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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:26 AM Jul 2016

Of Vladimir and Debbie

OK, let's go ahead and say, for the purposes of argument, that indeed, Vlad is backing Trump. It is not at all hard to believe, considering the way that Trump refuses to publish his Tax returns, and that he has already offered many positions that Mr. Putin would prefer to Hillary's. Throw in the warm relationship Trump has with Russian banks, the similar styles on governing (as in let the thugs smash some heads, and the picture become clear. Throw in Wikileaks, where a suspected RAPIST named Julian Assange get rich and famous by tweaking Clinton and Obama, and the fact that someone whose admitted behavior is sexist (balking at using a condom, outraged that he could be prosecuted by the mere word of a woman) and you can easily imagine someone gladly publishing information from a dubious sorts to get his revenge and amusement.

Let us grant, for the sake of argument, ALL OF THAT, every nasty toxic bit. After all, these days are stranger than fiction, and often resemble the bad fiction that no publisher would dare to publish.

What does that change about DWS.

NOTHING.

Now, let's totally leave aside the whole email thing with Hillary; that matter has been so abused and speculated about by all sides that no one can pull a pail out of that well without it being full of fecal matter. Even before James Comey did his whole "I could not get her, but she is guilty I tell ya" that matter was so stirred that it will take years to get any clear proof, which means you cannot "lock her up" after the chance to properly investigate matter has gone with the wind. Grant that. If anything else, would not that tell DWS and her associates that any email correspondence had to be kitchen clean?

The magazines just did a big damned story about the fact Hillary HAD an email server was a scandal, did DWS never think that her email would be looked at?, that the media would comb over everything that got fished up with a fine toothed comb? If you are going to talk about something that could make the news, do you have to do it with something as insecure as email? Hell, to bust La Cosa Nostra, the FBI had to bug several dozen places and get lucky with finding someone like Gotti that could not stop bragging. The DNC just published email like a bunch of Teenagers, and said things like the hot button issue of Sanders being a Jewish athiest. Debbie, you of all people should have slapped down someone who even thought of playing with that book of matches.

Of course, Debbie did not care. Just like when she got ridicule for trying to game the debates to hide Bernie. Even if that was NOT her intent, she should have responded to it. When she went and tried to support Bibi coming to congress as if he were the real president, she first supported, then backed off. Do not say the fact she backed off is the same as not knowing it was a bad thing to do in the first place. When she went to bat for payday lenders, she knew it was bad, she did it anyway. There has been no sense of even tact; look, let's say DWS wanted to be Machiavellian, well, even the Borgias knew you had to use tact, and that if you just charged through mistakes with not intention of correcting them or even offering half-hearted apologies, sooner or later you would be taken down.

Add to this that DWS knew, or should have known, that these actions would not stay uncovered. She could have gotten ahead of the emails by resigning beforehand. Add to this the fact that Debbie is still being given authority, instead of being told to "take a vacation" or at least lay low? One would think that after wrecking one Hillary campaign in 2008, and doing damage in 2016, Hillary would not feel obligated to stand by her.

But there is the damage. DWS can be fully aware of the danger, be it Putin, Assange, trump, or anyone else pouring blood in the water for the sharks. She can be fully aware that she has failed before, in 2008, and the mid terms. She can do all of this and STILL CHARGE FORWARD, because not only does she not think she did no wrong, but those in charge of keeping order in the party do not care.

Now, I am firmly aware that the Greenwalds and other weasels will try to exploit this. We know many of them have fantasies that trump will make things so awful that finally the lumpen proletariat will obey them, or that an ascendant Russia (where many of them get those nice RT paychecks) will make us obey them. None of that at all changes who we will vote against, and we know that failure to vote for the democratic candidate is saying "yes Donald, come into office, park that truck right over my front lawn." However, we are not going to kake ourselves immune from ratf**king if we let the mice run into our kitchen, taking a nice email dump of turds on your food, and expecting us to thank them for it.

Yes, DWS, and those with her, need to be made an example of. Hillary needs to tell people that the days of feasting on her damned tab are over. I say this as a supporter, someone who knows she needs to win this. We have a hard enough time with the people aiming at us from the front, we cannot prop DWS and hope she did not have yet one more scandal to be popped at a crucial time.

PS : references about Julian, another person who got lucky with the internet and has a messiah complex. He is NO hero here.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/12/the_perils_of_charging_rape.html

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Of Vladimir and Debbie (Original Post) DonCoquixote Jul 2016 OP
I disagree and my reasons are here... stevenleser Jul 2016 #1
"Knew or should have known" annavictorious Jul 2016 #2
are you really saying DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #7
Jesus Christ, do we have to destroy her life? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #3
some people are hoping the knight in shining armour will ride to the rescue of the party nt msongs Jul 2016 #4
and no, no knight in armour DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #6
I am not saying she needs to be lynched DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #5
TLDR: "BURN THE WITCH!!!!!! BUUURRRRRRNNNNNN HER!!!!!!!!!!!!" MohRokTah Jul 2016 #8
is getting a job being Burt at the stake? DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #9
 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
2. "Knew or should have known"
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jul 2016

The last time I heard that, Comey was saying it.

DWS is a reasonable woman. No reasonable woman "knew or should have known" that aggrieved parties would demand her head on a plate over an email between two of her staffers in which they kicked around a stupid idea that was never implemented.

Rapey Julian played a faction of the Democratic party in an attempt to sow enough disunity to help Trump get elected. And Rapey Julian did it at Putin's bidding.

It's starting to sound like people are beginning to realize exactly to what extent they were used and manipulated.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
7. are you really saying
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jul 2016

That she should not have known that the jewish comment was a loaded gun, or at talking about this stuff on emails was not a dumb idea.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. Jesus Christ, do we have to destroy her life?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jul 2016

Even if she did some things some people dont agree with, people are acting as though she needs to be lynched in the streets. Here's a better idea: donate to her primary opponent. Dont vote for her. But this mouth foaming anger like some prosecutor at the salem witch trials is a bit grotesque.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
5. I am not saying she needs to be lynched
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jul 2016

I am saying she needs to lay low, and not get her fingers near the Hillary campaign. Let her focus on her own campaign, or gasp, focus on Florida so that the GOP can be stopped from stealing it.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
9. is getting a job being Burt at the stake?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jul 2016

DWS will get a nice fat paycheck for her new job, and have much more influence on this campaign than most will. That is nto even close to a witch burning.

Even if she went back to Florida, she would still be in plush surroundings, hardly punishment at all.

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