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Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:30 PM

 

Kaine and Warren likely not the VP pick, who say you?

The publicly discussed short list has winnowed with Kaine saying he doesn't expect it will be him and Warren speaking early at the Convention.

Interestingly, James Stavridis has been included in the public short list. But he was clearly on Hillary's actual short list for some time.

What it tells us is that the media doesn't have the full story or the full list and it could (maybe probably will) be someone not yet discussed or reported to be vetted.

Who do you think it could be? Not your preference, but your educated guess.

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Reply Kaine and Warren likely not the VP pick, who say you? (Original post)
morningfog Jul 2016 OP
840high Jul 2016 #1
w4rma Jul 2016 #3
KMOD Jul 2016 #2
DanTex Jul 2016 #4
rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #6
Night Watchman Jul 2016 #20
Zen Democrat Jul 2016 #54
w4rma Jul 2016 #5
chillfactor Jul 2016 #7
w4rma Jul 2016 #8
okasha Jul 2016 #10
BlueStater Jul 2016 #12
Vattel Jul 2016 #32
w4rma Jul 2016 #42
okasha Jul 2016 #53
lunamagica Jul 2016 #43
tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #9
Chan790 Jul 2016 #11
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #52
StevieM Jul 2016 #13
lunamagica Jul 2016 #14
morningfog Jul 2016 #15
MoonRiver Jul 2016 #39
StevieM Jul 2016 #51
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #16
musicblind Jul 2016 #17
Hortensis Jul 2016 #22
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #38
Hortensis Jul 2016 #46
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #47
Hortensis Jul 2016 #48
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #36
OnDoutside Jul 2016 #23
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #37
OnDoutside Jul 2016 #40
BainsBane Jul 2016 #18
morningfog Jul 2016 #30
oberliner Jul 2016 #19
LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #21
DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #24
Vinca Jul 2016 #25
apnu Jul 2016 #26
book_worm Jul 2016 #27
morningfog Jul 2016 #28
Her Sister Jul 2016 #29
Vote2016 Jul 2016 #31
RBInMaine Jul 2016 #44
Vote2016 Jul 2016 #49
NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #33
SheilaT Jul 2016 #55
Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #34
OnDoutside Jul 2016 #41
RBInMaine Jul 2016 #45
Vote2016 Jul 2016 #50
w4rma Jul 2016 #56
voteearlyvoteoften Jul 2016 #35

Response to morningfog (Original post)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:31 PM

1. I don't think Warren will be.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:35 PM

3. Which is why I didn't support Hillary in the primary. (nt)

 

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:35 PM

2. I honestly don't know.

 

The only ones who do know, are the candidates who are being vetted, the Clintons, and their lawyer.

There are probably surprises on her list that are not on anyone's radar.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:35 PM

4. My guess is still Kaine. Just seems like the "safe pick" and running against Trump

there's a logic to going safe.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:51 PM

6. Concur

 

The obvious choice.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:54 AM

20. "I don't expect to be picked"

 

Boilerplate for soon-to-be running mates.

But I'm still betting on Perez!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:52 PM

54. If it's Gingrich or Christie, we need a strong debater. If it's Pence, anyone will do. nt

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:45 PM

5. Booker and Kaine are awful and pokes in the eyes of progressives.

 

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Brown will cost us a very important Senate seat.

Castro and Perez haven't distinguished themselves. They would waste the bully pulpit.

And, I figured out why the media has been pushing Perez: He is a strong supporter of the TPP.

I strongly doubt that she'll surprise the world and pick Sanders.

And, with that list, plus the chemistry that Hillary and Warren have when they campaigned together, I can't really think of who else would be Hillary's VP choice.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:53 PM

7. Julian Castro...n/t

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:02 AM

8. Don't you think he's just a little inexperienced? And looks like it, too? (nt)

 

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Response to w4rma (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:34 AM

10. A VP is either a mentor

or an apprentice. Hillary doesn't need a mentor.

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Response to okasha (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:17 AM

12. She needs someone capable of taking over the country in case something happens to her.

Castro doesn't cut the mustard. Not even slightly.

