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shireen

(8,333 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:24 PM Jul 2016

Can we drop the "Bernie" in "Bernie Busters?"

Their attitude, that I've read in some Facebook posts, is "... thanks, but we'll take it from here." Some have called him a traitor.

If that's the case, Bernie's name should not be affiliated with them. Bernie made the decision to support Hillary. I trust his judgment and will follow his lead. So will most of his supporters.

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Can we drop the "Bernie" in "Bernie Busters?" (Original Post) shireen Jul 2016 OP
They were at the convention on Bernie's behalf oberliner Jul 2016 #1
that was the original intent shireen Jul 2016 #3
They were protesting on behalf of the issues championed by Bernie during the primary campaign oberliner Jul 2016 #12
yeah, it's called democracy. nt shireen Jul 2016 #14
Protesting is part of democracy as well oberliner Jul 2016 #20
That it is.... paleotn Jul 2016 #69
I never used "BoB," but I think dropping the "Bernie" Hortensis Jul 2016 #83
That's a fact wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #54
They were disruptive and rude. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #35
That's kind of the point of protesting oberliner Jul 2016 #42
They betrayed their own hypocrisy for the whole nation to see. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #49
Why protest the Democratic convention? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #80
Because you think the DNC was unfair to your candidate oberliner Jul 2016 #82
So you really have no compromising bone in your body? Bernie stood up to the supporters and did floriduck Jul 2016 #50
I support Hillary and oppose the people who tried to disrupt her speech. oberliner Jul 2016 #61
I thought Bernie said DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #68
Sabotaging their own goals in the process... FarPoint Jul 2016 #29
So, "infiltrators" then? rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #76
Agreed, but it's over. Sanders is no longer a Democratic candidate LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #5
But their opposition to Hillary was forged during the primary oberliner Jul 2016 #13
Oh, I agree; I just think there's no point in letting them use his name anymore LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #25
Fair enough oberliner Jul 2016 #27
How bout just protesters ? kacekwl Jul 2016 #70
No doubt Bernie played a role in it but it was a primary Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #38
I agree 100%. They're just "Busters" and not interested in uniting to defeat Putin's puppet. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #2
Green Tea-Publican Busters, Zealots. Those idiots are all a detraction to Bernie himself now Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #37
hey! don't insult green tea. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #57
I can agree with that treestar Jul 2016 #4
It was Bernie or Bust, they're no longer with Bernie, so they're merely Busters nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #6
Already have, and agree completely. auntpurl Jul 2016 #7
They are somewhat relevant, aren't they? oberliner Jul 2016 #15
I have no idea what these people were protesting auntpurl Jul 2016 #23
"NO TPP" was the most common sign and chant oberliner Jul 2016 #26
No TPP was appropriate since Hillary is not in favor of the deal auntpurl Jul 2016 #28
Obama is very much in favor of TPP oberliner Jul 2016 #31
Of course she could end up supporting the deal. auntpurl Jul 2016 #40
I agree with all of your points here oberliner Jul 2016 #47
Glad we're basically on the same page in the end. auntpurl Jul 2016 #51
Bernie and the chants PaulHendra Jul 2016 #62
In favor! PaulHendra Jul 2016 #45
Apparently the NEW hashtag du jour is #JillnotHill... brooklynite Jul 2016 #8
If the Busters put as much energy skepticscott Jul 2016 #44
I'm calling them dead Enders and yeah they are not with Bernie because #HesWithHer onecaliberal Jul 2016 #9
Maybe? PaulHendra Jul 2016 #10
People of good will are always welcome in the big tent. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #17
No Trump supporter, here! PaulHendra Jul 2016 #34
Good points oberliner Jul 2016 #18
after the olive branch, then what? BT35 Jul 2016 #43
From the "small group" PaulHendra Jul 2016 #55
Deeds not words That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #66
Hillary supporters and progressives are not mutually exclusive categories Nonhlanhla Jul 2016 #65
Absolutely! musicblind Jul 2016 #75
Perhaps "democrats" should use some... fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #71
Too few heros Protalker Jul 2016 #77
I'm good with just calling them assholes... BooScout Jul 2016 #11
That term works for me as well. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #19
If they don't support Bernie, then they shouldn't use his name. NT LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #16
Agree. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #21
i don't think many of the worst ones ever supported him JI7 Jul 2016 #22
Berniecrats jaceaf Jul 2016 #24
Is your goal to tie them to Bernie, or Bernie to them? demwing Jul 2016 #72
They need to stop using his name liberal N proud Jul 2016 #30
exactly - far too many had "Bernie" shirts on last night to ignore their allegiance DrDan Jul 2016 #73
I agree with that. I have a lot of respect for how Bernie handled the last few weeks. sarae Jul 2016 #32
Their proposed Fart-In might offer a new name. Basic LA Jul 2016 #33
I support this but some labels simply stick. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #36
Many of us already have! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #39
Good idea wryter2000 Jul 2016 #41
I agree, they are not representative of Bernie's supporters or his intentions. Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #46
The Jilluded. Scurrilous Jul 2016 #48
I cannot believe some of the hard core responses to a minor suggestion of trying to separate floriduck Jul 2016 #52
People are angry rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #78
I agree with you. But that is not because Bernie was responsible, once he endorsed Hillary. He floriduck Jul 2016 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #85
I'm just thinking of them as renegade members of the CA delegation. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #53
Some people are gonna be fighting this primary for the next 10 years. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #56
The convention is over. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #58
No. That's what they are called. Everyone knows it refers to his supporters and not him. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #59
ex-supporters. They abandoned him when they joined up with TrumpenStein nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #63
When that group of supporters goes that way, it makes me wonder whether they calimary Jul 2016 #60
I call them Dead-Enders now. n/t wildeyed Jul 2016 #64
Good news! liberalmuse Jul 2016 #67
I get the impression that the people with that attitude are new to politics. CaptainTruth Jul 2016 #74
Agree "Busters" also known as "Trump supporters" awake Jul 2016 #79
Out of respect for the vast majority who will vote for HRC, I've been calling them Busters for days Hekate Jul 2016 #81

