Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:29 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
Poetic Fucking Justice: Trump is being brought down by a
Muslim-American. It is positively Shakespearean now. Mr. khan's son died in that shitbag of a war so that Trump's name would now and forever be associated with "shirker." I hope the entire fucking Republican Party goes down the tubes with Trump. They deserve nothing less.
God damn John McCain for not speaking out. There is not a single honorable one left among them.
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oberliner | Jul 2016 | #1 | |
nolabear | Jul 2016 | #2 | |
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Bernardo de La Paz | Jul 2016 | #86 | |
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oberliner | Jul 2016 | #7 | |
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cheapdate | Jul 2016 | #72 | |
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:31 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
1. He's not being brought down
His rabid fans agree with him and applaud him for not being politically correct.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:34 PM
nolabear (41,104 posts)
2. I don't know. They might but I'll bet a few had to swallow hard.
I'd like to hear what some have to say, frankly. I note there's quite a silence from over there.
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Response to nolabear (Reply #2)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:36 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
6. Mitt Romney should endorse Gary Johnson
That would be a game changer, possibly.
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Response to nolabear (Reply #2)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:26 AM
BigDemVoter (4,113 posts)
71. I think you're right.
There are some who are still sitting on the fence, which I find completely unbelievable, but some of them could very well be turned off by more of his antics.
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Response to nolabear (Reply #2)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:48 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (45,600 posts)
86. It's very sick at the FReak site, but even a few there
Even a few at the FReak show for example are saying things like
Trump isn’t running against the Khans, he’s running against the Clintons. He’s stupid to get into an argument with the Khans. Steph baited him and Trump took the bait instead of changing the subject to Hillary. I’m voting for trump but I really don’t like him {I’m voting for Trump but I can’t stand him. -- written in another post.}
84 posted on 2016-07-31, 12:13:18 AM by WilliamIII The Lame Cherry site is proposing that the Khan's son was a suicide bomber. I kid you not. http://conservativeangle.com/was-khzir-khans-son-a-suicide-bomber/ But yeah, it is noteworthy that there is not more conservative commentary about the Trump-Khan feud. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:36 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
5. Trump is now attacking Khan's wife. Only the white nationalists
will stay with him now. You cannot make this shit up.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #5)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:37 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
7. As Trump said, he could shoot someone on the street and not lose support
His fans are not going anywhere, no matter what he says or does.
Most of them believe Obama is a secret Muslim, and that all Muslims are secretly disloyal. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #7)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:41 PM
stopbush (24,173 posts)
10. Trump can say whatever he wants. We don't have to believe it's true,
and neither do we have to confirm the media narrative that he can say or do anything he pleases without repercussion.
These latest comments may well be the equivalent of him shooting someone on 5th Avenue. We'll see just how much teflon he has left after this. |
Response to stopbush (Reply #10)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
13. Of course what he says is not true
However, he does say and do anything he pleases without repercussion. That is not just a media narrative. The folks in the media actually have been wrong pretty much every step of the way on that score.
I remember when he made his comments about McCain, everyone in the media was saying he'd be done. But it didn't quite work out that way. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #13)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:32 AM
cheapdate (3,811 posts)
72. Have to agree with everything you've said.
Trump voters don't care about anything you, me, the media, DU, or anyone else says. And the number of sane conservative voters who will peel off and not vote GOP is small.
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Response to cheapdate (Reply #72)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:37 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
74. If only Gary Johnson had his act together
A more appealing Libertarian candidate would have a shot at pulling some of those sane conservative voters away from Trump.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #74)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:41 AM
cheapdate (3,811 posts)
75. Right again. Alas, he doesn't.
Response to oberliner (Reply #74)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:25 AM
Onyrleft (344 posts)
77. Sane libertarians?
Sane Randroids? Libertarianism may be selfish and greedy enough to appeal to sophmoric twentysomethings; but it's never growing into a philosophy for grownups.
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Response to Onyrleft (Reply #77)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:17 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
100. Sane in relation to Trump
Obviously there is a contingent of semi-reasonable people who are not Democrats but who are disgusted by Trump for one reason or another, but will never vote for Hillary. It would be great if there was a candidate that those voters could gravitate towards to help keep Trump's numbers down.
