Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:06 PM

SwampG8r (10,287 posts)

Has hillary earned bernie sanders endorsement?

Given that her surrogates and followers have so much hatred for what he represents why should he give what hasnt been earned?

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115 replies	Author	Time	Post
Has hillary earned bernie sanders endorsement? (Original post)	SwampG8r	Jun 2016	OP
ia it the 20th yet?	niyad	Jun 2016	#1
We're on the countdown.	kstewart33	Jun 2016	#32
SwampG8r, no one "hates" what Bernie	Hortensis	Jun 2016	#54
You must not come here often, huh?	Scootaloo	Jun 2016	#60
Why go on the HRC group? I don't go on the Sanders group - I don't like getting heartburn.	kerry-is-my-prez	Jun 2016	#71
I think Hortensis is talking about the discourse on GD-P.	kstewart33	Jun 2016	#91
The corollary being just as valid, regardless of the horse you rode in on.	LanternWaste	Jun 2016	#112
You really should take your blinders off ... you're only seeing what you want to see	SFnomad	Jun 2016	#2
At this point, it doesn't really matter whether he endorses or not.	Squinch	Jun 2016	#3
hard to believe but the woman does not need the loner man's endorsement nt	msongs	Jun 2016	#4
Yes, she does	AgingAmerican	Jun 2016	#31
Yes, every woman needs the endorsement of a man	WhiteTara	Jun 2016	#37
How so?	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#58
that's correct. Bernie is now waging a personal vendetta against the dnc. Nothing to do with	MariaThinks	Jun 2016	#87
Is it the 20th yet? My full ignore finger is getting tired.	redstatebluegirl	Jun 2016	#5
Mines not so off you go	SwampG8r	Jun 2016	#7
Ditto	Trajan	Jun 2016	#77
You mean like	Andy823	Jun 2016	#84
No. Hillary has to change a lot	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#8
LOL. When you say she is weak that makes your hero worse than weak	redstateblues	Jun 2016	#11
+ i kazillion	charlyvi	Jun 2016	#16
Double digit lead in the polls is weak?	demosincebirth	Jun 2016	#57
Then why be harping on Bernie?	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#88
Are you sure you replied to the right post? I really don't understand what you are saying.	demosincebirth	Jun 2016	#92
Resolved: HRC is a weak candidate	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#94
Your hatred of Hillary overcomes your logic. We don't need you or your fringe group to win.	demosincebirth	Jun 2016	#95
My hatred?	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#97
HRC is not a weak candidate. She walloped Bernie and is ahead of Trump.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2016	#96
Bernie speaks for me	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#99
My post is childish? Not even close. YOUR post is childish.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2016	#100
You labeled Bernie as poor sportsman	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#101
YOU get this straight: not conceding IS poor sportsmanship.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2016	#103
Now that is just dumb	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#104
The longer he waits, the less credibility he will have.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2016	#105
Mine too. Say hello to the other people I've also put on ignore.	Miles Archer	Jun 2016	#36
Welcome to mine.	Amaril	Jun 2016	#40
At the end of the primary, the opposing sides within the party come together	Tarc	Jun 2016	#6
She doesn't need it	KingFlorez	Jun 2016	#9
Good, then people should quit demanding he do it. nt	Live and Learn	Jun 2016	#24
She does not need to "earn" the votes.	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2016	#10
Hillary has been in establishment forever	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#13
Sanders has been establishment forever	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2016	#14
Sanders has done nothing?	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#15
+10,000 Some people only see what they want to see. nt	Live and Learn	Jun 2016	#23
He voted again and again to support the war	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2016	#25
he voted to support the troops, and the senate does not hold the purse strings. please keep up	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#49
He was for it before he was against it.	redstateblues	Jun 2016	#59
Ridiculous post. nt	Live and Learn	Jun 2016	#64
this is so wrong	RazBerryBeret	Jun 2016	#47
raz, it is who they are.	litlbilly	Jun 2016	#113
Hillarys body of work was aimed at making the world a better place for corporations. She has always	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#50
"Always" --going back to working for Marion Wright Edelman's group?	Hekate	Jun 2016	#76
