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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:16 AM Jul 2016

I am getting so nervous about Tim Kaine. I had a bad feeling beforehand

and it feels like it is coming to fruition.

The GOP is already calling him "corrupt Kaine." It is a blatant lie, of course, but they may be able to sell it to the voters. The gifts he accepted can easily be twisted around. And the Republican Party is all about twisting reality with great success.

I think in her heart she wanted to pick Tom Vilsack. But Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Terry McAuliffe were all pushing her really hard to pick Kaine. I think she gave Bill and Barack too much credit for their judgement.

I know that a lot of posters don't like "concern trolls." But part of why we come here is sometimes to vent. And to worry. It can help to give other people a chance to talk us down, or at least to share our concerns and then point out all the things we have going for us.

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I am getting so nervous about Tim Kaine. I had a bad feeling beforehand (Original Post) StevieM Jul 2016 OP
repubs have slammed hillary for 30 years.. I suspect Kaine can handle 5 months worth nt msongs Jul 2016 #1
They would have come up with a juvenile name tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #2
The group that wanted him know what they are doing. The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #3
Agreed. nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #5
Right. Kaine's basically very clean, Hortensis Jul 2016 #26
well, so you think "groups" never make mistakes? Logical Jul 2016 #40
A Democrat? Panicking? Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #4
Try reading fellow DU member OPs , like this one.. pkdu Jul 2016 #6
Repugs Make Fun Of Clean Air And Equal Right For All Grassy Knoll Jul 2016 #7
I'm sorry, but this post is ridiculously out of line. Concern trolling at its worst. stopbush Jul 2016 #8
I didn't like him; I have many "No Kaine" posts around here. But I've changed my mind about him. NBachers Jul 2016 #9
I'm with you MFM008 Jul 2016 #18
Your "concern" is noted... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #10
I don't understand why you think you can guess what she wants "in her heart". DawgHouse Jul 2016 #11
I don't think you are a "concern troll" OhioBlue Jul 2016 #12
you sir, need to get in line. HR_Pufnstuf Jul 2016 #13
Corrupt Kaine, geez, how original. Iliyah Jul 2016 #14
Trump has been calling Hillary names for months, so I guess she shouldn't be our nominee? brooklynite Jul 2016 #15
Kaine disclosed gifts, McDonald did not, until he was forced to....just Trump being Trump Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #16
A concern troll and a good Democrat that is concerned are two entirely patricia92243 Jul 2016 #17
I don't understand why you believe she would surrender her judgement to the men Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #19
I don't imagine women the way you described at all. StevieM Jul 2016 #21
Gees but you are a NEGATIVE PERSON. get over yourself. Just make sure you tell the truth trueblue2007 Jul 2016 #20
You misunderstood me. I don't believe at all that Tim Kaine is corrupt. But the GOP is very good StevieM Jul 2016 #22
So what? RonniePudding Jul 2016 #24
Of course PatSeg Jul 2016 #27
Better to ask a question than to make a declaritive statement. Old and In the Way Jul 2016 #23
Mostly travel to conferences Cicada Jul 2016 #25
I was just reading ... NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #28
And of course, that "insider information" has Hillary caving to the men around her. Because, you Squinch Jul 2016 #38
Republicans criticized him????? Skinner Jul 2016 #29
Trump voters were never going to vote for Hillary had she chosen Jesus Christ for VP. glennward Jul 2016 #30
and they would have been so welcoming of Elizabeth and Tom . . . DrDan Jul 2016 #31
And look what they did to John Kerry. They took a war hero and made him into a coward. pnwmom Jul 2016 #32
Correction it's Trump who is calling him "corrupt Kaine" and we know the liar he is. book_worm Jul 2016 #33
Take an Ativan rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #34
I'm sure Hillary and her team have nothing to be concerned about. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #35
She could have chosen Jesus himself LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #36
LOL GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #41
So, the little lady let the guys make decisions for her? leftofcool Jul 2016 #37
I am sure that Michelle Obama was pushing hard for Tim Kaine too. StevieM Jul 2016 #46
Oh noes! The Republicans are calling him names?! Nonhlanhla Jul 2016 #39
Ridiculous -- Kaine is like Steve Rogers obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #42
If the worst of the partisan attacks is "he accepted legal gifts" Tarc Jul 2016 #43
Their nominee is a racist autocrat who is accused of raping a 13yr old girl. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #44
Pure perfect Precious innocent wonderful TRUMP! ~ smells like roses!!! Her Sister Jul 2016 #45
Mike Pence once used campaign funds... Adrahil Jul 2016 #47

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
2. They would have come up with a juvenile name
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jul 2016

for whomever she picked. They would have also found some sort of blemish in their record to exploit as well.

Can you imagine what would have happened if she picked Warren? It would have been out of control and their stuff would have been 100 times worse.

