WTF another of Hillary's "friends"kneecaps her

[awake]

Terry McAuliffe's TPP comments do Clinton no favors
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-democratic-convention-2016-live-mcauliffe-does-clinton-no-favors-with-1469581798-htmlstory.html

"Hillary Clinton’s longtime friend Terry McAuliffe, the governor of Virginia and a prolific fundraiser for Democrats, just made her difficult job of pulling the Democratic Party together even tougher.

As Clinton assures restive Bernie Sanders voters that they can trust her to fight against the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the massive trade deal that Sanders helped galvanize a large share of the electorate against, McAuliffe just gave them good reason to doubt her.

Asked by Politico whether Clinton will ultimately work to approve the trade deal once in office, McAuliffe said, “Yes. Listen, she was in support of it. There were specific things in it she wants fixed.”

[Thinkingabout]

1. Are you praising the current trade deal and do not think there needs to be any changes?

[Dawgs]

2. Are you for the TPP?

Holy shit.

[Recursion]

8. Why are you for the current trade deals?

That's what I find shocking

A slight majority of Democratic voters favor the TPP so it shouldn't be surprising to run into some here.

[Thinkingabout]

39. That is not the answer to my question, are you happy

With the current trade agreement.

[Dawgs]

40. No. You dodged my question.

And, the current trade agreement and the TPP both suck.

Now, are you for the TPP or not?

[Thinkingabout]

41. Then if you are not happy with the current trade agreement then a new one needs to be

Negotiated, correct some of the problems.

[Dawgs]

42. Fine. Throw out the TPP and start over from scratch. nt

[awake]

5. How the F did you come up with that conclusion

Terry just opened a big can of worms that need not have been even touched.

All too offen it is Hillary's "friends" are the ones who have created issues for her that were unnessary. Hillary has said that she is not for the TTP so why the F*ck is Terry bringing it up?

[Recursion]

18. Because we need to renegotiate the current deals

Right now Vietnam and Malaysia don't have to have a minimum wage or let unions elect their own officers. That's not acceptable.

[Orsino]

3. If it can be fixed, and we implement good fixes...

...there's no reason it couldn't be a good deal. Or at least much less shitty.

But it would be a very different "it."

[Scuba]

7. "Less shitty" is the kind of "progress" we've been getting for decades.

[Recursion]

9. Centuries

Glad to see you're grasping how life works.

[Scuba]

10. "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

[leftofcool]

4. How many times does this have to be said?

I will repeat this one more time. Hillary has stated that she is against the TPP in its current form. If she gets the changes she wants, ones that protect the American workers among other things, she would consider supporting it.

[global1]

6. A Couple Of Questions Here....

1. Other countries have to sign this deal as well - are all of them aboard or are these other countries against it too?

2. Bernie goes back to the Senate as an Independant - he says we can't let TPP pass in the lame duck session - so as a Senator can he filibuster it - like the Repugs have done with so many of Obama's bills and let it die until after the election?

3. Does Bernie have any recommended fixes that can modify TPP to make it more acceptable or does he think we should proceed without any further trade deals? Essentially - what would Bernie do (WWBD) if he was the President?

I think I just coined a new abbreviation here that we can use over the next 4 years of Hiilary's presidency - WWBD - What Would Bernie Do.

[Recursion]

11. #3 will unfortunately never get answered

And it's the only important question. What better achievable deal do people think is out there?

[global1]

13. It Will Get Answered If Bernie Is Vocal And The Leader Of The...

"Political Revolution". I don't think he will hold back warranted criticism of Madam President if he feels she's not living up to the Dems Progressive Platform.

[Recursion]

17. Criticism is not the same thing

I was asking for a better trade deal framework, not what's wrong with this one. I know what's wrong with this one. I want to know what people think would be a better idea.

[Arazi]

20. The TPP can't be revised or altered now

And Bernie can't filibuster it either. Obama and Congress agreed to "fast track" it last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/05/tpp-or-not-tpp-whats-the-trans-pacific-partnership-and-should-we-support-it

[Lord Magus]

23. That is a lie.

Agreements can always be renegotiated, especially ones that haven't even been ratified by Congress.