Bernie has never had a job outside or government	WhiteTara	Jun 2016	#41
Being a civil servant does NOT equal establishment.	pinebox	Jun 2016	#44
He's not in an elite group?	WhiteTara	Jun 2016	#48
chosen on merit, now thats a term not related to Clinton	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#56
Said by someone who has no actual clue. Tick tock.	Hekate	Jun 2016	#79
"Tick tock!" Eveyone drink!	pinebox	Jun 2016	#85
Pinebox's post was hidden by a Bad Jury Decision.	John Poet	Jun 2016	#90
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#86
demonize and demean...	RazBerryBeret	Jun 2016	#66
All politicians need to earn votes	AgingAmerican	Jun 2016	#33
Sure. She has won the primary elections. If he's a Democrat, then	MineralMan	Jun 2016	#12
there it is, Rah rah rah for the party again. No self respecting democrat will roll over this time	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#45
No and she never will.	Pastiche423	Jun 2016	#17
I personally don't believe she has.	Juicy_Bellows	Jun 2016	#18
Yes, when she won the primary.	wildeyed	Jun 2016	#19
No, and I wouldn't believe her if she tried.	Ino	Jun 2016	#20
pit vipers lure you in , then strike	swhisper1	Jun 2016	#39
Not just NO, but HELL NO. nt	Live and Learn	Jun 2016	#21
She beat him in the DEMOCRATIC primary, so YES.	JoePhilly	Jun 2016	#22
I don't have personal hatred for Sanders	MyNameGoesHere	Jun 2016	#26
The routine bile directed at Nader undercuts your criticism rather nicely.	JonLeibowitz	Jun 2016	#107
The burden is completely on Bernie Sanders....	FarPoint	Jun 2016	#27
Not a chance	Ned_Devine	Jun 2016	#28
Guess we'll have to win without you. You are one of the very few "Democrats" who	redstateblues	Jun 2016	#62
In all the heated, angry exchanges I've here had on DU, I've never told anyone to"go fuck yourself"	Chasstev365	Jun 2016	#67
Changed	Ned_Devine	Jun 2016	#70
Newp. nt	nc4bo	Jun 2016	#29
Who cares?	jamese777	Jun 2016	#30
Results...	Major Nikon	Jun 2016	#38
No	Miles Archer	Jun 2016	#34
Can never be " earned	laserhaas	Jun 2016	#35
If the primaries & Caucuses Had Been Close but they weren't	jamese777	Jun 2016	#42
I can't speak for Bernie but she hasn't earned mine. nt	Autumn	Jun 2016	#43
Hillary hasn't earned my vote.	pinebox	Jun 2016	#46
While Bernie fans practiced protests for the DNC, millennials for Hillary registered folks to vote	riversedge	Jun 2016	#51
We Bernie supporters did all of our registering during the primaries, when Hillary was turning	w4rma	Jun 2016	#108
Absolutely not.	99Forever	Jun 2016	#52
She can win with or without Bernie	book_worm	Jun 2016	#53
I don't see anyone hating. You must run with a very different crowd. Sanders voters won't follow	bettyellen	Jun 2016	#55
The more you people spew you hatred of HRC, the more support she gets.	demosincebirth	Jun 2016	#61
Then there is the argument that she is more electable without Sanders' endorsement.	eastwestdem	Jun 2016	#63
Sanders has made it clear that he will never endorse.	lapucelle	Jun 2016	#65
Nobody has "hatred for what he represents". It's his (and his supporters) behavior	Lil Missy	Jun 2016	#68
Who cares? She will win with or without it. She doen't need the 100 or 100k who	lunamagica	Jun 2016	#69
We won't stay home, we simply won't vote for Hillary	peacebird	Jun 2016	#72
OK	lunamagica	Jun 2016	#73
So what? Trump will lose too.	NNadir	Jun 2016	#74
Never said I would vote Trump. So not my concern	peacebird	Jun 2016	#75
I couldn't care less who or what you vote for or against. Your vote is irrelevant in the fight...	NNadir	Jun 2016	#78
Hillarys good friend Donald was a surprise. i don't think Bill expected him to do this well.	peacebird	Jun 2016	#81
There are votes all over, especially this year!	Walk away	Jun 2016	#80
Tomorrow, tomorrow	MFM008	Jun 2016	#82
Newt Gingrich wants to bring back HUAC. Roger Stone says that Huma Abedin's presence.....	Hekate	Jun 2016	#83
He would say not, and I would say he has not earned a speaking spot at the convention nt	geek tragedy	Jun 2016	#89
no. she has work to do to achieve that.	Betty Karlson	Jun 2016	#93
Yes, of course. And if Bernie had won, he'd have earned her endorsement.	pnwmom	Jun 2016	#98
She is the presumptive nominee. She doesn't need to earn his endorsement.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2016	#102
I don't give a flyin' fuck ...	NanceGreggs	Jun 2016	#106
Someone alerted on you for swearing:	sufrommich	Jun 2016	#110
SDS: Sanders Derangement Syndrome	Night Watchman	Jun 2016	#109
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#111
Nope.id be blue if i did	SwampG8r	Jun 2016	#114
Has Bernie earned a speaking slot at the convention?	Sheepshank	Jun 2016	#115

Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:08 PM

niyad (74,350 posts)

1. ia it the 20th yet?