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Response to stopbush (Reply #10)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:36 AM
TeamPooka (22,762 posts)
53. When he shoots someone on 5th Ave...
I'm betting it's Chris Christie.
He's totally expendable to Trump. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #7)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
12. Trump attacked Mrs. Khan for not speaking at the Convention. It never ocurred to him that
she might be too grief-stricken to speak. Translation: he's an inhuman monster, incapable of feeling or even simulating empathy. I expect the polling next week to show the bottom falling out of his campaign. He might even drop out in 1-2 weeks.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #12)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
15. But his people always figure out a way to make excuses for him
He made fun of John McCain for being a POW, for crying out loud.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:49 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
21. McCain was an insider. Mrs. Khan is a GoldStar mother. I think all but the
Aryan Nation folk are going to desert the sinking ship. But I hear ya.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #21)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:57 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
23. Fox News did not even show the Khan speech
You have to remember that they have an alternate version of reality on their side.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #23)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:00 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
28. I hear ya. Maybe i read the NY Times too much. - nt
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #28)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:03 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
31. To me, the key is to rally our side to turn out in massive numbers
Let's not worry too much about Trump and his fans. Let's focus on getting more Latinos and African-Americans, for instance, to register and to vote. Hillary wins big if those communities vote in large numbers.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #31)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:13 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
42. Good point! - nt
Response to oberliner (Reply #31)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:40 PM
LakeArenal (26,447 posts)
133. Always the best strategy
Keep your mind on your own game.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #7)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
Zambero (8,338 posts)
14. His fans are subset of stupid and/or ignorant whites
That leaves thinking whites and most everyone else against him. Diversity will carry the day.
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Response to Zambero (Reply #14)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:45 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
16. If the election were held today, he'd win the white vote by double digits
He'd win the white male vote by 20+ percent.
Scary, I know, but it's true. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #16)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:07 AM
Zambero (8,338 posts)
35. It doesn't make me too proud to be a white male these days
I don't quite understand the level of support he gets with my demographic. Lyndon Johnson offered an interesting comment, not quoted exactly, but along the lines of "Show me the lowest white man who can be convinced that he is superior to a black man, and I'll show you someone whose pocket I can pick". That at least partially explains the so-called southern strategy and how southern whites and more than a few up north have been conned into supporting a party that does not represent their best interests. "Identity politics" is an interesting phenomena, and I am very thankful not to have been pulled into it.
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Response to Zambero (Reply #35)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
46. It is very depressing
That sentiment you cited from LBJ is still relevant today certainly.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:09 AM
calimary (75,913 posts)
38. She's just another in what seems like a continuing series of broken hearts.
Dear God - another mother in agony. Just agony. You could hear her trying to keep her composure during the Lawrence O'Donnell interview. I was, too. I cried like a colicky baby for 35 straight minutes - which is how long their interview lasted. I just could not stop crying. Hell, I'm crying right now as I write this.
Shit. SO many mothers - in agony. This sweet, sweet lady. The "Mothers of the Movement." The mothers. It's the mothers who rip my heart to pieces. Because I can't help but think of MY son. And MY daughter. Can anyone imagine having their precious baby torn from them forever? I just wanted to hold her and hold her and hold her. And to have that ASSHOLE whine about how much HE'S suffered, too... He has no soul. Truly, Tony Schwartz was right. He's the ghostwriter of "The Art of the Deal." He was on that same Lawrence O'Donnell show, following that interview with Mr. and Mrs. Khan. He characterized Donald Trump as such a damaged human being he's like a black hole. Just me-me-me, sucking up all the attention he can get, no matter what kind, as long as it's attention on him. A black hole. Sometimes I wish I knew where I could find a genie lamp. One you'd rub and then the genie would be released, and would grant a wish. I wish I could wish all those lost babies back to their mothers' arms. Starting with Mrs. Khan. |
Response to calimary (Reply #38)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:29 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
49. Thank you for this. My paroxysms of rage have also been strangely
interrupted by crying too. I cannot gloat, but I take no small satisfaction in watching karma play itself out before our very eyes.
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Response to calimary (Reply #38)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:31 PM
MyOwnPeace (16,418 posts)
123. Beautiful comment..........
"I just wanted to hold her and hold her and hold her."