[Arazi]

25. No its not. Obama has TPA authority and fast track is approved

Please so some research

[Lord Magus]

28. Which has nothing to do with your claim that TPP can't be altered. -nt-

[Hoyt]

29. Exactly. If we don't ratify it as it stands, it will be renegotiated or we are out.

[global1]

26. So Hillary Has Cover Here And Could Say She Doesn't Support TPP But...

if it's fast tracked through Congress and can't be filibustered then she can get by saying that she doesn't support TPP but because she was not the President yet - she couldn't do anything to stop it.

This is a way of being on both sides of the issue. Now that's a smart political maneuver.

Or am I missing something here?

[Exilednight]

38. That's exactly what it is, but I wouldn't call it smart.

Saying you're against the TPP in its current form is great, but she needs to take the next step or it has the optics of fence sitting.

She has to be vocal about the changes needed and publicly urge the president to consider those changes and to actively push for them.

[vi5]

12. McCauliffe is an idiot....

Sorry if that breaks the rules but he really is. How can you be so balls deep in the political system for as long as he has and not know that you just don't say shit like that in the middle of a campaign.

Look, I know Hillary's anti-TPP stance is purely for the sake of the campaign, and probably largely because of running against Bernie in the primary. I don't like it, but I know it and I'm going to vote for her anyway for obvious reasons.

But McCaullife is someone who likes to be the most insider guy in the room, and shooting his mouth off without thinking is the way he does this.

[awake]

14. Well said I would have said something like that in my OP

But I did not want to get it locked. I do hope people wake up and remember that what they say can hurt our candidate.

[StraightRazor]

22. How many other of Hillary's stances are 'purely for sake of the campaign'?...

good thing she's running against Trump or she'd have to be honest about where she stands on issues and further lessen her chances of getting elected.

This way she's essentially lucked into the 'anyone but Trump' candidate and just needs stay one degree above that cretin.

McCaullife told the truth - one that HRC supports don't want getting out, but you can't blame him for her positions.

So many Democrats under the bus at this point just to get her elected it's amazing that the wheels still touch the ground - this is 'Stronger Together'?

[vi5]

24. I don't disagree.....

My McCaullife is an idiot statement was as much that I hate his position and his style of Democrat as it was anything else.

And to answer your question I'm sure there are many other stances 'purely for the sake of the campaign". Which is what pains me about this election more than any other in my lifetime.

[hollowdweller]

15. That's how it will come down

They will make some minor changes and claim it protects the working people and ram it thru.

I think our side underestimates how much that the average person is against free trade and thinks they can pull the same bs they did in the 90's again by assuring us with these modifications that it will be better.

I think if we win the way Hillary settles the trust deficit for her next run is to spend the first 2 years only doing things that are going to help average people.

I thought NAFTA was a bad idea but in the 90's I was willing to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt because he was overall a good pres.

However now we have experience and it's not a good thing. I don't think they can use the same playbook, or they can but they won't win re election if people keep losing good jobs.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. I see nothing wrong with this.

[Avalux]

33. Do you support the TPP? n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. Not entirely in its current form, but I support the idea that trade is not bad. Why do you ask?

[Avalux]

35. Just trying to understand why you're ok with what Terry said.

Clinton herself has not stated she supports the TPP. I support fair trade as well but the TPP is not fair.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. I still don't see what's wrong with what he said. Sorry.

[Avalux]

37. I see it as him putting words in her mouth.

But maybe that was the idea, so she will have to address it.

[JaneyVee]

19. She said she is for it, just wants it tweaked.

There was supposed to be a currency manipulation clause that never made it in and she wants it in there.

[Hoyt]

30. Either in it, or more likely another agreement like the Paris Accord.

[Renew Deal]

21. McAuliffe has always been a clown

[FreakinDJ]

27. Why is anyone surprised

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Terry has his opinion.

I prefer to listen to Clinton herself.

[Avalux]

32. McAuliffe shouldn't be trotted out like he is; he sticks foot in mouth a lot.

I've never liked the guy. I certainly hope he comes out and says he 'misspoke' or yes, this will cause problems for Hillary.

[JRLeft]

43. Why would anyone be surprised by this?