shireen

(8,333 posts)
3. that was the original intent
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jul 2016

As far as I'm concerned, that ended when they disagreed with Bernie's decision to support Hillary.

They ended up being there primarily as protestors, and were not representing Bernie and most of his supporters.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. They were protesting on behalf of the issues championed by Bernie during the primary campaign
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jul 2016

They chanted things like "NO TPP" and "No More War". They objected to Hillary in ways that Bernie did during the primary.

Yes, Bernie did decide to endorse and support Hillary, but he also spent many months drawing attention to things about Hillary that he objected to very strongly.

Much of the appeal of his primary campaign was that he was presented as a contrast to Hillary in many critical respects.

Some of the people who devoted blood, sweat, and tears to that campaign still oppose Hillary for reasons articulated by the Sanders campaign over the course the primary.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Protesting is part of democracy as well
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jul 2016

In fact, Hillary made the point about how we Democrats are much more accepting of dissent and protest than the Republicans are.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
69. That it is....
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jul 2016

but so is the pragmatism shown by Bernie Sanders.

Something some of his supporters don't seem to understand.....

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
83. I never used "BoB," but I think dropping the "Bernie"
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jul 2016

makes perfect sense. After all, the ones being complained about have.

Good idea, Shireen.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
35. They were disruptive and rude.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

They were there because of Bernie that is true and many believed he would still be the nominee I think.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
42. That's kind of the point of protesting
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jul 2016

If you are quiet and don't disrupt anything, you generally don't get anyone paying attention.

I do think many of them somehow thought Bernie would still get the nomination, but I also think a lot of them just wanted to register their dissatisfaction with Hillary as a candidate.

Personally I do not agree with their tactics nor their position; however, I understand where they were coming from.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
49. They betrayed their own hypocrisy for the whole nation to see.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

People who demand to be heard but shout down anyone they don't like do not have a moral leg to stand on.

They're entitled to their dissent, and we're entitled to ours. We also happen to be the majority of Democratic voters, which means such protests should be attempting to convince us, not prevent us from saying our piece at the convention we organized for that purpose. If their plan was to simply antagonize Democrats until the whole party bowed to their demands, it's not going to work, and they're going to be the ones damaged by the fallout, not us.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
80. Why protest the Democratic convention?
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

The Busters who are not Bernie supporters, by the way, want to elect a non-Democrat. So sorry, I can't stand them. They never bother with the real evil that is the GOP but work to elect Republicans by attacking the Democrats. I would have tossed them out. The convention was no place for a progressive protest.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
82. Because you think the DNC was unfair to your candidate
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jul 2016