Me, I just wanted to grab Drump's throat and hold and hold - and I normally do NOT believe in violence. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:46 AM
Orcrist (73 posts)
76. Wish you were right but
I live in Alabama and the rank and file down here will not abandon him over this. Sad to say but it's true. They will not care if he mocks a Muslim couple no matter how honorably their son gave his life for this country.
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Response to Orcrist (Reply #76)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:36 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
91. I have relatives in Auburn-Opelika. I will have to check in
With them. Altho they are mostly university types, so probly not representative of the state.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:40 PM
Zambero (8,338 posts)
9. His 35% floor will stick with him
Above that, his soft support has begun to melt away. And the Russian mess he's stepped into will further erode his campaign. Not to mention the fact that he is fundamentally lazy and cannot be motivated to engage in a winning campaign.
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Response to Zambero (Reply #9)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:41 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
11. Hopefully it will be a Hillary Clinton landslide victory
I am just constantly amazed at how he is able to say the most outlandish things and still maintain his support and be taken seriously as a candidate who is within a few points of Hillary.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #11)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:48 PM
politicaljunkie41910 (3,335 posts)
20. I could think of nothing better than the election being called before the polls can close
in California. It would be poetic justice. I decidedly lopsided victory for Hillary and a resounding defeat for the King of the KNOW NOTHINGS.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #11)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:58 PM
Zambero (8,338 posts)
24. The media hasn't weighed in much on his style and mannerisms
Arrogant, brash, boastful, rude, insulting. What he says is one one thing, but the way in which he delivers it is even more off-putting
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Response to Zambero (Reply #24)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:00 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
29. That's what his supporters like about him
As far as I am concerned, the key to HRC winning this election is not in trying to reach out to Republicans, but in turning out the "Obama Coalition" voters in massive numbers. Register more Latinos and African-Americans and Muslims.
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Response to Zambero (Reply #24)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:18 AM
Stonepounder (4,033 posts)
48. Note that Dan Rather called him on his statments,
even recalling the ghost of McCarthyism...ending his note with, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
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Response to Zambero (Reply #24)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:49 AM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
82. The news media made Trump
During the primaries on msnbc and cnn they followed Trump 24/7 and reported every hateful word he uttered.
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Response to Zambero (Reply #24)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:14 PM
Kathy M (1,242 posts)
118. can I add manipulative , deceiptful , liar and more ........
Response to oberliner (Reply #11)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:12 AM
calimary (75,913 posts)
41. I want her to carve him up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
The election's in November. It'd be so appropriate.
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Response to calimary (Reply #41)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:24 AM
sarae (3,284 posts)
102. hah!!
It would be the best Thanksgiving ever.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
StraightRazor (260 posts)
17. Sadly you are absolutely correct...
in fact most of his followers go even further than he did - the vitriol on his Twitter feed is astounding.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:04 AM
AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)
32. He's going down. He can't win with just his rabid fans.
This will alienate him from the sane(er) folks on the right.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:15 AM
radical noodle (7,782 posts)
44. We tend to forget that the people who support him
feel the same way about Muslims (and Mexicans and African Americans and everyone else who isn't white and Christian). That's why he gets by with it. He's saying the things that they are dying to say but they know some of their friends would absolutely be appalled.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #44)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:36 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
52. Exactly
Well said. Couldn't agree more. Scary but true.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:33 AM
Enoki33 (1,542 posts)
50. The sad thing is
they do not seem to know the difference between being political incorrect and moral bankruptcy.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:13 AM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
67. LOL.....his rabid fans aren't nearly enough for him to win.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #67)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:25 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
70. He only needs enough in a few states
That's what is important to remember.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #70)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:52 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (45,600 posts)
87. That's not enough. Look at the electoral map projections.
Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:34 AM
DeltaLitProf (764 posts)
79. Except . . .
. . . presidential races are won and lost with independent voters. Trump's attacks on this couple are going to lose him more percentage points of this bloc than he can afford.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:33 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (45,600 posts)
85. Trump's rabid fans are a lost cause. Trump is losing the middle. . . . nt
Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:32 AM
Demsrule86 (66,397 posts)
89. They are not enough to get him elected nt.
Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:35 AM
RBInMaine (13,570 posts)
90. His rabid fans would vote for Satan. But to moderate Indies, Trump is TOAST over this issue.
Response to RBInMaine (Reply #90)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:25 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
96. He is definitely not toast over this issue
It will blow over and be forgotten in a few days like everything else (Melania plagiarizing, Judge of Mexican descent, McCain, etc)
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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:42 AM
treestar (81,508 posts)
112. His rabid fans are a minority
He can't win with them alone.