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Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:30 AM

kstewart33 (6,550 posts)

32. We're on the countdown.

When posts like this thread will be so over.

On to the general.

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:09 PM

Hortensis (42,981 posts)

54. SwampG8r, no one "hates" what Bernie

represents politically. You should not somehow imagine that irritated blowback against the bad behavior of some of his followers is somehow a rejection of his policies. It's a rejection of their behavior.

I, for instance, really don't like bernistas saying his opponent makes them feel ill, or is a war criminal, is bought and paid for by Wall Street, belongs in jail, etc. ad nauseum. This disgraceful behavior has absolutely nothing to do with what Bernie "represents" and everything to do with their behavior. Which they own, and no one else.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:26 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

60. You must not come here often, huh?

Go read the HRC group. Not only will you see that the hatred is real and firmly directed at Bernie and his political ideas, but also that that Hillary supporters aren't exactly entitled to talk about the behavior of others.

Sorry to say, but your high horse is a falabella.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #60)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:46 PM

kerry-is-my-prez (8,078 posts)

71. Why go on the HRC group? I don't go on the Sanders group - I don't like getting heartburn.

There's enough crap on this forum to cause major aggravation for both Sanders and Clinton supporters.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #60)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:00 PM

kstewart33 (6,550 posts)

91. I think Hortensis is talking about the discourse on GD-P.

If you have to go to the HC support group for your evidence, she's made her point.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #60)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:18 AM

LanternWaste (36,771 posts)

112. The corollary being just as valid, regardless of the horse you rode in on.

"but also that that Hillary supporters aren't exactly entitled to talk about the behavior of others..."

The corollary being just as valid, regardless of the horse you rode in on. However, I think we may safely presume you'll rationalize the same behavior as righteous-- bias can do that.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:08 PM

SFnomad (3,473 posts)

2. You really should take your blinders off ... you're only seeing what you want to see

Sounds like it's time for

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:08 PM

Squinch (35,059 posts)

3. At this point, it doesn't really matter whether he endorses or not.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:14 PM

msongs (58,848 posts)

4. hard to believe but the woman does not need the loner man's endorsement nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:29 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

31. Yes, she does

She desperately needs his endorsement.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:43 AM

WhiteTara (26,882 posts)

37. Yes, every woman needs the endorsement of a man

she is not complete without it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:23 PM

lapucelle (11,659 posts)

58. How so?

Sanders overplayed his hand. It's clear that he won't endorse, and Democrats have moved on. Sanders's supporters can decide for themselves which side of history they want to be on.

The vaunted Sanders "let's primary them!" threat has pretty much evaporated after the results of the Nevada contests on June 14. Not a single Sanders's endorsed challenger won. The most embarrassing loss was by 60%. So much for the movement. So much for the threat.

At this point, Sanders's petty demands have nothing to do with advancing a progressive agenda. It's all about personal revenge against individual Democrats and getting back at an organization that he has been exploiting for over a year for not handing him a nomination that he didn't win, but feels entitled to.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #58)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:59 PM

MariaThinks (2,495 posts)

87. that's correct. Bernie is now waging a personal vendetta against the dnc. Nothing to do with

helping people.

BTW - he blames the DNC yet he still got a lot of attention and support. How far would he have gotten in the GOP.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:16 PM

redstatebluegirl (10,975 posts)

5. Is it the 20th yet? My full ignore finger is getting tired.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:22 PM

SwampG8r (10,287 posts)

7. Mines not so off you go

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:22 PM

Trajan (19,089 posts)

77. Ditto

Imagine a forum full of paid deceivers, suddenly left alone, without any one to deceive, and after the money stops ...