And you believe that the Wikileaks information confirms that the DNC was not impartial with respect to the primary.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
50. So you really have no compromising bone in your body? Bernie stood up to the supporters and did
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

EVERY FUCKING THING he could do. And you thank him by flushing him down the toilet? C'mon and get real!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
61. I support Hillary and oppose the people who tried to disrupt her speech.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jul 2016

My only point is that I understand where they are coming from. I can empathize with a young person, involved in their first ever campaign, having spent the past 6-8 months going door to door trying to explain to people why they should not vote for Hillary in the primary, passionate about their opposition to politicians who are beholden to wealthy business interests, angry about the DNC putting their finger on their scales against their candidate, believing fervently in why Bernie Sanders should be the Democratic nominee and not Hillary Clinton, suddenly being able to applaud politely for the person they have just spent all that blood, sweat, and tears arguing against.

DLCWIdem

(1,552 posts)
68. I thought Bernie said
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

He was argueing for something not against someone He wasn't supposed to negative campaign. If you believe the other than it says that Bernie failed in that.

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
29. Sabotaging their own goals in the process...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jul 2016

A few rotten eggs... repulsed the very group needed to elevate their progressive path.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
5. Agreed, but it's over. Sanders is no longer a Democratic candidate
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jul 2016

and he told the people to get behind Clinton; I think he should have done it a lot sooner, but he did it.

I agree with the OP; now they're just "busters".

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. But their opposition to Hillary was forged during the primary
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jul 2016

Even in the waning months of the primary, Bernie would get a much stronger reaction from the crowd when he attacked Hillary than when he attacked Trump.

And when he recently spoke to his supporters about backing Hillary, the crowd responded very negatively.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
25. Oh, I agree; I just think there's no point in letting them use his name anymore
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jul 2016

Isolate them, and let them wither

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
38. No doubt Bernie played a role in it but it was a primary
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

thus he was trying to win. He had that right. Was it wise? I don't know some say yes and some say no.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. I agree 100%. They're just "Busters" and not interested in uniting to defeat Putin's puppet.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jul 2016

They are no different - or better - than angry RW Tea Partiers, imho.

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
37. Green Tea-Publican Busters, Zealots. Those idiots are all a detraction to Bernie himself now
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

Pity the ones on the convention floor could not see that. Difficult when you have your head straight up you kiester though, I guess.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
7. Already have, and agree completely.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jul 2016

It's time to move on, anyway. These protestors are no longer relevant. We are moving forward to the GE and beating Trump!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. They are somewhat relevant, aren't they?
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

The issues that Bernie raised during the primary about Hillary haven't magically disappeared.

Just because we are all working to get Hillary elected and to defeat Trump doesn't mean folks can't also express disagreement with Hillary on areas where they disagree with her.

It is also important to remember that among younger voters, Bernie got more support than any candidate from either party.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
23. I have no idea what these people were protesting
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

but I seriously doubt it was "the issues Bernie raised during the primary about Hillary". They were holding up signs that said "Intersectionality matters". What that has to do with the wonderfully diverse and inclusive convention, I have no idea. They screamed "BLACK LIVES MATTER" at Cory Booker. Uh, I think he knows that. Their "issues" mostly seemed written on the back of a bar napkin in crayon. They were the very embodiment of the "fringe left" (and I say that as someone who IS on the left) in that they had no organisation, no unifying philosophy, no strong and diverse coalition, and ultimately no power because of the previous three things.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
26. "NO TPP" was the most common sign and chant
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jul 2016

That is definitely one of the issues that Bernie raised during the primary.

Another common chant was "No More Wars".

There were also "No Oligarchy" signs. This was something that Bernie said throughout the primary campaign also.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
28. No TPP was appropriate since Hillary is not in favor of the deal
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jul 2016

So I don't know what they were screaming about.

"No More Wars" is just reductive. It's meaningless. What the hell does that even mean? No more wars even if someone attacks our country? Or our allies' countries? It's certainly PRETTY F*ING RUDE to chant ANYTHING over a Medal of Honor winner.

"Oligarchy" is a word that has lost all meaning in this primary season. Everything is the oligarchy except them. Nobody passes the purity test in the end - not even Bernie.

PS. I would love for the media to have asked ANY of those young protestors what the TPP actually IS.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. Obama is very much in favor of TPP
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jul 2016

And Hillary just had a prominent supporter say that she could flip and support the deal.