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Response to w4rma (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:25 AM

32. Castro was also part of the smear campaign against Sanders on immigration issues.

 

So picking him would also be a poke in the eye of Sanders supporters.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:21 PM

42. Agreed. (nt)

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:20 PM

53. I t was his brother Joaquin who was accused

of "smearing" Sanders.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:23 PM

43. I was for Juluan Castro, but now I like Xavier Becerra. He has all of Castros' pluses, but he is a

more solid candidate.

Also, he is fully bilingual, which is not a requirement, but it sure is a plus!

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:27 AM

9. I'm rooting for Kaine...

as long as there's no shady financials. Rachel's clip of him being interviewed in Spanish tonight was pretty incredible as well.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:14 AM

11. Based on nothing but a vibe...

 

I think it's down to two people between Perez and Stavridis. Both seem to be being floated by the campaign to media and I've seen major-media profiles on both within the past 24 hours. So I have a feeling this is the final two options they're weighing; whichever isn't chosen is probably getting a major administration post. This would be the common way to float trial balloons to test how a pick would be received.

Tim Kaine was seemingly floated earlier this week and I think they disliked the read they got on feedback to that balloon.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:20 PM

52. Funny. I am thinking the same. Have nothing to base it one but a hunch.

I think it will be Perez or Stravridis too. More the latter, but we shall see....

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:48 AM

13. I think it will probably be Tom Vilsack. And I am still not ruling out Xavier Becerra. (eom)

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:51 AM

14. Xavier Becerra

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:58 AM

15. I'm tending to think it will be Beccera.

 

His name has come up, but not full trial
Balloon yet.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:28 PM

39. He would be the best choice, imho.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:12 PM

51. I love Becerra and he would be my first choice. But it looks like she is going

in a different direction.

My money is on Tom Vilsack.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:34 AM

16. I had such high hopes on it being Warren. But I just read today that she asked to speak on the

First day of convention. VP's dont speak on the first day typically. So, I am a little (ok. A lot) bummed.

Since it doesn't appear to be Warren, I have no idea. If I just HAD to pick someone, it will be the admiral, stradvirus (I am pretty sure i totally killed that spelling).

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:30 AM

17. I am really sad to hear it isn't Warren.

She was my top hope.

I really don't want it to be Kaine. I don't hate Kaine or anything, but I don't think he will energize people. She needs to ENERGIZE people. Warren is an amazing speaker and would have been perfect for that.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:45 AM

22. Same here. Haven't heard Stavridis speak

but I just read a couple things, one by and one about him, and he's a very interesting guy. The antithesis of the neocon crowd. Wonder what they'd be like together.

That she's looking at him suggests she's very concerned about the promise of a great deal of further unrest in the world due to global warming and disappearing fresh water over the next 8 years. Dealing with world crises piling on each other could easily take all her time.

Still like Perez a lot, and Tim Kaine's probably far more redoubtable than I realize, but...the admiral is interesting.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/07/25/recently-retired-nato-commander-james-stavridis-on-conflict-resolution

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:25 PM

38. Thanks for the link. Hadn't seen that.

If there is going to be an increased military presence, his approach and perspective will be interesting. He sounds like a thinker and doer who gets the big picture. We shall see. Will be interesting for sure.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:35 PM

46. Interesting, all right.

We could become an anti-war saint and still potentially be busier militarily than at any time since the last world war.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:55 PM

47. Wouldn't that be something? Hortensis, if you haven't listened to his TED TALK,

I highly recommend.

Here, I am going to post it in case anyone else wants to see it.

https://www.ted.com/talks/james_stavridis_how_nato_s_supreme_commander_thinks_about_global_security?language=en

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:38 PM

48. I hadn't and now have, thank you.

I'd really like to hear him talk at a more detailed level, but this was inspiring and a nice look at him. It'd be an honor to be his friend.

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Response to musicblind (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:13 PM

36. I feel the same. Kaine isn't very exciting. Maybe he hasn't been given a chance yet to really shine?

That is what I am hoping anyways.