Ditto ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #77)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:35 PM

Andy823 (11,238 posts)

84. You mean like

That JPR site where you can't say Bernie lost, unless you say Hillary cheated and stole the election from him, because if you do say that he lost, without saying she cheated him, you can be banned.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:24 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

8. No. Hillary has to change a lot

There are many things Hillary will have to do to get Bernie and his voters to be comfortable with her. I don't know if she can do it.

What this shows is how weak she is as a candidate, that it all now hinges on what Bernie does.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:35 PM

redstateblues (10,307 posts)

11. LOL. When you say she is weak that makes your hero worse than weak

After the pathetically low viewership of his speech this week Bernie's leverage is disappearing as we speak. After the millions that attended his rallies you would've thought a few more could have at least turned on their computers. His support is very soft

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:52 PM

charlyvi (6,537 posts)

16. + i kazillion

They always forget that.......if he lost to a "weak" candidate by every measure, that kink of makes him weaker!

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:20 PM

demosincebirth (12,033 posts)

57. Double digit lead in the polls is weak?

I didn't do good in math...you must have done worse.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:14 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

88. Then why be harping on Bernie?

Last edited Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:46 AM - Edit history (1)

If she has won, just go on. Instead what I see is Hillary fans saying that if she loses the GE then it's Bernie's fault.

On one thread I am reading excuses for Hillary making Bush look good, and on another excuses for Hillary attacking Bernie's supporters.

Bizarro world. I hope Skinner puts and end to it soon. If he doesn't DU is destroyed and party unity is likewise damaged.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #88)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:26 AM

demosincebirth (12,033 posts)

92. Are you sure you replied to the right post? I really don't understand what you are saying.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #92)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:44 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

94. Resolved: HRC is a weak candidate

Evidence of that weakness is her supporters stating that if Bernie supporters don't get behind her she will lose the GE.

Were she a strong candidate and her supporters felt that to be true, they would move on and quit harping on Bernie.

Their continued obsession with Bernie and his challenge, tells me that they are very afraid of how weak she is even in their eyes.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #94)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:50 AM

demosincebirth (12,033 posts)

95. Your hatred of Hillary overcomes your logic. We don't need you or your fringe group to win.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #95)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:07 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

97. My hatred?

Not hatred, just do not like her politics. And the fact that we all see her as a weak candidate scares me. All that, coupled with your take that we are a fringe group and your hatred of us makes for a deeply divided Dem party which only further weakens HRC chances.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #94)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:04 AM

AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)

96. HRC is not a weak candidate. She walloped Bernie and is ahead of Trump.

The only reason I am looking for that endorsement is not to push Bernie supporters into voting for Hillary. I think most will automatically do so when the GE gets going. I think those that won't are the minority anyways.

This is about decorum. It is bad form for a democratic opponent to not be honest and concede his campaign when it is clearly over. It is about bowing out graciously and not being a sore loser. You thank your opponent for a good game. It is just good sportsmanship. And he is lacking this.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #96)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:20 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

99. Bernie speaks for me

I want him in there fighting to get the best party and platform we can get. The rules state this is allowed. The poor sports who think Bernie should all of a sudden play by their new rules is what is destroying party unity. Take a bow.

Again, what I see from posts like yours is just plain childish behavior that proves how weak HRC is, in that the continued attacks on Bernie show your fear of HRC being not catered too.

She is not the queen, so quit acting like she is.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #99)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:29 AM

AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)

100. My post is childish? Not even close. YOUR post is childish.

I never went personal but you are quick to call me names. I pointed out the truth and maybe that hurts but that's life. Bernie lost. He is not the first person to lose a damn primary so quit acting like it is an affront to the entire democratic process---esp when more people voted for Hillary. So while I am glad he speaks for you, he doesn't speak for a while lot more people.

I think you care more about part unity than I do. And i don't think the fear here has anything to do with Hillary but perhaps has everything to do with you supporting a candidate that is making himself more irrelevant by the day by his bad sportsmanship.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #100)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:44 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

101. You labeled Bernie as poor sportsman

And I am telling you that has nothing to do with any of this.

Calling him poor sport is childish and is in actuality a projection of the childishness.

Get this straight: What Bernie is doing is part of the so called game. He is doing what can be expected and is accepted by the adults.

Just because he doesn't bow to the queen is no reason for yall to get your knickers in a twist. But the fact knickers are in a twist shows fear and weakness.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #101)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:47 AM

AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)

103. YOU get this straight: not conceding IS poor sportsmanship.

There is no more game to be played. It has ALREADY BEEN played.

