Fer Gawds sake get a grip

[Armstead]

Long ongoing friction is coming to the surface in the convention. But on Thursday night there will be a triumphal speech by Clinton, the balloons will drop, Sanders and a majority of his supporters will go with Clinton (with varying degrees of enthusiasm), and then the campaign will move forward.

There will be some who supported Bernie who will go with Stein instead, or will become totally cynical about partisan politics and focus elsewhere.

If Clinton can convince enough Sanders supporters -- and the overall population -- that she is capable and trustworthy and superior to Trump, she will win. If she can not...well, buckle up because we're in for a bumpy ride.

Regardless, on other levels the friction and give and take between the "centrists" and "progressives" who will work to reform the Democratic Party will continue long into the future. Hopefully, the Bernie movement will lead to enough reforms and open enough doors to create a more level playing field for progressives.

Life will go on.

[msongs]

1. agreed. hysteria is unwarranted so far nt

[drray23]

2. I hope you are right.

Because right now I am not convinced Hillary will be able to speak without major disruptions.

[MFM008]

3. it is not hysteria

to be angry about a classless lack of courtesy.

[LongtimeAZDem]

10. ^^^^^ (nt)

[uponit7771]

17. +1

[Armstead]

21. Meh it's a convention...A little reality seeping through the infomercial is not necessarily bad

There is friction in real life.

[avaistheone1]

32. That allegation can be made by both sides.

[emulatorloo]

4. I hope you are right. Raul Grijalva was just booed.

Hope Bernie and Warren aren't booed tonight.

I will note that IMHO these folks don't speak for or represent the majority of Sanders primary supporters.

[BeyondGeography]

5. Nobody gives a flying fuck how they vote

Sanders supporters are already on board with HRC to the tune of 80-plus percent. This is about a small number of Johnny-come-lately-to-the-party assholes messing with our convention.

[JI7]

13. it's like these fuckers deserve to behave in fucked up ways and we should be thankful

If they claim they will vote for the dem. All while trashing the candidate and party.

Attention seeking entitled a ssholes.

[Armstead]

20. Whatever....that doesn't contradict my point

If 80 percent go for Hillary that takes her closer to election.

[Tatiana]

6. It's almost like SOME have forgotten what Denver 2008, Clinton vs Obama was like.

They even offered Madame Clinton a roll-call as a gesture of good will and an attempt at party unity because Clinton supporters were still having trouble accepting Obama as the party's nominee.

The world didn't end because some people are dissatisfied that the person they supported lost. Those who truly value this country and its citizens will do the right thing.

[JI7]

14. this is nothing like 2008. Obama was not booed

[auntpurl]

30. Obama's NAME was not booed.

For god's sake - they can't even say her NAME.

[uponit7771]

18. Obama was booed in 08?! NO!! People just are making up shit now

[Codeine]

22. I don't recall booing and chanting over speakers at that convention,

mostly because that didn't happen. Clinton's delegates comported themselves as one expects adults should.

This handful of bitterenders are behaving in a way that should result in having their credentials yanked. That they haven't been is indicative of great patience on the part of the the organizers.

[Sparkly]

24. She stopped the delegate counts to nominate Obama by acclamation.

And it was a closer election.

She didn't whine, she didn't make demands, she didn't hold back her endorsement or let the resentments of her supporters fester.

It is a huge contrast.

[Tatiana]

26. There is a difference, but my point is that there were also bitter feelings then.

I remember the comments of some of the Clinton delegates and some of the inappropriate remarks that were made. Many threatened to vote for McCain. I just think they were, perhaps, a tad more experienced in the political process and not willing to embarrass the party as the Sanders "supporters" seemed to be willing to do.

[Sparkly]

28. On DU, or at the convention?

Did she fan the flames by making demands or changes to the platform, refusing to endorse or to encourage her supporters to support Obama?

[Tatiana]

37. Clinton herself did not at all. She carried herself with grace.

Her supporters, on the other hand, openly threatened to vote for McCain -- at the convention and perhaps on this board as well.

Again, my point is that you can't always control your supporters. It looks like the Sanders supporters are hopefully toning things down now.

There should have been changes to the platform and Elijah Cummings said he worked well with Bernie to implement those changes. Bernie has encouraged his supporters to vote for the Clinton/Kaine ticket.

[Sparkly]

44. It was nothing like this.

If you "can't always control your supporters," you can still do your level best to get them to support the party's ticket. Sanders didn't do that.

Now it's late to "encourage" them to do anything -- or to "control" them, either.

[NurseJackie]

7. The "Bernie movement" is becoming its own worst enemy. In the future they'll be scratching...

...their heads and wondering why it is that nobody takes them seriously.

[Armstead]

16. The "Bernie movement" is millions of people

It's Trumpian to lump them (us) all together into one amorphous mass, as if we are all identical clones of each otehr.

[avaistheone1]

33. Correct.

[Haveadream]

8. People who are Democrats *for Bernie only*

do not understand or support what we are all about. It is beyond offensive that delegates should be trashing our Party this way if they only intend to go off to vote Green. We aren't talking about Bernie supporters or voters, we are talking about Democratic delegates who theoretically care about the Democratic Party and its goals. These people are booing mention of civil rights advances and staying quiet at the mention of needing to stop Trump. These are not Democrats.