If this is the best they can do, we're good.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Right. Kaine's basically very clean,
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:55 AM
Jul 2016

with an excellent reputation, but truth has nothing to do with the right wing character assassination industry. Any Democratic nominee would not be smeared by them, and real issues just make the job they do easier is all.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
8. I'm sorry, but this post is ridiculously out of line. Concern trolling at its worst.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jul 2016

The announcement isn't even 5 hours old and THIS is what you post?

You have no confidence in either traditional Ds or in Hillary's judgement. When in the FUCK have Ds ever been successful allowing concerns about what the fucking Rs say about us influence what we do? Spineless, milquetoast crap that sounds like R-fed bs.

Kaine is a great pick. I'm willing to bet you actually know very little about his life and career.

NBachers

(17,107 posts)
9. I didn't like him; I have many "No Kaine" posts around here. But I've changed my mind about him.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jul 2016

I'm enthusiastic about Tim Kaine, and I support the ticket 100%. I think Hillary made a great choice. And this from a former No Kaine guy. Cruise around the site, and see some of the things people are saying about him.
Start here:

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
11. I don't understand why you think you can guess what she wants "in her heart".
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jul 2016

HRC doesn't strike me as someone who would let others make a decision for her. I hope you don't spend the whole election cycle fretting over what the GOP is saying about our candidates. When they tell lies, it is up to us to share facts with voters.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
12. I don't think you are a "concern troll"
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:40 AM
Jul 2016

I have been learning a lot about Kaine myself today by reading some Duers first hand experiences and articles. I didn't have a good impression before based on some things I read (mostly on FB and DU. The more I am reading about him, I am realizing I was too quick to judge and I'm thinking he was a good choice. Check out this Mother Jone's article:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tim-kaine-vice-president-hillary-clinton-virginia-senate

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
16. Kaine disclosed gifts, McDonald did not, until he was forced to....just Trump being Trump
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jul 2016

Trying to make a tempest in a teapot without even being able to do that correctly.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
17. A concern troll and a good Democrat that is concerned are two entirely
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jul 2016

different things. Troll is the keyword. You are not trolling.

Keep posting your real concerns - that is one of the reasons DU is here

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
19. I don't understand why you believe she would surrender her judgement to the men
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jul 2016

around her. This is HER campaign.

Why is it that men so often imagine women this way? That we're all walking around going, "I really wanted the honeydew but Barack says the kiwis are better, so I guess I have to get them instead."

I am sure they have done a great deal of work, making certain they have any potential loose ends tied up. You can be quite sure the whole team talked to exhaustion all the pros and cons of each choice. I trust that she has made the right decision for her campaign.

Relax. It's going to be fine.




StevieM

(10,500 posts)
21. I don't imagine women the way you described at all.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:42 AM
Jul 2016

You have misjudged me.

I just know that Bill and Barack are successful presidential candidates whose instincts are trusted by many in their orbit. And it was repeatedly reported that they were both pushing for Kaine.

I got the impression--perhaps wrong--that she had a soft spot for Vilsack that she didn't have for anyone else.

If she wins then I suspect Secretary Vilsack will be strongly considered for White House Chief of Staff.

For the record, I think John Kerry would also have been much better of picking Vilsack than Edwards. He was a finalist, along with Edwards and Richard Gephardt.

trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
20. Gees but you are a NEGATIVE PERSON. get over yourself. Just make sure you tell the truth
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:40 AM
Jul 2016

about Senator Kaine. I have heard and read he is a very ethical person so stop calling him corrupt.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
22. You misunderstood me. I don't believe at all that Tim Kaine is corrupt. But the GOP is very good
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jul 2016

at twisting the facts. They can take an ethical man like Tim Kaine and misrepresent him to the American people.

I hope they don't succeed with their lies. I desperately want to win this election.

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
24. So what?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jul 2016

Let's all strap ourselves in and fight the good fight and win or lose with some honor and dignity rather than hiding in some fraidy hole worried about what the GOP fascists are going to say.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
23. Better to ask a question than to make a declaritive statement.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jul 2016

Keep questioning our choices, just don't tell us whar you relly think,

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
25. Mostly travel to conferences
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:46 AM
Jul 2016

It was perfectly legal to accept transportation to political conferences. Also a personal friend who sells clothes gave him clothes. And a trip to an island once for vacation. All perfectly legal and reported.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
28. I was just reading ...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 05:13 AM
Jul 2016

... exactly these same sentiments on a self-described "progressive site". I guess there's a lot of this bullshit going around already.

But I must say I'm impressed by your "insider info" when it comes to who Hill really wanted to choose, and who was involved in "pushing hard for Kaine".

You're apparently someone who's "in the know", so we'll be waiting for your next post with great anticipation.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
38. And of course, that "insider information" has Hillary caving to the men around her. Because, you
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jul 2016

know, that happens.

I sure wish they would have picked someone that Donald wouldn't have called a name. Like Ivanka. Donald would never have called Ivanka a name. Why did Hillary let Bill and Barack talk her out of picking Ivanka?