The "No More Wars" chant, I think, was meant as in relation to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

Oligarchy, I would agree, has lost much of its meaning, but my point was just that it was a term used by Sanders in the primary.

Look, my point is just that the protestors are people who passionately supported Bernie Sanders throughout the primary, a primary that was focussed on the many ways in which Bernie disagreed with Hillary, so it is natural for there to be some segment of Bernie primary supporters who would want to express their feelings about those distinctions that are still very important to them.

Even in the waning weeks of the primary, Bernie would get a much stronger reaction from his audience when he criticized Hillary than when he criticized Trump.

And when he told his supporters that he was backing Hillary, the reaction from many was less than positive.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
40. Of course she could end up supporting the deal.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jul 2016

If they change it to the point she's happy with it, she will sign it. It's not complicated. She's not happy with it the way it is because it would cause reduction in US wages. She's never said she disagrees with the CONCEPT of the TPP, just that the current deal isn't favorable enough to the US to sign. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. This is how bills/laws evolve all the time, right?

So there are two reasons Bernie got a stronger reaction for criticising Hillary. One is because a significant number of people who "supported" Bernie did so only because they were actually just anti-Hillary. Two is because often young people view things in a binary fashion. Bernie's the good guy, so Hillary must be the bad guy. As we get older, our brains process nuance better. This is a real thing.

At the end of the day, of COURSE Bernie supporters are going to be disappointed and of COURSE I have sympathy for that! Hell, I cried my eyes out when Hillary lost the primary in 08 and I wasn't in my 20s. But I put on my big girl pants, built a bridge, and got over it because there was no way in hell I was letting John McCain get into the White House if I was able to do something about it, ie vote and work for the Obama campaign. Trump is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDES worse than McCain. I was talking to my mom tonight and I said, "I would vote for George W Bush over Trump if those were my only two options. And I f*cking HATE George W Bush with the fury of God's own righteous thunder." Trump would hurt the most disadvantaged members of our society FAR more than these young people would be hurt. You want a political revolution? Go out and make one - work for candidates you like, run for office yourself. I will support you. But it is just SELFISH to subject AAs, Latinos, Muslims, LGBTQ, the disabled, the working poor, the poor and homeless to Trump. There is no excuse, I'm really sorry.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
47. I agree with all of your points here
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

My personal view is that these folks ought to follow Bernie's lead and support Hillary.

I am just trying to make the point that these protestors and disruptors are not just some random jerks but rather young people with passionately heartfelt progressive beliefs that were expressed repeatedly by the Sanders campaign.

In that context, I can understand (though not agree with) what they are doing.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
51. Glad we're basically on the same page in the end.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary was described by many people who know her well as a listener. I hope she does listen to the people as president. I want her to be responsive and open-minded. That's what she's said she'll be, and she works for us.

Now let's go get her the WH.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
44. If the Busters put as much energy
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016

into the hard, unglamorous work of party building as they do into coming up with new hashtags, they might actually accomplish something.

PaulHendra

(5 posts)
10. Maybe?
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jul 2016

I am a Bernie fan. I was disappointed by his loss. That said, I think it's a mistake for Hillary supporters to dismiss progressives as anti democrats. We want what you want! It's hard to switch tracks and jump on an already moving train. Condescending and derisive responses will bring division, not unity! I joined this group because a friend posted that the vp choice had attended a black church for many years. This gives me hope of empathy and compassion to our fellow man. Be kind and patient. We will come if welcomed and loved! Namaste

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. People of good will are always welcome in the big tent.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

For example, you've said nothing that would lead anyone to think you're not one of us.

Progressives and Hillary supporters are very much overlapping groups. Progressives are not our enemies.

At the same time, those who would help elect Donald Trump--regardless of their ideology--are part of the problem and not the solution.

But I do not sense that you are one of those people who would ever do anything to help elect Donald Trump.

PaulHendra

(5 posts)
34. No Trump supporter, here!
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jul 2016

I do not at all support Trump, or any facet of his bigotry! Hillary has been characterized as corporate and not compassionate. I'm opening myself to the idea that she is capable of caring for middle class, minorities and disenfranchised individuals. I hope to see a fairer trade balance between us and China. I also hope that TPP is reconsidered! We need industrial jobs, too! Thanks, for the gracious welcome. Namaste

BT35

(5 posts)
43. after the olive branch, then what?
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016

Clinton and her supporters were as inclusive as humanly possible. Clinton thanked Bernie in her acceptance speech as did President Obama and many other speakers. Many of Sanders positions were included in the platform. And yet the Bernie or Bust folks were unmoved. I watched ALL the convention coverage...an obsession...and I was struck by the Bernie or Bust people who did not respond to any of the positive approaches. This suggests that this small group...and it was quite small...was not serious about being in the Democratic Party, which has a hugh tent and room for everyone. That's my take on it.