We see them.

[Armstead]

15. I'm ever so glad you have good eyesight.

I'm always in favor of people being healthy.

[MichiganVote]

27. They don't want to put in the work to build their own party-want to take ours

[adigal]

42. Who is "our's"? I supported bernie and am a Dem nt

[MichiganVote]

50. Then you should have no trouble transitioning to Clinton/Kaine

[Sheepshank]

9. How dismissive to ignore the disaster that the Bernie Supporters brought to the convention

[JI7]

11. racist vile scumbag trash is what those "protestors" are and i want nothing to do with them

These fuckers are going to vote trump in novembet

[WiffenPoof]

12. Thank you

You hit the nail on the head this is exactly correct

[book_worm]

19. The media is stirring things way out of proportion and some on DU are falling for it.

[SalviaBlue]

23. DU = Drama Unlimited

[David__77]

29. Lol that's great.

That occurs to me as true!

[auntpurl]

25. Bullsh*t.

They screamed at a civil rights icon as he talked about his father and his heritage, BLM and women's rights. They screamed at a female AA pastor as she said a PRAYER.

These are disgusting thugs. Bernie delegates on MSNBC saying they will not vote for Hillary, that she should be in prison, that they will vote for Trump. Bernie delegates chanting "LOCK HER UP". These are NOT DEMOCRATS. They're not in my party and I will never again have patience to listen to their ENDLESS COMPLAINTS about everything. But hey guess what, they're not going to be the ones hurt by a Trump presidency! They don't give a SHIT about AAs, Latinos, Muslims, LGBT, women, the working poor, the poor and homeless, or the disabled. They don't give a SHIT about anyone but themselves. They will gleefully watch as those groups I mentioned get ground under the boot of a Trump presidency. They are driven by blind incoherent, violent rage. They must be the most selfish people on earth.

[Sparkly]

31. WELL SAID!!!

But just think, even if Trump wins, their consciences will be clear! And they'll feel good that they didn't compromise their principles! They'll know they are the true progressives! And who care about anyone else...

[bettyellen]

38. Good summary!

[Android3.14]

40. 40 percent of the delegates are not Democrats?

Sounds like you have a problem with reality.

[auntpurl]

41. They're voting for Trump.

So, NO, they're not Democrats!

[Android3.14]

48. If 40 percent of the party is voting for the opposition (they're not)

Then either the party is far smaller than we think, and we are screwed, or your definition of a Democrat is incorrect.

Or your reasoning is incorrect.

[auntpurl]

49. When did I ever say 40%

I'm talking about the people currently disrupting the convention.

[Android3.14]

54. You said "Bernie delegates" in post 25

"They're not in my party and I will never again have patience to listen to their ENDLESS COMPLAINTS about everything."

40% of the delegates are Bernie Delegates.

[auntpurl]

55. I said "Bernie delegates on NBC saying they would never vote for Hillary"

and the other examples.

I never said and never meant all Bernie delegates. I was very clear I'm talking about the hateful disruptors at the convention.

[Android3.14]

57. That's not how people read it

[auntpurl]

58. How do you know how "people" read it?

[Armstead]

52. Yeah just trash a whole movement because some are misbehaving

That's the ticket

[auntpurl]

53. Do not misrepresent me.

I am speaking ONLY about the hateful disruptors at the convention, NOT generalising to Bernie supporters in general.

[KittyWampus]

56. some are "misbehaving" and some are minimizing the offensive crap they're doing

and being apologists for it.

[LongtimeAZDem]

60. ^^^^^ (nt)

[DCBob]

34. This is not "friction".. this is childish ignorant asshole behavior.

Fuck anyone who is booing at this convention.

[Android3.14]

36. You will be busy fucking a heck of a lot of people

I suggest you stock up on lube.

[DCBob]

43. Idiotic reply.

Get lost.

[auntpurl]

46. I am so shakingly furious tonight

These trolls on DU, I tell you, I have no patience for it tonight.

[DCBob]

47. Me too.

Sickening.

[Android3.14]

51. 40% of Democratic delegates are Sanders delegates

They are not trolls. They are a fact, and you guys need to deal with it or risk losing the election by failing to unify the party.

Those emails are a betrayal, and I don't blame the Sanders supporters one bit for being angry. They should dissolve the DNC and vote in a new organization.

I hope someone pays attention. Democratic Party, if you want to unify people, then stop with the name calling, play fair, and offer a real place at the table.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. who, exactly, is booing right now? I don't hear any booing. Haven't heard any in hours.

Are you watching the convention live, or do you have one 10 minute clip from several hours ago on a continuous loop?

[Android3.14]

35. I like your attitude

There is more life in muddy water.

[adigal]

39. I think people love to get the vapors and wail and scream about nothing

Or talk tough about putting a stop to Sanders' supporters.

I'm dismayed.,

[Ken Burch]

59. Thank you for the sanity. n/t.