Warren is electric! Not only is she a force in her own right, but choosing her can translate to downline success as well. That was part of my hope. There has been some speculation that she would outshine Hillary. I find that just offensive. We CAN have 2 powerful and accomplished women working together. She would be quite an asset for the Hillary Presidency. We shall see.....

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:42 AM

23. It might be genuine but it COULD be a smokescreen until they see who Trump picks.

They could always change her to later in the week.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:18 PM

37. It could. There's still hope....

But I am not holding my breath. Trump is suddenly adding a general to the vetting mix. They must have some information that is lending them to look at someone with military experience.

I don't know. Total speculation. Just a hunch. But maybe they anticipate an increased military presence?

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #37)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:54 PM

40. I doubt that Trump would pick a military person, who would also be an untested politician like him.

I think the Clinton campaign are just covering the bases.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:40 AM

18. Tom Perez, maybe?

So hard to say.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:50 AM

30. It very well could be him. Perez or Becerra.

 

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:45 AM

19. Tom Vilsack

 

The ultimate safe choice.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:00 AM

21. I don't like the idea of a unknown military being in the executive.

Actually any military.

I don't see Vilsack offering anything to the campaign.

I am thinking that just because Warren is slotted to speak first doesn't mean she is out. Things could change. Or it could be a planned surprise to make people believe she isn't the pick.

If Kaine was Hispanic himself I would be right with him. But he isn't. I'm leaning more toward Perez. I wish Castro had more in his resume.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:46 AM

24. I think all the names being floated are,

for the most part, smoke screens. I think she's had someone specific in mind all along, but is waiting to see what the Rethugs do before she makes a final decision.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:04 AM

25. She needs to pick someone who is going to generate a little bit of excitement.

Okay . . . a whole lot of excitement. I'm still in Warren's corner, but I don't think it will happen.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:11 AM

26. Julian Castro! (nt)

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:18 AM

27. Just because Kaine says it won't be him doesn't mean it won't be and also

the Clinton campaign went to great length to say that just because EW has a early speaking slot doesn't eliminate her from the VP stakes.

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Response to book_worm (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:33 AM

28. Sure, anything is possible. But I would bet money it won't be either

 

of them.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:40 AM

29. Not sure! Lots of good & interesting choices!

 

Have not heard about James Stavridis being a choice before. He seems very smart and experienced in both military and the law.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:16 AM

31. Kaine doubles down on "change = bad; status quo = good" which wins no votes but loses many.

 

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Response to Vote2016 (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:13 PM

44. Bullshit.

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:51 PM

49. On what issue is Kaine to the left of Obama (who is the status quo)?

 

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:31 AM

33. If I had to guess, I would anticipate someone

 

who will generate interest among the heavy campaign donor class like possibly

- Joe Manchin of WV
- Joe Donnelly of IN
- Claire McCaskill of CA

Chris Matthews has even mentioned a few times that Hillary should choose Kasich, so who knows...perhaps he had some inside info?

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:00 PM

55. Claire McCaskill is from Missouri, not California.

 

I'm very unimpressed with her as Senator. I used to live on the Kansas side of the border, near Kansas City, MO, so I was aware of her as she held various elective offices and ran for others.

Plus, at 62 she's too close in age to Clinton. I want to see the VP pick at least a decade younger than Hillary.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:37 AM

34. Not Kaine please.

 

Tired of that entire spectrum of mealy mouthed and biased politicians with the anti gay past history.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:55 PM

41. There would be few who would have a pro gay past. More important is where they are now.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:14 PM

45. Almost everyone has evolved on this. Don't be so single-issue.

 

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:57 PM

50. Picking Kaine would be a huge boon to Jill Stein and brings exactly zero votes to the table. Kaine

 

would be a confession that Hillary fears being upstaged and that fear drove her VP selection. Picking Kaine is a surrender to the lack of confidence. We win with Kaine (maybe?) in 2016 but Hillary-Kaine loses to Ryan on 2020.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:08 AM

56. Kaine voted to Fast Track the TPP. The only people he impressed with that vote were his donors. (nt)

 

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:29 AM

35. Bernie

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