PaulHendra

(5 posts)
55. From the "small group"
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jul 2016

I just want to emphasize that it appears condescending to be characterized as small while you refer to yourself as the big tent. There is an ongoing grieving process for the loss Bernie and his group endured. It's akin to the death of an ideal. You may see Hillary's path as an obvious choice. We have yet to fully adopt this alternative. Implied, or forced subservience does not ingratiate new recruits! Show me how I can feel good about it all, not why I should feel bad about where I was. Namaste

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
66. Deeds not words
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jul 2016

Speaking in the convention that was controlled from who they preferred be nominated in the primary to who was allowed to speak, the DNC did not provide much in deeds, and fought tooth and nail over words(the party platform).

Terry McAulliffe says that Clinton will spin back to the TPP now that she has the nomination.

Leon Panatte was met with protest chants of "No more war" because he viewed President Obama's caution concerning Syria as a "missed opportunity" for war. A war that he thinks would last 30 years.

Andrew Cuomo a Democratic governor who occasionally talks about leftish social policies while enabling big business and helping Wall Street.

Perhaps worst of all, when Clinton's ardent secret campaign aide Debbie Wassermann-Schultz resigns in disgrace from her position as the impartial DNC Chair, Clinton appoints her Honorary Chair of the new 50 State Strategy. Given her history is it wrong to assume that Debbie will be anointing primary winners in that project? While making sure that "republicans she can work with" run unopposed of course.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
65. Hillary supporters and progressives are not mutually exclusive categories
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jul 2016

Many of us who are Hillary supporters self-identify as progressive. We just did not buy into Bernie's rhetoric. The assumption that to be progressive you had to have supported Bernie is false.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
75. Absolutely!
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jul 2016

I am very much a progressive. I am also a Hillary supporter.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but I am enthusiastic about Hillary as our nominee. It isn't a zero-sum game. I voted for Hillary in 2008 and was enthusiastic about Obama.

Many Hillary supporters are very progressive!

Protalker

(418 posts)
77. Too few heros
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jul 2016

I've been a gay activist for 30 years. I support protest. When a Congressional Medal of Honor speaks it transcends debate.

jaceaf

(89 posts)
24. Berniecrats
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jul 2016

Some of their intent is still to follow what he tells them to do and elect "berniecrats." They still want to infiltrate our party by placing Bernie's picks. So, unless they drop that angle, they are still connected to him and his revolution.

liberal N proud

(60,298 posts)
30. They need to stop using his name
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

Stop wearing Bernie shirts and carrying Bernie signs.

As long as they keep associating themselves with Bernie we need to call the Bob's or similar.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
73. exactly - far too many had "Bernie" shirts on last night to ignore their allegiance
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jul 2016

"Bernie's Busters" does it for me

sarae

(3,284 posts)
32. I agree with that. I have a lot of respect for how Bernie handled the last few weeks.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jul 2016

There's a clear difference between his supporters at large and the "Busters" the news now always talks about.

I heard a reporter say that the holdouts decided to wear neon shirts last night so they could be easily picked out of the crowd, but it was clear that out of 1,900 Bernie Sanders delegates the number of neon shirt-wearers were proportionally small. The number actually disrupting was probably even smaller than that.

MSNBC was probably annoyed that their reporter was being honest regarding the amount of disruptors...lol.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
39. Many of us already have!
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jul 2016

WE all know that they are a small number of assholes who disrupt things just to disrupt them.

That some are calling SENATOR Sanders a traitor just goes to show they never truly supported him, but more likely attached themselves to him for the opportunity to spread disunity.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
41. Good idea
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jul 2016

They were more like the anarchists who show up at protests to cause violence than Sanderds supporters

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
46. I agree, they are not representative of Bernie's supporters or his intentions.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016

They are anarchists who wish to burn down everything.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
52. I cannot believe some of the hard core responses to a minor suggestion of trying to separate
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders from the protesters during and now after the convention? Is this a typical Clinton supporter responses? Or are these people just the fringe of her supporters. Please tell me what we can expect from now through the GE.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
78. People are angry
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:46 AM - Edit history (1)

A bunch of spoiled, uncivil, loud mouthed non-democrat campus left brats just distracted and protested and disrupted the nomination of the first progressive woman to a major party ticket. They booed war heroes and civil rights movement heroes. They dominated media coverage of supposed "democrats divided" when they aren't even democrats. They're infiltrators.

