accepted his friend request. He wasn't overtly pro-Trump, but he'd bashed Clinton some, and when he wasn't posting about hiking, his humor was on the good-ol' boy side, and he was the kind of guy who couldn't resist responding to #BlackLivesMatter with #AllLivesMatter or #BlueLivesMatter.

Trump's Khan remarks clearly pushed him too far. He reacted angrily to that yesterday, and he went full #ImWithHer today.

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