You have quite the authoritative complex calling me childish and you being the so called adult while you are name calling. How rich. I am surprised you are more upset that I called him on his sportsmanship behavior than him being irrelevant.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #103)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:52 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

104. Now that is just dumb

Bernie can influence a lot that happens between now and the convention. To claim he can't is dumb. Not saying you are dumb, just the idea that the game is over is dumb.

Bernie has lots of power, backed by over 12 million active Democratic Party voters. Denial of that is dumb.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #104)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:00 AM

AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)

105. The longer he waits, the less credibility he will have.

No one is denying he has 12 million voters. But I think it is reasonable to expect a great deal of those voters to automatically pivot to the GE. In light of who we have waiting for us, I think that is a safe assumption.

Trump, in his own sick way, is helping Hillary along nicely.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:35 AM

Miles Archer (18,404 posts)

36. Mine too. Say hello to the other people I've also put on ignore.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:49 AM

Amaril (1,267 posts)

40. Welcome to mine.

Nasty unnecessary comment.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:22 PM

Tarc (9,798 posts)

6. At the end of the primary, the opposing sides within the party come together

in support of a common goal/opponent. I'm willing...barely...to let Sanders play this out til the convention if he endorses her formally AT the convention.

The Machiavellian part of me thinks there's slight chance that all of this has been secretly handshaked to anyways, to get more exposure and coverage by the breathless media going in to the convention. If he had conceded already, there'd be less drama in July for the talking heads to squeak about.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:24 PM

KingFlorez (12,689 posts)

9. She doesn't need it

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:33 PM

Live and Learn (12,769 posts)

24. Good, then people should quit demanding he do it. nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:31 PM

Evergreen Emerald (12,717 posts)

10. She does not need to "earn" the votes.

She won based on her priorities and action plans. If you disagree with them, vote for someone else.

Regarding hatred: I have no hatred for Sanders. I think he is a selfish life-long politician who loves the adoring fans and cannot give them up. Hillary and Sanders have nearly the same ideas to make the country better. Clinton just has obviously thought about how to turn those ideals into action.

The winner is not usually black-mailed by the loser. Of course, the winner is not usually a woman.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:39 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

13. Hillary has been in establishment forever

And we the people have been getting screwed forever.

That says a lot.

If Hillary can't win without Bernie endorsing her, she can't win. She should either quit, or do what Bernie tells her she needs to do.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:43 PM

Evergreen Emerald (12,717 posts)

14. Sanders has been establishment forever

Forever. The only job he has ever held was as a politician.

Clinton conversely has worked her whole life to make the world a better place.

Sanders has done nothing to make the world a better place. He has taken his establishment pay check and benefits and hollered. Hollering is not a plan of action.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:48 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

15. Sanders has done nothing?

How can one be so blind?

He voted against invading Iraq. That's something that your candidate voted for, so don't hand me that happy-horseshit. You have just proven yourself to be not worthy of respect.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:32 PM

Live and Learn (12,769 posts)

23. +10,000 Some people only see what they want to see. nt

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:18 AM

Evergreen Emerald (12,717 posts)

25. He voted again and again to support the war

And..he also voted for regime change. So much for standing up for principles--but he is sure good at talking about them.

And the excuse that he had to vote for funding the war to help the troops is a big fat lie. The power of Congress includes holding the purse strings. No funding for the war = no war. He could have made his stance. He could have been the person he touts himself to be.

It is all a bunch of baloney.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:01 PM

swhisper1 (851 posts)

49. he voted to support the troops, and the senate does not hold the purse strings. please keep up

he is not for regime change

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Response to swhisper1 (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:24 PM

redstateblues (10,307 posts)

59. He was for it before he was against it.

Bernie voted for regime change

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:33 PM

Live and Learn (12,769 posts)

64. Ridiculous post. nt

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:00 PM

RazBerryBeret (3,035 posts)

47. this is so wrong

your team has demonized a man who has spent his entire life fighting for the common man.

I am not even saying anything negative about your candidate; not sure why you choose to smear a man who is intelligent, hard working, honest and ethical-- but I can guess.

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Response to RazBerryBeret (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 09:24 AM

litlbilly (2,227 posts)

113. raz, it is who they are.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:04 PM

swhisper1 (851 posts)

50. Hillarys body of work was aimed at making the world a better place for corporations. She has always

turned her back on people. Even the Foundation is a tool she uses constantly

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Response to swhisper1 (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:21 PM

Hekate (66,184 posts)

76. "Always" --going back to working for Marion Wright Edelman's group?

