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By Rebecca Schoenkopf - July 25
Elijah Cummings! Wonkettes legislative badass of the year! THAT Elijah Cummings! A fuckin HERO!
I like Bernie. Every Wonker does, it is the law. But some of his delegates are being horrifying, and if you want to talk about privilege (which, face it, I usually dont!) then the white children drowning out the black lady congressman and the black congressman need to take a look in the fucking mirror.
Its not funny, its not cute, and if YOUR democracy looks like this, go be a fucking Trumpkin and you can be the anti-democratic authoritarian you so clearly wish to be while shouting down your fucking betters. You know you want to, you fucking little pricks.
http://wonkette.com/604665/stop-yelling-over-elijah-cummings-and-show-some-goddamned-respect
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)"Why do I have to be quiet? I'm being silenced! GROUP THINK!"
This is how American narcissism translates progressive politics.
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Hekate
(90,189 posts)....Hillary IS the nominee, and if you didn't read the site TOS before signing them all I can say is "Welcome to DU and enjoy your stay."
SheriffBob
(552 posts)You are the one interrupting "free speech".
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Lots of different people yelled during lots of different speakers.
It's a convention.
They're racist goons
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)without any actual evidence of that.
SheriffBob
(552 posts)It's like porn. I know it when I see it.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)"I was young once. I occupied buildings."
synergie
(1,901 posts)nasty and disgusting ways?
Yeah, when he was young, HE never disrespected his allies, so he was young, he occupied buildings, he wasn't a disrespectful racist, who, per the videos were not so very young at all.
There is no way to excuse these outbursts, this belongs on the other side of the aisle, where David Duke and his values and manners are celebrated, not at the Democratic Convention or a Democratic site.
You're taking a man being honorable and twisting it to excuse the inexcusable, that is reprehensible as is the behavior it seeks to defend.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I'm not excusing the inexcusable. I'm criticizing you.
synergie
(1,901 posts)and yes you do seem to be attempting an ad hominem, but failed to actually level a criticism of anything I said in your haste to defend the indefensible behavior of people who were behaving inexcusably.
For future reference it would help to have something to criticize and to have a leg to stand on before you attempt to criticize someone when you have have been properly criticized for things that have been said which have no defense. It's why the ad hominem is a fallacy, and the go to of those who cannot produce a legitimate counter argument.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)behavior. There is no excuse for acting like idiots nor is there any for defending anyone doing so, attacking those legitimately criticizing that very wrong behavior is also terribly wrong, I'm so glad you have figured out the error of your ways of those you defended so poorly and so wrongly.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)They are white supremacist pieces of shit.
Hope that helps.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)please
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)They've already made that clear.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)....of our party, and having the decency to respect the heroes who still walk among us, women and men of great courage and character.
To be unaware of that history is sad -- to be too self-important to even be bothered to learn when someone tries to teach them is reprehensible.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)SheriffBob
(552 posts)lol.
yes that helps. not complicated at all.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It is helpful to remind people that sanctimony doesn't excuse that kind of childish display.
calimary
(80,693 posts)Really rude and disrespectful. We already know they hate the TPP. And they hate Hillary, and they hate ... blah-blah-blah. ENOUGH. They don't understand how counter-productive this kind of acting-out is. It doesn't make the object of your outrage look bad. It makes YOU look bad! Enough with the misbehaving. Show some respect. Try acting like the adults your drivers' licenses say you are.
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)It was sickening to see, and worse because these frauds claim to be Democrats. I hope they are banned for the rest of the convention. We do not need overt racists in our party.
sarae
(3,284 posts)They act like they're the only ones who matter.
I'm getting really tired of this idea that they're the only ones with true passion and ideals. Now these babies are throwing a shit fit because they only got 80% of the platform they wanted? Welcome to the real world.
As a latina, it terrifies me when I read stories about Trump supporters saying they want to deport ALL latinos, muslims, black people, asians. The Trump campaign again gave full press credentials and interviews to white supremacists. Is this not ringing alarm bells for these people??
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)of followers to come right out and be open racists. They no longer feel the slightest need to keep their white power message in the closets of their homes and internet dens. I really think, with no hyperbole, that over half, hell, well over half of the Trump legions would be 100% ok with a return to the Jim Crow days.
sarae
(3,284 posts)believe whites are superior and think slavery should be brought back, among other disturbing things.
I agree; the worst thing about Trump is that he's given these people a voice. It's no surprise that there are bigots, but I hate how emboldened they've become. He's made them feel justified in their hate for minorities, and the way he's fomenting their anger is terrifying.
SheriffBob
(552 posts)It's codified now. It's also involves a lot of immigrant labor and minimum wage earners.
Remember trump's Polish immigrant workers?
synergie
(1,901 posts)wage, even if it's an inadequate minimum wage.
Slavery, where human beings are treated as property and bought and sold and have no basic freedoms and no wages are paid still happens. It's not codified, it's against the law, but it's still going on. Can we stop with mislabeling things for dramatic effect in ways that diminishes the actual meaning of the words? Even if you honestly did not know that slavery and human trafficking are major issues in 2016 both abroad and here at home, pretending that wage earners and "immigrants labor" is equivalent to slavery demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of what exactly slavery is and was.
SheriffBob
(552 posts)it's part of semantic evolution. if you think it's not slavery then try living on their slave wages.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)Bad behavior should be called out...and, well, they were pricks. They didn't care that they were disgusting to 2 AA congress people. Sorry, no free rides here. They are grown-ups and should be called out on their prickish behavior.
synergie
(1,901 posts)is to be expected, defending racist idiocy by a bunch of sore losers is not. This is not how one behaves at a Democratic convention, these disruptors missed the one with the like minded folk in Cleveland.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)He sounded like he was defending them. Funny that.
synergie
(1,901 posts)somehow not racist idiots throwing tantrums? Yes, that's really "funny".