And some of them will reconsider. The military is sacred to the right wing. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:22 AM
Politicub (12,148 posts)
115. There's nothing he could do that will turn his fans off
It's everyone else -- those in the middle -- that need to be convinced that this wild-eyed madman can never be the leader of the free world.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #115)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:23 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
116. There is no one in the middle
That is my assertion.
The key is for us to get our side to vote in huge numbers. To register more African-Americans, Latinos, etc. and do everything possible to make it easy for them to vote. That's how we win. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #116)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:52 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
120. Not being snarky, but do you have qny data to support your assertion? I had
always proceeded as though each party enjoyed roughly 40% support with the battleground being the 20% of independent voters. But I would be extremely hard-pressed to source my claim were you to ask me.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #120)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:30 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
121. Fair question
I would need to dig a little deeper into the most recent polling data.
From my experience so far in following this election, it does not seem that there are a lot of people who are torn between voting for Trump and voting for Clinton. It seems that the "undecideds" are either right-wingers who don't like Trump, aren't comfortable voting for him, but will never vote for Hillary, and left-wingers who don't like Hillary, but would never vote for Trump. But I am open to seeing data that belies these observations. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #121)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:19 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
135. Your take makes as much or more sense than mine. - nt
Response to oberliner (Reply #1)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jack from Charlotte (2,354 posts)
117. It's not his..."rabid fans".... we're trying to sway.....
It's the next 5-10% of supporters......Some of whom can be picked off, we're trying to get.
Forget the rabids. Give us 2,3,5% points of those discussed by him and.... The play, sir is over. |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:35 PM
onecaliberal (29,948 posts)
3. Nope. None of them fit to clean my khans toilet
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:35 PM
Person 2713 (3,263 posts)
4. Whole party should go down Let's pull the plug on this dying behemoth party of hate
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Response to Person 2713 (Reply #4)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:47 PM
marybourg (11,607 posts)
19. No. Let him be the candidate.
He is the worst candidate in U.S. history. And the Publicans own him. Why would we want to see him removed and replaced with someone better (since there's no-one worse)?
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Response to marybourg (Reply #19)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:52 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
22. Thomas E. Dewey (1948) gives Trump a run for his money for worst candidate in
U.S. history. But I take your point.
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Response to marybourg (Reply #19)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:59 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
26. He is definitely not the worst candidate in U.S. history
Do you remember George Wallace?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:07 AM
Charles Bukowski (1,132 posts)
36. Trump is worse than Wallace.
Trump is a bigot AND an imbecile.
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Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #36)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:12 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
40. Wallace was a true believer
Trump is full of crap.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #40)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:35 AM
Charles Bukowski (1,132 posts)
51. Disagree, but that still makes Trump a racial opportunist
Not much better. Throw in the fact that Dimwitted Donald would lose a debate to Palin, and you have very clearly the worst presidential nominee in US history. Hand down.
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Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #51)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:40 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
54. He is definitely that
But there have been many such opportunists who have run for president. And there have been many people with viewpoints more vile and loathsome. It doesn't take away from Trump's awfulness to say that there have been others.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #40)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:33 AM
BigDemVoter (4,113 posts)
73. Good point.
Wallace actually believe all that racist superiority crap. Trump doesn't believe in anything except ripping people off and looking out for himself. He hasn't had one moment during this entire election cycle (or ever?) where he's taken responsibility for something he's done. He either denies or or blames it on somebody else--Just like a a spoiled, awful brat.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:11 AM
JTFrog (14,274 posts)
39. For fuck's sake quit giving the guy so much credit. nt
Response to oberliner (Reply #26)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:13 AM
marybourg (11,607 posts)
43. I remember Mr Wallace very well,
but he was not a major party candidate. Although he ran for the Dem ticket, he wasn't nominated and ran on the American Independent ticket. And honestly, it's a close question who's worse. Wallace was only crazy in one way and he eventually renounced his raciest views. Trump is completely unfit in almost every possible way.
