Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:21 PM

lapucelle (14,902 posts)

Reaching out

I was a Clinton supporter in 2008. I remember my disappointment at the outcome of the primary and my anger at the process. (Entire states that favored Clinton were disenfranchised because they had broken scheduling rules.) However, most Clinton supporters rose above their raw emotions and cast their ballots for the Democratic nominee. For many it hurt to cast that vote, but it was the right thing to do.

It worries me that some of the Sanders partisans have taken the "Sanders or nobody" position. At that point, it becomes a cult of personality. In my opinion, when it's all about one particular person (rather than an agenda or a platform), we're in a danger zone.

I was a young mother when Reagan was elected and destroyed the middle class. My husband is a lucky 9/11 survivor who made it out of the towers alive despite G.W. Bush's willful ignorance of intelligence warning of an attack.

I know how dangerous a dangerous president can be.

Vote for the Democrat, vote Green, or write in Sanders's name if your state has that option. Any one of these choices would be "doing the right thing".

But please don't weaponize your vote by casting it for Trump. That is an indulgence that the country can ill afford.

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Reaching out (Original post)	lapucelle	Jun 2016	OP
Good advice. I'll be voting for the candidate I prefer. It won't be Trump.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2016	#1
It's tough when your candidate loses a race. Fortunately, most come around after primary setback.	Hoyt	Jun 2016	#2
Back in 2008 the Clinton supporters had their equivalent to the BoB'ers ... the PUMAs	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#3
In the beginning of the aftermath of the 2008 primaries, I was a PUMA.	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#4
The vast majority also ended up voting for Obama.	TwilightZone	Jun 2016	#5
As I was a bit of a PUMA in 2008, I can speak on this tangent	Tarc	Jun 2016	#6
Yes, you are all correct ... most of the PUMAs did become Obama supporters ... her concession speech	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#8
Hope so but then Bernie may not give such a concession speech	treestar	Jun 2016	#35
A similar gesture Might be?	DLCWIdem	Jun 2016	#67
I heard some of the PUMAs became tRump supporters and Birthers	DLCWIdem	Jun 2016	#54
Whould would a PUMA become a tRump supporter? That makes no sense at all	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#68
a few became Birthers 8 years ago and went with Birtherism	DLCWIdem	Jun 2016	#70
That wouldn't necessarily make them a tRump supporter now	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#71
well they joined Trump and his birtherism but it was only a few	DLCWIdem	Jun 2016	#75
Trump came into the whole birther movement late in the game.	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#93
And some went Tea Party.	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#92
She did the heavy lifting for Obama then. Expected to do it again instead of Sanders	robbedvoter	Jun 2016	#20
The actual Democratic BoBers are rare.	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#11
I'm sure quite a number of them around here are actually Republicans as well n/t	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#12
Right, because Sanders positions are so much closer to the GOP than Clinton's.	NorthCarolina	Jun 2016	#81
No, because probably some Republicans have come over here to cause dissention	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#89
Yeah, Nader purists.	joshcryer	Jun 2016	#57
short memories as well, just like they had forgotten how bad Reagan was in 2000	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#59
Well, they had it good under Bush.	joshcryer	Jun 2016	#60
Bush was good for the progressive entertainment complex just like Obama was great for the rightwing	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#62
Wrong.	pinebox	Jun 2016	#21
Go ahead, be a BoB'er ... be irrelevant ... I really don't care	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#22
Who said I'm a BOB'er?	pinebox	Jun 2016	#23
Everything you just wrote is pretty much BoB material	Blue_Adept	Jun 2016	#24
Except I'm not	pinebox	Jun 2016	#78
If you have such disdain	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#27
Why are you here?	pinebox	Jun 2016	#80
I never said I wanted to "quell" anyone	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#84
Many of us are indy libs	pinebox	Jun 2016	#85
It can indeed be difficult to show a thing which consistently cowers behind implication.	LanternWaste	Jun 2016	#73
Every time it's "this time is different." It's not. Anger will fade, people come to their senses.	YouDig	Jun 2016	#25
