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This makes me so proud (Original Post) randr Mar 2012 OP
Ditto! catbyte Mar 2012 #1
What a beautiful First Family! I can be proud of them, too. csziggy Mar 2012 #2
Sitting on top of my tv. Son says they're the cousins we never get to see except on tv...LOL...n/t monmouth Mar 2012 #3
And lsewpershad Mar 2012 #4
Because? nt. harmonicon Mar 2012 #5
Aside from it being a positive depiction of an African American Family. vaberella Mar 2012 #6
I don't think any of those are things to be proud of. harmonicon Mar 2012 #8
No one is asking you to be proud of it... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #9
I just ask the question. harmonicon Mar 2012 #12
Different group zipplewrath Mar 2012 #17
Or, you know, you could just ignore it... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #18
If you post in a discussion group zipplewrath Mar 2012 #19
I didn't post it... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #20
Like I say, it's a discussion group zipplewrath Mar 2012 #21
Being dismissive isn't creating a discussion... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #22
LOL Tx4obama Mar 2012 #10
I care more about policy than demographics. harmonicon Mar 2012 #13
Yeah that's the problem. vaberella Mar 2012 #15
"What if There Were 83 Women Senators? " - Bernie Sanders Tx4obama Mar 2012 #11
That's the kind of old white guy I'm talking about. harmonicon Mar 2012 #14
To that all I can say is whatever... vaberella Mar 2012 #16
Post #8 isn't zipplewrath Mar 2012 #23
I received that picture in the mail yesterday. sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #7

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
6. Aside from it being a positive depiction of an African American Family.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 03:00 PM
Mar 2012

It does shoe a new face to the White House that has never been there before. Now I'm waiting for interracial, Asian (East or West) American, and homosexual couple with their kids in the White house.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
8. I don't think any of those are things to be proud of.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 03:21 PM
Mar 2012

Sure, I voted for Obama, and I will again, but I'm just one vote - it's not like it was my doing or something I should be proud of. As for his family, I really just don't care, so long as there's no hypocrisy between his policies and how he lives his life. I can't think of any reason why I should know what they look like. If I go for a job interview, the interviewer shouldn't care about my family.

Sure, I teared up a bit on election night, knowing that we had our first African American president. That said, I'd rather have 60-something white guys run the country for eternity, if their policies were good and effective, than have presidents which reflect the populace in a superficial way.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
9. No one is asking you to be proud of it...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:06 AM
Mar 2012

People find pride in different stories and backgrounds. My grandparents, Irish-Catholics, kept a photo of JFK on the mantel for decades after JFK's death. Why? Because they were proud 'one of them' had made it to the presidency. Especially since their parents had emigrated over here at the height of Irish bigotry.

If you don't find pride in the Obamas, that's your right. But there is no need to dismiss someone else finding pride in that photo.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
12. I just ask the question.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:18 AM
Mar 2012

I don't mean to be dismissing the opinions of others, but to also contribute my own to the discussion.

The example you give of your grandparents are feelings that I can't relate to. Maybe it's because of how I was raised, and maybe it's because of how I've lived my adult life (the last five years of which has been living as an immigrant in the UK). I feel very passionate about politics and policy, but just don't have it in me to feel anything personally about politicians.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
17. Different group
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 09:32 AM
Mar 2012

You can safely post these kinds of observations in the Barak Obama Group without these kinds of opinions being expressed. If you don't want these kind of responses to your posts, that's probably the place to put them. Actually, it's kinda the purpose of the whole group.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
19. If you post in a discussion group
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

You should expect some discussion. You seemed to not want discussion of your point of view. So I thought I offer you the option to avoid it.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
20. I didn't post it...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:43 PM
Mar 2012

And I don't think someone has to explain why they find pride in that photo. If you don't feel pride in it, great, just move along. It's that simple. No need to make an issue of someone else's pride.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
21. Like I say, it's a discussion group
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:48 PM
Mar 2012

If you post something in a discussion group, one should expect people to discuss it. We have groups specifically for people who DON'T want discussions. That's why they're there.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
10. LOL
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:34 AM
Mar 2012

You said: " ... 60-something white guys run the country for eternity, if their policies were good and effective, ... "

Well that is the problem. Their policies would be good and effective 'the majority of the time' for only 'white guys'

We need a Congress with diversity and a hell of a lot more females.


harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
13. I care more about policy than demographics.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:27 AM
Mar 2012

I guess what I would really like would be for our politicians to actually represent the thoughts and feelings of their constituents.

Would you really rather have Lisa Murkowski in the Senate than a liberal male Democrat?

Do you think the Bush administration was somehow better because Condoleezza Rice is a black woman, or was it worse because her policies are bat-shit crazy?

All things being equal, of course I would like for the people in our government to be reflective of the population, but I'd happily forego that in favour of a group of people who I think would make the right policy decisions regardless of their appearance.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
15. Yeah that's the problem.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 05:42 AM
Mar 2012

The constitutents are a varied group that demand many different things at different times and or at the same time and unfortunately we do have politicians who don't care but some of the few face the problem of meeting that. Shit, Mississippi constituents actually vote in they're reps it would seem---and they most definitely don't look after the self interest of the their constituents---shit is the constituents want it that way.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
11. "What if There Were 83 Women Senators? " - Bernie Sanders
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:37 AM
Mar 2012

03/01/12: "What if There Were 83 Women Senators? " - Bernie Sanders




harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
14. That's the kind of old white guy I'm talking about.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:30 AM
Mar 2012

I really wouldn't mourn the loss of minority Senators if it meant we could have 99 more Bernies in there.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
16. To that all I can say is whatever...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 05:44 AM
Mar 2012

Bernie Sanders can never know the full extent of what some people suffer or even write policies to accomodate those special needs. I say what I say mainly because, well. Bernie Sanders learned from women why the fuckin' hell the pill would be important to them. He would not instinctively know this or the full extent of the use of the pill without getting that knowledge from his colleagues or more than likely women in the field. Much like how could he truly relate or understand the Black plight without actually learning and meeting Black people to get an idea if not truly the reality. Republicans have done the same they just choose to vote otherwise. However the don't assume as you seem to be doing making one Liberal makes one open to all things and beliefs or understanding to all things. I have met many a liberal who have left me cold and while many more republicans who have left me murderous. I think the diversity is fundamental a liberal not meet all things, because they are still humans with human hang-ups, issues and idiosyncrasies. Unfortunately.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
23. Post #8 isn't
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 04:05 PM
Mar 2012

Not really sure what's "dismissive" about post #8. He is discussing, at length, the idea of being proud and the significance of family on job performance.

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