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Response to marybourg (Reply #43)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:15 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
45. There have been a lot of awful people who have been candidates for POTUS
That's the only point I want to make.
Trump is certainly spectacularly awful, but there have been others. Candidates have run for President explicitly supporting slavery, for instance. |
Response to marybourg (Reply #19)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:01 AM
Person 2713 (3,263 posts)
30. The dying behemoth of hate I'm referring to is the Republican Party . Let trump take it to Hades!
Response to Person 2713 (Reply #4)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:48 AM
MADem (135,425 posts)
58. Hell no--that hate-filled gasbag is a GIFT.
He is a gift that will deliver unto us the White House, and will depress turnout to benefit us in downticket races.
He is a lovely present from the GOP, wrapped up in bright, racist, bigoted paper and tied with a homophobic bow. Shove that plug back in, we can pull it in November. |
Response to MADem (Reply #58)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:53 AM
Person 2713 (3,263 posts)
60. Behemoth of hate I'm talking about is the republican party . Trump can lead to a dem sweep and
the whole dying republican party can be left in ashes
He may be thier figurehead , but the whole party is a big hate machine IMO and not just since trump |
Response to Person 2713 (Reply #60)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:00 AM
MADem (135,425 posts)
63. They've been inching their way down Whig Road for years.
They've managed to forestall the inevitable with cheating, with screwing with electronic voting, with voter caging, with reduced polling places in largely Dem districts, with restrictive registration/voter ID laws...but the bottom line is, they're losing voters who aren't angry and white and feeling "put upon" by having to share the High Road of Privilege with those women and minorities.
As they approach their tipping point all I can do is smile--it can't happen soon enough to suit me. |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:38 PM
fleabiscuit (4,542 posts)
8. If Dump falls in a forest, does it make a tweet?
Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #8)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
mjjoe (260 posts)
18. Sadly, yes
First he will deny that he ever fell and instead insist that he knocked over trees with his "best ever" bare hands. There will be follow up tweets about Hillary Clinton rigging the forest floor to make him trip over tree roots. Sad!!
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:59 PM
Charles Bukowski (1,132 posts)
25. On the same week the Democrats
deliver a masterful convention in Philly (even Republicans praised it) Trump commits treason, and then attacks the mother and father of a fallen infantryman.
Paul Ryan must be downing pepto-bismol by the gallon right now. |
Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #25)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:05 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
34. I tried to post a picture of the world's smallest violin, but it is
too small to see here.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #34)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:44 AM
Charles Bukowski (1,132 posts)
56. I hear ya
May the stench of Clown Donald stay with these assholes for all eternity.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:59 PM
AllyCat (14,480 posts)
27. We need to tie tRump's albatross around the necks of every Republican running for office this year.
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:04 AM
still_one (87,957 posts)
33. not sure he is being brough down, but there were republilcans who refused to attend the republican
convention, and refused to endorse trump. Granted, it wasn't the majority of republicans, but there were some, Kasich comes to mind. You are also right, McCain has no honor. After the insults bush hurled at him in 2000, and trump hurled at him this time, and he still bends his knee.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:08 AM
Dopers_Greed (2,634 posts)
37. This feud he's trying to start with the Khans is going to be his undoing
Even though I've been consistency surprised by how many things have NOT been his undoing so far.
I think this is it. |
Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #37)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
47. He could get away with attacking McCain's heroism, since McCain was and is a
Washington insider.But atfacking a (non-insider) Gold Star Mother??? That is going to be it for all but the KKK cohort.
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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #37)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:31 AM
sarae (3,284 posts)
105. At the very least it should peel away every Trump supporter
who isn't a white supremacist. I don't know how someone can justify supporting him unless they truly believe white people are superior.