Didn't they vote the same like 80% of the time?	treestar	Jun 2016	#37
There are still PUMAs.	blackspade	Jun 2016	#34
That makes no sense whatsoever	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#42
Sure it does	blackspade	Jun 2016	#88
No, there isn't (or at least the number is few) ... but you believe what you want n/t	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#90
Cult of personality ....do explain.	peace13	Jun 2016	#7
I think you misunderstand me.	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#9
Not slapping your hand but your idea...	peace13	Jun 2016	#15
It's not about Bernie. It's about his platform. I would just as easily vote for Warren or an AI with	MillennialDem	Jun 2016	#55
It's not "Sanders or nobody."	LWolf	Jun 2016	#10
We are sick and tired	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#28
+1000	BigMin28	Jun 2016	#74
No Worries! Hillary has it in the Bag!	2banon	Jun 2016	#13
TPTB want Hillary, so that is what they will get? Are you saying our votes are totally irrelevant?	peacebird	Jun 2016	#26
Yes that is what they are saying!	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#58
People who think Bernie supporters would vote for Trump really shock me. It just shows how	jillan	Jun 2016	#14
Some people really hate Hillary.	peace13	Jun 2016	#16
I think those that supported Bernie and refuse to vote for her will vote for Jill.	jillan	Jun 2016	#17
They may have different beliefs	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#30
Trump's position on trade deals is bullshit.	Adrahil	Jun 2016	#50
We seen them.post it over and over	DLCWIdem	Jun 2016	#72
Are you referring to Bernie when you say his own party doesn't want him?	jillan	Jun 2016	#91
There is no justification to vote Green, sorry.	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#18
Their platform is quite progressive.	EndElectoral	Jun 2016	#76
and ?	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#77
Probably true for those that vote party over policy. -nt-	NorthCarolina	Jun 2016	#82
How is throwing a vote into a wishing well, voting for policy	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#83
Guess the DNC higherups should have put some thought into that	NorthCarolina	Jun 2016	#86
whatever. You are clearly not serious about real change.	BootinUp	Jun 2016	#87
No, it's not a cult of personality that I won't be voting for Hillary	jfern	Jun 2016	#19
I don't believe any Bernie supporter would vote for Trump. I find that offensive	B Calm	Jun 2016	#29
Why should that sentence be deleted?	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#31
Show me a link on DU where a Bernie supporter claims they are voting for Trump.	B Calm	Jun 2016	#33
Who died	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#36
Who made you the OP spokesman? Skinner wants the party to unite. This type	B Calm	Jun 2016	#38
You are being silly	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#39
So being offended by a Hillary supporter is now considered being silly.	B Calm	Jun 2016	#40
If the truth offends you	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#44
You have yet to proven what you consider the truth. Show me a link on DU	B Calm	Jun 2016	#46
You didn't say DU	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#48
and you are not the OP.	B Calm	Jun 2016	#49
Be well my fellow Democrat n/t	LoverOfLiberty	Jun 2016	#51
You too. Now let's work together and stop with the divisive comments.	B Calm	Jun 2016	#53
If you think I will bring unity I will delete my comment inthe interest of unity.	DLCWIdem	Jun 2016	#79
20%, according to a WaPo/ABC poll	TwilightZone	Jun 2016	#41
What's the % of Bernie supporters on DU who are voting for Trump?	B Calm	Jun 2016	#43
" I don't believe any Bernie supporter would vote for Trump."	TwilightZone	Jun 2016	#45
We are posting on DU, aren't we?	B Calm	Jun 2016	#47
that's probably a pool of disaffected white men who hate Hillary Clinton and are looking	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#61
You lost me on candidates.	B Calm	Jun 2016	#63
oops, fixed it--voters nt	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#64
LOL	B Calm	Jun 2016	#65
data for you:	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#69
The possibility that some Sanders's supporters may cast their November ballots for Trump	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#94
No Sanders supporter is going to vote for Trump.	blackspade	Jun 2016	#32
You might try not offending every progressive in this coountry with that last sentence	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#52
It is absolutely not a cult of personality. It's issues. Bernie doesn't want to be the dear leader,	MillennialDem	Jun 2016	#56
Please don't waste time worrying about an insignificant demographic.	Orsino	Jun 2016	#66

Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:23 PM

Reaching out

1. Good advice. I'll be voting for the candidate I prefer. It won't be Trump.

2. It's tough when your candidate loses a race. Fortunately, most come around after primary setback.

3. Back in 2008 the Clinton supporters had their equivalent to the BoB'ers ... the PUMAs

4. In the beginning of the aftermath of the 2008 primaries, I was a PUMA.

5. The vast majority also ended up voting for Obama.

6. As I was a bit of a PUMA in 2008, I can speak on this tangent

8. Yes, you are all correct ... most of the PUMAs did become Obama supporters ... her concession speech

35. Hope so but then Bernie may not give such a concession speech

67. A similar gesture Might be?

54. I heard some of the PUMAs became tRump supporters and Birthers

68. Whould would a PUMA become a tRump supporter? That makes no sense at all

70. a few became Birthers 8 years ago and went with Birtherism

71. That wouldn't necessarily make them a tRump supporter now

75. well they joined Trump and his birtherism but it was only a few

93. Trump came into the whole birther movement late in the game.

92. And some went Tea Party.

20. She did the heavy lifting for Obama then. Expected to do it again instead of Sanders

11. The actual Democratic BoBers are rare.

12. I'm sure quite a number of them around here are actually Republicans as well n/t

81. Right, because Sanders positions are so much closer to the GOP than Clinton's.

89. No, because probably some Republicans have come over here to cause dissention

57. Yeah, Nader purists.

59. short memories as well, just like they had forgotten how bad Reagan was in 2000

60. Well, they had it good under Bush.

62. Bush was good for the progressive entertainment complex just like Obama was great for the rightwing

21. Wrong.

22. Go ahead, be a BoB'er ... be irrelevant ... I really don't care

23. Who said I'm a BOB'er?

24. Everything you just wrote is pretty much BoB material

78. Except I'm not

27. If you have such disdain

80. Why are you here?

84. I never said I wanted to "quell" anyone

85. Many of us are indy libs

73. It can indeed be difficult to show a thing which consistently cowers behind implication.

25. Every time it's "this time is different." It's not. Anger will fade, people come to their senses.

37. Didn't they vote the same like 80% of the time?

34. There are still PUMAs.

42. That makes no sense whatsoever

88. Sure it does

90. No, there isn't (or at least the number is few) ... but you believe what you want n/t

7. Cult of personality ....do explain.

9. I think you misunderstand me.

15. Not slapping your hand but your idea...

55. It's not about Bernie. It's about his platform. I would just as easily vote for Warren or an AI with

10. It's not "Sanders or nobody."

28. We are sick and tired

74. +1000

13. No Worries! Hillary has it in the Bag!

26. TPTB want Hillary, so that is what they will get? Are you saying our votes are totally irrelevant?

58. Yes that is what they are saying!

14. People who think Bernie supporters would vote for Trump really shock me. It just shows how

16. Some people really hate Hillary.

17. I think those that supported Bernie and refuse to vote for her will vote for Jill.

30. They may have different beliefs

50. Trump's position on trade deals is bullshit.

72. We seen them.post it over and over

91. Are you referring to Bernie when you say his own party doesn't want him?

18. There is no justification to vote Green, sorry.

76. Their platform is quite progressive.

77. and ?

82. Probably true for those that vote party over policy. -nt-

83. How is throwing a vote into a wishing well, voting for policy

86. Guess the DNC higherups should have put some thought into that

87. whatever. You are clearly not serious about real change.

19. No, it's not a cult of personality that I won't be voting for Hillary

29. I don't believe any Bernie supporter would vote for Trump. I find that offensive

31. Why should that sentence be deleted?

33. Show me a link on DU where a Bernie supporter claims they are voting for Trump.

36. Who died

38. Who made you the OP spokesman? Skinner wants the party to unite. This type

39. You are being silly

40. So being offended by a Hillary supporter is now considered being silly.

44. If the truth offends you

46. You have yet to proven what you consider the truth. Show me a link on DU

48. You didn't say DU

49. and you are not the OP.

51. Be well my fellow Democrat n/t

53. You too. Now let's work together and stop with the divisive comments.