Yeah, sure.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:49 AM

WhiteTara (26,882 posts)

41. Bernie has never had a job outside or government

that is the definition of establishment. He may have called himself and independent, but he has been dependent on the government (taxpayers, or other people's money) his entire working life.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:57 AM

pinebox (5,761 posts)

44. Being a civil servant does NOT equal establishment.

I think you're confused here some.

The Establishment generally denotes a dominant group or elite that holds power or authority in a nation or organization. The Establishment may be a closed social group which selects its own members (as opposed to selection by merit or election) or specific entrenched elite structures, either in government or in specific institutions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment

The establishment is the DNC and the party itself. Sorry but Bernie is an indy and though he may caucus with the Dems, he also holds his own viewpoints. What is it you guys were jawing about recently? How he criticized Obama? Establishment politicians like Hillary don't do that.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:01 PM

WhiteTara (26,882 posts)

48. He's not in an elite group?

100 people in the Senate. That's pretty damn elite to me. And if by that post you mean to imply that Clinton is establishment, please note, she was either elected or chosen on merit.

Besides he lost, so he needs to get back to his day job, in the elite Senate.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:09 PM

swhisper1 (851 posts)

56. chosen on merit, now thats a term not related to Clinton

and the one successful election was in a blue state with no competition. Her failures are up there with W's.

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Response to swhisper1 (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:23 PM

Hekate (66,184 posts)

79. Said by someone who has no actual clue. Tick tock.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #79)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:37 PM

pinebox (5,761 posts)

85. "Tick tock!" Eveyone drink!

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Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:49 PM

John Poet (2,510 posts)

90. Pinebox's post was hidden by a Bad Jury Decision.

There's been a lot of those the past few weeks.

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Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:35 PM

RazBerryBeret (3,035 posts)

66. demonize and demean...

that is a perfect path to Party Unity.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:32 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

33. All politicians need to earn votes

...in a democracy

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:36 PM

MineralMan (135,869 posts)

12. Sure. She has won the primary elections. If he's a Democrat, then

endorsing her should be a matter of easy decision-making. He'll come around, though, in time.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:58 AM

swhisper1 (851 posts)

45. there it is, Rah rah rah for the party again. No self respecting democrat will roll over this time

Done settling, sick of decay and lying, and Sanders is not going to "come around". He has never settled. Why would he now?

She and Romney are two of the same flock, anti people

If it is Trump, she gets a landslide

Our only insurance is the congress, start working for your downticket

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:40 PM

Pastiche423 (15,406 posts)

17. No and she never will.

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Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:47 PM

Juicy_Bellows (2,427 posts)

18. I personally don't believe she has.

I do not believe she can. He may very well endorse her and we can argue over earned vs. deserved but regardless I think people are going to vote their conscience.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:58 PM

wildeyed (11,240 posts)

19. Yes, when she won the primary.

I would have expected her to endorse Sanders if he won too.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:30 PM

Ino (3,366 posts)

20. No, and I wouldn't believe her if she tried.

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Response to Ino (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:49 AM

swhisper1 (851 posts)

39. pit vipers lure you in , then strike

she will try to seduce, but we are the awake factor and she has 4 yrs to earn our vote. Right now, no, she has not earned anything but disrespect. I dont hate her. Hate is self-defeating, but I lost respect and trust years ago and she wont win me back

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:31 PM

Live and Learn (12,769 posts)

21. Not just NO, but HELL NO. nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:32 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

22. She beat him in the DEMOCRATIC primary, so YES.

Oh ... and btw .... the body of your OP is a lie.

And the hate being displayed here is coming from you.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:25 AM

MyNameGoesHere (6,210 posts)

26. I don't have personal hatred for Sanders

I do believe he took a cowards route to running for president. His lack of conviction to run as an independent, or better yet a socialist, shows he was only in it to disrupt or to glean the benefits of the DNC that he despises so much. Either way it shows a lack of character.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:01 AM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

107. The routine bile directed at Nader undercuts your criticism rather nicely.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:25 AM

FarPoint (9,631 posts)

27. The burden is completely on Bernie Sanders....

He has to rise to the occasion. Enough of this codependent thinking where " she" must bend the knee to Bernie... it's never going to happen.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:27 AM

Ned_Devine (3,146 posts)