IMO, everything he's done to this point makes him an unmitigated racist, but maybe some people will see this as the last straw. |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:42 AM
NBachers (15,982 posts)
55. Trump is KKKarl Rove's perfect stepson
He puts out an outrageous lie or verbal atrocity. By the time everyone starts to lambaste him for it, he has put out five more of the same. Each one overrides the previous one for attention. And none of them matter to his supporters. They don't operate on truth, fairness, or reality.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:45 AM
MADem (135,425 posts)
57. KASICH spoke out--he condemned Trump's comments.
So...there's ONE. https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/759574122221432832
John KasichVerified account @JohnKasich There's only one way to talk about Gold Star parents: with honor and respect. Capt. Khan is a hero. Together, we should pray for his family. Someone needs to corner McCain and force him to answer. ![]() |
Response to MADem (Reply #57)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:03 AM
JustAnotherGen (30,599 posts)
88. When he didn't show at their convention
Was the start of his 2020 campaign.
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Response to MADem (Reply #57)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:29 PM
llmart (14,500 posts)
125. Wow! I love that sign.
Those should be on lawns everywhere.
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Response to MADem (Reply #57)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:51 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
127. I want one of those signs!
I could think of a few more choice adjectives to add to it though.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:50 AM
Cha (286,492 posts)
59. So, a Muslim-American couple of uncommon valor may play a crucial role in bringing down Donald Trump
![]() ✔ @JeffreyGoldberg So, a Muslim-American couple of uncommon valor may play a crucial role in bringing down Donald Trump. God has a great sense of humor. 9:37 AM - 30 Jul 2016 3,033 3,033 Retweets 5,451 5,451 likes ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to Cha (Reply #59)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:55 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
61. I think Trump may have to drop out because of this. Just a vague presentiment
at this point, a vague tickling of the hair on the back of my neck.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #61)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:13 AM
Person 2713 (3,263 posts)
68. He has said bag loads of nasty. Let him bring the whole party down with him in a Nov sweep
instead
If his voters haven't been offended yet I doubt this is the end of thier fan club nd the media knows they have a 100 days more of batshit crazy with good ratings so they won't push for him to step down via journalism IMO He is a train wreck but I think he judged his crowd right when he said something like he could shoot a guy and still have voters The remaining cesspool of republican trump voters need a reality check with a landslide and down ticket sweep come Nov |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #61)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:35 AM
sarae (3,284 posts)
108. He'd better take the whole party with him.
As someone posted a few days ago, "You broke it, you bought it."
There's no justice in this world if the morally bankrupt Repukes who supported him don't pay a price for this shit. |
Response to Cha (Reply #59)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:59 AM
Derek L (2 posts)
62. Muslim Immigrants, No Less!
Delightful
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Response to Derek L (Reply #62)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:13 AM
Cha (286,492 posts)
69. Such an incredibly compassionate amazing family..
Have you seen this, Derek?
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Response to Cha (Reply #69)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:38 AM
sarae (3,284 posts)
109. It infuriates me that he has the gall to criticize this family the way he has.
He's totally devoid of any compassion or empathy.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:02 AM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
64. IMHO, McCain forfeited the right to any respect whatsoever when he said he would vote for
the slimeball who said, about him, "I like people who weren't captured." He is now a ZERO.
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Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #64)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:08 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
65. Agreed, but McCain might redeem himself a bit were he to denounce and
repudiate Trump for attacking the Khans.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #65)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:11 AM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
66. Agreed- that would put him back in positive numbers.
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #65)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:40 PM
Mellomugwump (93 posts)
119. It wouldn't surprise me if that happens tomorrow
It would be the perfect timing for him. Unfortunately none of us will respect him for it because we know he's already forfeited his integrity In the name of votes. His daughter and granddaughter are paving the way for him.
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Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #64)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:43 AM
DesertFlower (11,649 posts)
81. i agree. nt
Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #64)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:53 AM
Onyrleft (344 posts)
83. It's wrong to disparage another man's service.
But......
Four destroyed planes!?!? One more and McCain would've been an enemy ace. |
Response to Onyrleft (Reply #83)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:38 AM
63splitwindow (2,657 posts)
110. Incompetents can be heroes. Don the Con NEVER could and certainly demonstrated same.
Response to Onyrleft (Reply #83)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:03 AM
SwankyXomb (2,030 posts)
113. Don't you go making fun of Panamanian strongman "Crash" McCain
Unless it's really funny!
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:42 AM
DesertFlower (11,649 posts)
80. kasich spoke out and did not attend the convention.
he's governor of ohio -- an important state.