They were there for one reason. We "opened the party up" to them, as they claimed to represent "millennials" or "progressives" but obviously were NOT "democrats" in any meaningful sense.

Anyway, like a lot of democrats I believe they actually made the case against Bernie better than Hillary ever did. These "supporters" would have created a mortifying leftist spectacle that would have revolted the general electorate had their candidate won.

What they've done is also to make the opposite case to the leftists' optimistic demand that we "open" the party to such people. I think many on DU (those who haven't left us for Jack-in-the-Box radicals -- I note most of the posts there get 3-5 comments) reflect the view of most rank and file democrats who've been around: what we just saw is even more reason to a) do away with caucuses next time and b) close all of our primaries to all but registered democrats and c) require our candidates and delegates to be members of the party for some period of time - at least a full year. I'd say, before running or being a delegate.

In my own view this is our own tea party. Allowing them to take over or even have a loud voice will end up damaging our party's national standing jus as the far right element wound up sticking the republicans with Donald Trump.

The whacked out Sarandon/West/Free Mumia/Lock Her Up/No More Wars! campus left hippie faction doesn't vote. They don't support democrats and never have. They didn't intend to help build our party, even if Sen. Sanders himself did stand for that. He accepted and relied on support from people who have never been anything but a fringe element and it harmed his standing with the majority of democratic voters.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
84. I agree with you. But that is not because Bernie was responsible, once he endorsed Hillary. He
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jul 2016

tried to bring his supporters to support her. At that point, they became responsible entirely for their actions.

The point of the OP was relating to resistance to removing reference to Bernie in the "BoBs" or "Bernie Bros". And I believe it is wrong to encourage the use or condone those terms now that Bernie backed Hillary. Using a term like "extreme bros" or even "former Bernie bros" suits me fine.

Response to floriduck (Reply #84)

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
53. I'm just thinking of them as renegade members of the CA delegation.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jul 2016

Lots of nice Bernie people here decried what was going on in their and Bernie's name, and moreover it is apparent that several of the protestors (a minority of the delegation) are moving over to the Green party now anyway.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
56. Some people are gonna be fighting this primary for the next 10 years.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jul 2016

It's what passes for a life, apparently.

The rest of us have moved on.

Blue Idaho

(4,987 posts)
58. The convention is over.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie is headed back to Vermont to run for the Senate as an Independent.

Hillary is headed on the campaign trail to run for President as a Democrat.

The "or busters" have mostly wandered over to the Green Party to support Jill Stein. Whatever they were - the "busters" are now just a footnote to history.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
60. When that group of supporters goes that way, it makes me wonder whether they
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jul 2016

actually supported HIM, at all. If they really did support him and trust his judgment and have such faith in him, why wouldn't they trust him on supporting Hillary Clinton. Seems to me they'd have to know that he didn't make that shift without good reason and a lot of careful thought.

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
67. Good news!
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jul 2016

Last week my sister told me she was going to vote for Jill Stein, but today she told me she's voting for Hillary because she's not insane and does not even want to chance Trump in our blue state. I'm thrilled!

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
74. I get the impression that the people with that attitude are new to politics.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jul 2016

Doesn't seem like they've been through many election cycles. How many times do you get the perfect candidate? Almost never. Maybe JFK was close (or could have been) ... but we all know what happened.

I also feel like that small "Bernie or bust" group has a lot of "privileged" folks who feel "entitled." Like the kid who always got everything they wanted & if they didn't, they just had to hold their breath, stomp their feet, throw a temper tantrum & mommy/daddy would give in & give them what they wanted. Newsflash: You don't always get what you want! Especially in politics. Welcome to real life.

They also seem to be missing the bigger picture, which is, if a Republican gets elected (especially Trump) everything Bernie (& they, allegedly) stand for will be DEAD. So by protesting Hillary (& thus helping Trump) they're working against their own best interests ... a trait I normally associate with Republican voters.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
81. Out of respect for the vast majority who will vote for HRC, I've been calling them Busters for days
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jul 2016
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