28. Not a chance

Honestly, I've been voting democrat my whole life and I always feel unfulfilled. It's a lot like how it was being a Red Sox fan before 2004. They did great right up to the end and then let you down in a spectacular way. I think that if more and more of us vote our consciences, the greater the chance will be that we can get a people's movement going. Bernie started that movement, but if he is out I feel it would be best for me to vote Green Party. That's where my heart and mind are as they stand for the same values and issues as me. Even if I lived in a swing state I would vote this way. The system is so grossly overrun by dirty money and pay to play politics funding the same people that pollute the earth, exploit impoverished countries with slave wages and wage wars for oil and profits. I don't want to contribute to that cycle anymore. Go ahead and say I'm voting for Trump.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:31 PM

redstateblues (10,307 posts)

62. Guess we'll have to win without you. You are one of the very few "Democrats" who

Will go the Nader route this time. Hope you find a good place to vent all the anger and negativity that Bernie stirred up.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:36 PM

Chasstev365 (5,191 posts)

67. In all the heated, angry exchanges I've here had on DU, I've never told anyone to"go fuck yourself"

You crossed a line Ned. I'd report it, but we all know they would vote to leave it alone.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #67)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:27 PM

Ned_Devine (3,146 posts)

70. Changed

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:27 AM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

29. Newp. nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:28 AM

jamese777 (546 posts)

30. Who cares?

At this point Sanders and his remaining hard core supporters should just vote for the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein.

I, for one, could care less whether Hillary Clinton gets endorsed or whether they vote for her.

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:45 AM

Major Nikon (35,140 posts)

38. Results...

On Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Who cares?
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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:33 AM

Miles Archer (18,404 posts)

34. No

They have two completely different platforms.

So I support Sanders doing what he's doing, which is to pledge to defeat Trump while refraining from an "endorsement."

A vote is not a vote of confidence, it's just a vote.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:34 AM

laserhaas (7,805 posts)

35. Can never be " earned

By one who stands for so little against those who have so much

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:55 AM

jamese777 (546 posts)

42. If the primaries & Caucuses Had Been Close but they weren't

Top Aide: Sanders Could Endorse Clinton Before Convention
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283976-sanders-could-endorse-clinton-before-convention-report

I could see makng the case for no endorsement. But the final totals weren't close:
Hillary Clinton: 16,663,802 (55.5%)
Bernie Sanders: 12,872,148 (42.9%)

Clinton over Sanders by 3,791,654 votes.

Hillary Clinton: 2,218 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,833 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 555 Unpledged delegates who say they will vote for her.
Bernie Sanders: 47 Unpledged delegates who say they will vote for him.

Hillary Clinton: 2,773 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,880 total delegates

Clinton: 34 primaries & caucuses won
Sanders: 23 primaries & caucuses won

Clinton has 390 more delegates than needed.
Sanders still needs 503 delegates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:57 AM

Autumn (39,840 posts)

43. I can't speak for Bernie but she hasn't earned mine. nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:59 AM

pinebox (5,761 posts)

46. Hillary hasn't earned my vote.

It's that simple.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:05 PM

riversedge (59,379 posts)

51. While Bernie fans practiced protests for the DNC, millennials for Hillary registered folks to vote

Interesting contrast.

Marv ‏@Marv_Vien 2h2 hours ago

While Bernie fans practiced protests for the DNC, millennials for Hillary registered folks to vote in key states.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:29 AM

w4rma (31,700 posts)

108. We Bernie supporters did all of our registering during the primaries, when Hillary was turning

people away and disenfranchising voters.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:06 PM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

52. Absolutely not.

Nor my vote.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:06 PM

book_worm (15,907 posts)

53. She can win with or without Bernie

but I expect Bernie will endorse.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:09 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

55. I don't see anyone hating. You must run with a very different crowd. Sanders voters won't follow

She won despite that 20% of men that feel irrational hatred and she will win again.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:28 PM

demosincebirth (12,033 posts)

61. The more you people spew you hatred of HRC, the more support she gets.

Sooo, keep at it.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:33 PM

eastwestdem (1,220 posts)

63. Then there is the argument that she is more electable without Sanders' endorsement.

In the general election, there are very few additional voters who would 'join the Sanders train', but potentially many more who might swing towards Hillary.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:35 PM

lapucelle (11,659 posts)

65. Sanders has made it clear that he will never endorse.

When Hillary's VP list was leaked on Wednesday, and the campaign made it clear that Sanders hasn't made the cut, the writing was on the wall. They're done with him. They will not allow him to hold the process hostage to his ridiculous, and increasingly personal demands.