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Response to DesertFlower (Reply #80)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:40 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
92. That's true and I forgot his repudiation of Trump, both verbally and physically. So thank
you for reminding me. His politics are far too conservative-reactionary for my tastes, but Kasich does have a moral center.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:59 AM
UCmeNdc (9,409 posts)
84. Loser Donald Trump is a lowlife. His character is the worst of the worst.
I cannot describe how much I now despise the man. Loser Donald Trump has no moral backbone. Now I am starting to question the whole GOP. How can the Republicans support this man and his despicable actions? GOP leaders need to say enough is enough.
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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #84)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:52 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
95. I hear ya. I never thought I would despise anyone more than Bush and Cheney, but
Trump routinely tests that limit.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:44 AM
IronLionZion (42,765 posts)
93. The Dems were brilliant for bringing in the Khans
Because Trump's people are responding with the prejudice and bigotry that we would expect rather than anything to honor our fallen soldiers of all backgrounds. It's true that Trump was attacked/provoked, and it's great! He deserved it.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one". And a Muslim immigrant would know the US constitution better than the Republican nominee for president. |
Response to IronLionZion (Reply #93)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:47 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
94. I think they will still be writing about this 2-300 years from now, in
the histories of this campaign and American political campaigns in general.
A brilliant masterstroke. |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:26 AM
raven mad (4,940 posts)
97. We're (both of us here) still crying.
tRump, YOU are the weakest link.
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Response to raven mad (Reply #97)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:36 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
99. Yeah. I would normally gloat. But the tragic backstory tempers
mightily any glee on my part. I too have been tearing up at odd moments.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:34 AM
grossproffit (5,591 posts)
98. Pure genius having the Kahn's speak at our convention.
USA! USA! USA!
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:19 AM
yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
101. I wish
He's had a million political lives for a year. I doubt this is the last one.
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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #101)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:29 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
104. I know what you mean. But I think the worm has turned I think
Trump may drop out by the end of August.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:31 AM
DinahMoeHum (21,285 posts)
106. TrumpleThinSkin's kids were of selective service age after 9/11.
Where are their friggen dog-tags?
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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #106)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:33 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
107. Like Cheney, Trump's kids had "other priorities." - nt
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:41 AM
treestar (81,508 posts)
111. His saying he sacrificed by running his business
as compared to a soldier who died protecting his company will make him look horrible forever.
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Response to treestar (Reply #111)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:10 AM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
114. Just despicable spitting in the Khans' faces like that. - nt
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:09 PM
LostinRed (836 posts)
122. Agreed!
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:44 PM
amuse bouche (3,646 posts)
124. "Poetic Fucking Justice"
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:50 PM
beachbum bob (10,437 posts)
126. I believe this is only the beginning as we see the attacks on Trump ramp up....
can't wait to have the attacks by people that trump skipped out on paying.....or the people who lost their homes when trump paid the locals off and used eminent domain....or the investors that lost big.....
we have hundreds, if not thousands of these stories out there....and we should see weekly releases and attacks on trump....and he he can do his lie...lie ....lie he was the victim....he was the victim....he was the victim....all the way to the bank the gOP could had taken trump out in the primaries with this line of attack....Hillary and the DNC will not miss this opportunity |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:56 PM
riversedge (66,036 posts)
128. meanwhile, Neither Ryan nor Mitch M. repudiated Trump in their statements...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-khizr-khan-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-20160731-story.html ....................In statements released Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan condemned any criticism of Muslim Americans who serve their country and rejected the idea of a Muslim travel ban — an idea proposed by Trump earlier in the campaign. But neither statement mentioned Trump by name or repudiated him. McConnell praised Capt. Khan as an "American hero," while Ryan noted that many Muslim Americans have served "valiantly" in the U.S. military................. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Response to Post removed (Reply #129)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:11 PM
fleabiscuit (4,542 posts)
130. One thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand 3...
Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #130)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:14 PM
fleabiscuit (4,542 posts)
131. Made it to about 7.
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:33 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
132. McCain's daughter has spoken out.
Response to KingCharlemagne (Original post)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:01 PM
C Moon (11,570 posts)
134. Woo hoo!
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Mon Aug 1, 2016, 08:31 AM
George II (67,782 posts)