Cha
(295,899 posts)Its not funny, its not cute, and if YOUR democracy looks like this, go be a fucking Trumpkin and you can be the anti-democratic authoritarian you so clearly wish to be while shouting down your fucking betters. You know you want to, you fucking little pricks.
Mahalo, working!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The day ended well though.
Michelle really killed it!
Cha
(295,899 posts)they didn't dare boo Michelle!
I made an OP..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512300511
Thank you! lol@NYDN.. on their front page said ".. Michelle turned the nasty tide.. "
She crushed!
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)they heckled the First Lady! Classy
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)The chants of No TPP came when he mentioned the platform, the platform committee he chaired, and voted against opposing the TPP for the political reason of not offending President Obama.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)As well at other points.
ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)The "anti" chanting doesn't start until 5:10 when he mentions the party's platform. Before then there is nothing but cheers, clapping, and some signs.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts). . . to no avail. Sooner or later, I'll learn to simply roll my eyes and sigh.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)heckling him as he was choking up talking about his dad. They were heckling him when he was talking about BLM, voting rights, and women's rights. It was disgusting. As a 50 year old white woman, I was ashamed to be white....again. Please white people, just stop it.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)betsuni
(25,119 posts)OnDoutside
(19,905 posts)attacks coming, something many of us warned about just two months ago. What was done to Elijah Cummings is a stain on the Progressive Movement, and when the likes of Nina Turner ranted about demanding even further apologies, maybe someone could take her aside and give her a few home truths.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He did what he promised to do, stop Trump and support Hillary. He did the right thing and he earns my respect for that.
Obviously the mob of BOB'ers in the hall were not ready to follow him in that and never, ever were going to support Hillary for President IMO.
OnDoutside
(19,905 posts)wrong impression to some.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)encoraged them by telling them how good a job they were doing
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And got on board with Hillary at that time. That's all I have against the man. Lots of crap went on in the primaries but thats history.
And its doesn't matter now. What does matter now it the total ass kicking of Donald Trump and his goon squad party in the GE!
Bernie did right by Hillary and the party last night on national TV in front of BoB whack jobs that didn't want to hear it also.
For that I tip my hat to Senator Sanders!
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)he should ahve called them on it!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He did shoot out an email telling them to stop, so there's that at least.
The battle is over and thankfully Hillary won. Now on to the damned republicans and Trump!
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)but if he doesn't call them on this, they will continue every night of the convention,,,, Hillary will not be able to give her acceptance speech because of their heckling! And the perception this puts out , it is going to give Trump another bump in the polls from our convention....
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They are not "being heard," they are being obnoxious. They'd whine a ton if anyone had done that to Bernie.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Is this an open convention where greens, anarchists and BoB'ers can just fling poo all over the place at will?
I thought this was the Democratic convention?
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)It was disgusting to have one of the most heroic members of Congress and our great party heckled by those tTP'ers. Bravo Wonkette.
Cummings laid bare the deceit Director Comey was trying to pull off, and put a full stop to it. Comey, rather than reveal he had just deceived Congress, developed instant amnesia about the three emails. Cummings out edComey and the truth. He is enemy #1 to Republicans. That makes this stink of infiltration.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Rebecca Schoenkopf!
Gman
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fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)The shoe fits, and they need to wear it.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,276 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Of course, they'll whine and cry that we're being mean or some other shit, but you know what? I don't CARE. They treated the AA speakers abysmally.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Fuck that noise.
Politics is not a game for children. Grow the fuck up.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I found them annoying.
But facts don't matter any more here.
budd3456
(5 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... from individuals who obviously have no shame whatsoever.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)they don't know history.
They need to be learning when to raise their voices and when to be silent out of respect. Then again, if they can't or won't learn from Bernie, they may not be teachable.
Again, they aren't democrats.
synergie
(1,901 posts)actual history classes, so they should know better.
Also, those people being rude and those pledging to be Bernie or Bust come in all ages, they should know better but apparently do not know even the history they lived through.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He is one of our best. Shame on all those fools who booed during his speech. Sickening.
He's got a lot of class and cool.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)"I understand they're upset."
SheriffBob
(552 posts)they should eat a snickers bar.
npk
(3,660 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)A group of Sanders supporters attempted to ease tensions with we are in this together chants that clashed with hell no DNC we wont vote for Hillary screams.
This is why we cant do anything a Sanders supporter said of BLMs attempts to keep the two protests separate.
A BLM activist replied that he had joined the Bernie or Bust movement before, but that their this is what democracy looks like motto did not represent his demands as a black man. Ive been shot in the street. You wanna talk about that? he asked the Berner.
Green party candidate, Dr. Jill Stein showed up shortly after, but, even after a megaphone was handed to her by protesters, her words were nearly inaudible to anyone more than 10 feet away from her. Most of the people there did not even know who the woman swarmed by a crowd of cameras was.
The protest rapidly deescalated once the BLM and Bernie or Bust crowds separated for good. Those angry at the DNC were loud, but even at the protests peak, the chaos spoke louder than their message itself.
The relative inconsequence of the protests became even clearer as I left the area in an Uber: I was greeted by the drivers shushing I gotta listen to Bill Clintons speech!
http://linkis.com/www.nationalmemo.com/2eGd1
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