Sanders been in a bubble so long that he imagines that he yields great power and influence, but his moment has come and gone.

As for "earning" support...who on earth makes up the apocryphal army of the self-important who have to be seduced and cajoled into doing the right thing? Grow up.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:48 PM

Lil Missy (17,865 posts)

68. Nobody has "hatred for what he represents". It's his (and his supporters) behavior

and utter arrogance that turns people away. And his sky-high goals don't have workable plans to make them possible.

Bernie lost, and is a sore loser - setting a poor example for his mostly young audience.

Real Democrats will vote for the nominee. She'll get along just fine without Bernie and his lack of integrity.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:54 PM

lunamagica (9,967 posts)

69. Who cares? She will win with or without it. She doen't need the 100 or 100k who

tuned in for his speech.

She will win because millions upon millions of women, Blacks, Latinos, other PoC, LBGT, the anybody but trump crowd, and many more will vote for her.

The BOBs can stay home

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #69)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:04 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

72. We won't stay home, we simply won't vote for Hillary

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Response to peacebird (Reply #72)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:09 PM

lunamagica (9,967 posts)

73. OK

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Response to peacebird (Reply #72)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:15 PM

NNadir (26,319 posts)

74. So what? Trump will lose too.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #74)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:16 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

75. Never said I would vote Trump. So not my concern

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Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:22 PM

NNadir (26,319 posts)

78. I couldn't care less who or what you vote for or against. Your vote is irrelevant in the fight...

...against Trump. Many of us care more about the world than our parochial opinions; and we recognize that this horrible man and his position as the nominee of a horrible but still poisonous Republican party is directly impacting our country's reputation as a civilized nation.

If you don't get it, well, I can't help you.

All BS stuff is irrelevant, and I'll be using my ignore key for what may be the last time. Tomorrow's the 20th and almost all of us are waiting for it.

Have a nice evening and a nice life.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #78)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:28 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

81. Hillarys good friend Donald was a surprise. i don't think Bill expected him to do this well.

I believe he was supposed to take out Jeb, but never in their wildest dreams did they think it would be Hillary v Donald. The perfect match up really. Both have exceptionally high unfavorables, so you would THINK it would be a walk in the park for Hillary to beat him.
We shall see. Regardless of the media trying to sell fear, I see a lot of very enthusiastic Trrump supporter out there who despise Hillary more than fear Trump.
We do live in interesting times.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:27 PM

Walk away (9,494 posts)

80. There are votes all over, especially this year!

I have no problem with Hillary moving to the middle to get the votes needed to win. If Bernie and his supporters are adamant about staying home, the entire party will have to swing to where the votes are. And it will. This election is just as winnable with millions of more Moderates as it is with a couple of million more unreliable fringe voters.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:30 PM

MFM008 (18,792 posts)

82. Tomorrow, tomorrow

There's always tomorrow..............

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Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:35 PM

Hekate (66,184 posts)

83. Newt Gingrich wants to bring back HUAC. Roger Stone says that Huma Abedin's presence.....

....as one of Hillary's oldest and closest advisors means the Radical Islamic conspiracy goes right to the top.

Anybody who at this point in time does not see the clear and present danger to our democracy presented by TRUMP is not just a fool but a hopeless idiot I have no use for.

JURY: This comment is not directed at any one particular person. Thank you.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:24 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

89. He would say not, and I would say he has not earned a speaking spot at the convention nt

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:35 AM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

93. no. she has work to do to achieve that.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:08 AM

pnwmom (103,814 posts)

98. Yes, of course. And if Bernie had won, he'd have earned her endorsement.

That's what Democrats do, and he did run as a Democrat.

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:45 AM

AgadorSparticus (7,963 posts)

102. She is the presumptive nominee. She doesn't need to earn his endorsement.

My question to you is how do you expect him to implement his ideas? Who is going to help him if he should be POTUS tomorrow? Does he have any allies in Washington?

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Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:30 AM

NanceGreggs (26,077 posts)

106. I don't give a flyin' fuck ...

... if Bernie endorses HRC or not.

He has shown himself to be a small, petty man who doesn't have the decency to even acknowledge that SHE won and he LOST.

Bernie's lack of character will be remembered - and that memory will outlive anything he has ever said or done.

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Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:42 AM

sufrommich (22,871 posts)

110. Someone alerted on you for swearing:

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Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:34 AM

Night Watchman (743 posts)