(sarcasm in case I need it)

 

glennward

(989 posts)
30. Trump voters were never going to vote for Hillary had she chosen Jesus Christ for VP.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:51 AM
Jul 2016

Stop with the FEAR of Kaine. Say something to change your own mind about him and get to work for the ticket!!
The meme that gets repeated is the meme that gets remembered and gets results! Just think how the GOP does it. They throw out a lie, repeat it a million times on TV, get the pundits to repeat it and it becomes fact. Why the hell can't we do the same by repeating some positive meme's?

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
31. and they would have been so welcoming of Elizabeth and Tom . . .
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:55 AM
Jul 2016

this is the GOP, for heavens sake . . . . it's what they do

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
32. And look what they did to John Kerry. They took a war hero and made him into a coward.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jul 2016

There is no candidate we could put forward that they wouldn't twist into an unrecognizable caricature.

But the fact is that he followed Virginia's reporting laws to the letter and most of the gifts were related to work travel. For example, he reported receiving money from Senator Obama's campaign for his travel to campaign events as a "personal gift" because Virginia law had murky reporting rules.

I wish Virginia had different laws, too, but his situation is nothing like the Republican Governor's -- who was convicted of corruption for taking money, gifts, and loans from a company. But that conviction was then overturned by the Supreme Court in an 8 to 0 ruling.

The Republicans are mainly using this to try to turn Democrats against Kaine. We shouldn't fall for it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kaines-acceptance-of-gifts-in-state-office-could-offer-republicans-an-opening/2016/07/22/8508b2cc-4f7f-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

But Republicans have signaled in recent days that they will use Kaine’s acceptance of that and other freebies as a line of attack against the newly selected vice presidential candidate, looking to stoke concern among Democrats that Kaine is not the progressive candidate they had hoped for.

“He followed the rules, but it’s a question of whether the Democrat Party can stomach that coziness with donors,” said former attorney general Jerry Kilgore, the Republican who Kaine defeated in 2005. “Their base, at this point, is anti-corporate America, anti-what these gifts stand for: access and influence.”

Such gifts drew little attention in Virginia until Kaine’s successor, Gov. Robert F. McDonnell, was convicted of federal corruption charges in 2014, accused of accepting gifts and sweetheart loans from a dietary supplement executive in exchange for promoting the businessman’s company.

There are stark differences between Kaine’s gifts and McDonnell’s. For one, Kaine’s gifts were properly disclosed; McDonnell failed to disclose some of what he received.

For another, Kaine has never faced accusations of promising state action in exchange for any of his gifts.

“During his eight years as lieutenant governor and governor, Senator Kaine went beyond the requirements of Virginia law, promptly disclosing any and all gifts received, including those beneath the reporting threshold,” said Kaine spokeswoman Amy Dudley. “All disclosure information — the vast majority of which was for work-related travel expenses rather than gifts — has been publicly available for years and never once raised any concerns of impropriety.”

SNIP

The majority of those gifts came in the form of air travel, including from the 2008 campaign of President Obama, which paid to fly Kaine across the country as a campaign surrogate. Under murky Virginia law, the proper way to disclose such political travel has been unclear; other politicians have disclosed it as a campaign contribution to their political action committee, rather than a personal gift, as did Kaine.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
34. Take an Ativan
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jul 2016

Seriously all this hand wringing nervous Nellie stuff is sad.

It's a fight. No one is handing us a victory. If it were Bernie they'd attack him too.


FFS it's politics not water polo.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
46. I am sure that Michelle Obama was pushing hard for Tim Kaine too.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jul 2016

My point is that there was intense pressure to pick him. And I think that the Obamas should have stayed out of it.

I don't always trust the political judgement of Barack Obama or Bill Clinton. And I think Hillary gave them too much credit in this case.

This is not about her gender. If Bill was running for president, and ex-president Hillary was pushing for Kaine, then I would be sitting here blaming Hillary Clinton and the Obamas for influencing Bill to make a bad decision.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
42. Ridiculous -- Kaine is like Steve Rogers
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jul 2016

He's clean, and so is Anne Holton. They are both legit do gooders.

If Hillary could have picked Fred Rogers, Trump would have called him Corrupt Fred.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
43. If the worst of the partisan attacks is "he accepted legal gifts"
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jul 2016

then I think we're ok. I've skimmed FReeperville since last night, and they cannot really muster any credible argument against him thus far; it's just the gift thing and "he boycotted Netanyahu's speech in 2015".

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
45. Pure perfect Precious innocent wonderful TRUMP! ~ smells like roses!!!
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jul 2016

BLUSHING!!! Just looooooooooooooooove Trump! My heart & my soul know a good thing when I see it!

My bones are reverberating with my sacred tender love for Trump! Trump makes my eyelashes flutter!

I wake up singing hymns (atheist that I am!) for this "GOOD MAN"

This is embarrassing but Trump has overcome me. I cannot help myself!!!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
47. Mike Pence once used campaign funds...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jul 2016

To pay his mortgage. True story. We need people to push back on those attacks.

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