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Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:16 AM

Embrace Code Pink, Bernie or Bust, Jill Stein and any others who position Hillary-Kaine as centrists

Republicans want to paint Hillary as an out-of-the-mainstream liberal (or socialist).

Hillary could either respond "damn right" or she could respond "you're wrong, my views are mainstream American values."

Had Hillary chosen Warren as her running mate, we might conclude that Hillary had chosen the "damn right" path, but Hillary's choice of Kaine tells us that Hillary is reaching out to the center.

If you want to be perceived as a centrist, you need people who oppose you on your right (the whole Republican Party) and your left (Code Pink and Green Party, etc.). Now that Warren and Sanders are 100% behind Hillary, the Republicans would have more success labeling Hillary as "out of the mainstream" if there was no one pushing back at Hillary from her left.

This is the ideal situation: Hillary has opponents who say she's too far to the right but they are only a small 3% to 5% segment of the vote. Don't just accept this; embrace it because this is a part of the definition of "mainstream."

LBJ had a small group of opponents on his left, Carter had a small group of opponents on his left, Bill had a small group of opponents on his left, Obama had a small group of opponents on his left, and they all did just fine. We live in a democracy. We should foresee and accept that our system of government -- the best system yet invented by the human mind -- will and must encompass a broad range of opinions and competing visions for the role of our government.

We cannot claim to represent the mainstream in one breath and -- in the very next breath -- express outrage and surprise that there are some to our left whose views are outside of our mainstream vision.

Embrace the fact that Hillary has chosen a position where she sits in the center with some few on her left and many others on her right.

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Reply Embrace Code Pink, Bernie or Bust, Jill Stein and any others who position Hillary-Kaine as centrists (Original post)
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 OP
DanTex Jul 2016 #1
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #3
DanTex Jul 2016 #17
lamp_shade Jul 2016 #2
OKNancy Jul 2016 #4
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #6
RonniePudding Jul 2016 #5
TwilightZone Jul 2016 #7
JRLeft Jul 2016 #9
JRLeft Jul 2016 #8
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #10
LexVegas Jul 2016 #11
NCTraveler Jul 2016 #12
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #13
NCTraveler Jul 2016 #14
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #15
NCTraveler Jul 2016 #16
Renew Deal Jul 2016 #18
alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #19

Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:19 AM

1. No, I'm not going to embrace Bernie or Bust.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:37 AM

3. Trump refuses to embrace the fact of global warming. What good does that do him? We can refuse to

embrace the fact that Sanders brought new people into the party (which is good) and there are some few who will not support Hillary (that is to be expected - it happened in 2008, too), but -- ultimately -- 90% of Sanders' supporters WILL support Hillary (that's been reported as a higher percentage than Hillary '08 supporters who said they would be voting for Obama at this stage in '08).

Bernie or Bust exists. Just like PUMA existed in '08. Importantly, Sanders is doing everything he can to bring his supporters to Hillary (and he's had great success as indicated by the 90% support of Hillary from his supporters). We can deny the Bernie or Busters of we can acknowledge that they exist and we can work together to shrink that already small group. Then, we face the next choice of dening the existence of that shrunken group or pointing to their recalcitrant opposition as evidence that Hillary stands with the middle and not the outliers.

We live in a democracy where people of all kinds with a full spectrum of beliefs participate with us in choosing our own leadership.

I understand the frustration, but dissent on the left and on the right is a feature of democracy, not a bug in the system.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:02 PM

17. Bernie or Bust isn't a fact, it's a group of people. So I don't get the GW analogy.

BoBs get to participate in our democracy, just like Trumpists do. I'm not saying that they should be disenfranchised. I'm also not saying that either group doesn't exist. They obviously do exist.

What I am saying is that I'm not going to embrace either one. I don't embrace hateful lunatics trying to make Trump our president.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:23 AM

2. No

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:56 AM

4. gobbledygook

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:23 AM

6. You can't occupy both the far left and also the center. Support Hillary's choice to seek the center

Part of supporting Hillary's choice to seek the center is accepting that she has pitched her tent to encompass as many as she felt comfortable including but there are some on the far left who are not in the tent.

It does no good to deny that some few on the left are outside of Hillary's embrace because it is a fact. Once we acknowledge the fact, we can either bemoan it or accept it and make use of that fact for our own purposes (use the far left as a foil to demonstrate the mainstream nature of Hillary's positions).

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:11 AM

5. Nonsense

 

What a silly OP.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:35 AM

7. Jill Stein is a grandstanding attention-seeker, nothing more.

She deserves the mockery she receives. She certainly shouldn't be embraced by anyone who wants to win in November.

As for the "Kaine is a centrist" silliness, you clearly don't know much about him. He's a liberal.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:45 AM

9. Only in America a pro trade and deregulation is considered liberal.

 

Everywhere it's labeled something else.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:44 AM

8. Hillary and Tim are centrists, but B.O.B. isn't that big of a group.

 

Hillary says she's against it now, but was for deregulation and trade. Tim Kaine was pro TPP and , deregulation in Thursday.

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:03 PM

10. They're a very small group. Expecting unanimity is an unrealistic goal. We should accept the support

from the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters and use the gift from those won't accept her (the gift is a narrative that Hillary's mainstream appeal is too moderate for the far left).

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:04 PM

11. Still stings, huh? nt

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:04 PM

12. I don't lump Code Pink in with those other complete fools as you have.

 

Bernie or Bust, Stein, and Trump can all go embrace Johnson. Know what I mean?

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:06 PM

13. I'm only including Code Pink because they are in Philadelphia protesting Hillary's nomination from

from the left.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:10 PM

14. Yes, Code Pink is protesting from the left and has a cause.

 

The other asshats you mention have no ideology, cause, or intelligence. They aren't even close to the same. Protesters rock. Fart-ins are too complicated for the anti-intellectual boo brigade you mention along side of Code Pink.

Left?

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:12 PM

15. Are you saying the Green Party does not have a cause?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:14 PM

16. I never said the Green Party has no cause.

 

I have repeatedly stated I like their platform.

Stein is an embarrassment as the representative for the Green Party.

What does that have to do with the dumb ass Bernie or Bust crowd? Nothing.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:04 PM

18. Hillary picked the most liberal senator according to the ratings

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:05 PM

19. Lame rule skirting

 



I'll give you credit for an original (if pathetic and transparent) way of declaring for someone other than the Democratic nominee.

Simultaneously clever and sad.

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