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Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:41 PM

 

Sanders Could Still Win Calfornia! Several Million Votes Still Uncounted in the Democratic Primary!



With Five Million Votes Still Uncounted and Unreported in the Democratic Primary, Sanders Could Still Win California!
By Dave Lindorff
June 13, 2016


FLASH! The Los Angeles Times, actually a Hillary Clinton backer, reports that not 3.6 million votes, as reported on election night, but 8 million votes were actually cast in the California Democratic primary — a turnout of 47%. According to the Times article, the Secretary of State of California, Alex Padilla, concedes that 2.5 million of those votes, mostly mail-in ballots from young people and Hispanic voters, or Bernie’s strong point, have been counted, and another 2 million have yet to be counted by local county officials.

But Padilla has also not reported on what the results were of those other 2.5 million votes that have been counted thus far since election day. (This even though his office did report the count of early mail-in votes on election day before people had even finished voting.)

All the votes are legitimate and need to be counted — by hand. As long as a ballot was received by the end of the day Friday, June 10, and were postmarked by election day, they are valid.

The Times said that people should prepare to see the vote totals of not just the presidential race, but also down-ticket races, change dramatically.

The problem is that the Secretary of State has 30 days to certify the votes and declare winners. That would be July 8! So far, most reporting on the uncounted votes has been limited to the alternative media. The NY Times and the big TV and radio news organizations haven’t said a word about it. The Washington Post did mention the uncounted votes, buy scoffed at the notion that they could change the results, making the bogus argument that Clinton had won among early mail-in voters by 58-44% — but of course she was way ahead in the polls than before Sanders really began campaigning in California, and the uncounted votes are also last-minute voters when Sanders was tied or ahead in the polls.

Read the full article at:
http://www.nationofchange.org/news/2016/06/13/five-million-votes-still-uncounted-unreported-democratic-primary-sanders-still-win-california/



Wednesday's big question: How many uncounted California ballots?
by John Myers
June 10, 2016

3:30 A.M.
Tuesday may be in the record books, but the new day in California arrives without a full tally of votes cast in the state's presidential primary.

And that wasn't unexpected.

With California's evolution to a state where most voters cast their ballots by mail, political watchers have concluded that election day has turned into election week .

The independent Target Book, a publication that handicaps congressional and legislative races, called it "probable" that as many as 3 million ballots could remain uncounted by time Tuesday night ended. And traditionally, said the analysts, those ballots tend to have come from Democrats, young and Latino voters.

As of early Wednesday morning, about 5 million ballots had already been counted, but there was no official word on how many remained. State election law gives counties 30 days to finish their canvassing of votes cast. Secretary of State Alex Padilla must receive certified results from each of California's 58 counties by July 8.

5:31 PM
As the week ends, 2.4 million uncounted ballots from California's primary

For the politically curious, it's the best guessing game around: What's in the uncounted ballots from election day, and how many of them will change closely watched races across the state?

On Friday afternoon, Secretary of State Alex Padilla reported that there were 2,423,607 uncounted ballots statewide. About two-thirds of those are vote-by-mail ballots, with three Southern California counties leading the way: Los Angeles, San Diego and Orange.

Reports from a number of the state's 58 counties haven't changed for a few days, so expect the figures to shift pretty noticeably by early next week.

And one other part of the process: This is the first year in which ballots that arrive up to three days late -- Friday would be the deadline -- can be counted. So the number of ballots on hand could also change.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-wednesday-s-big-question-how-many-1465375928-htmlstory.html




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Reply Sanders Could Still Win Calfornia! Several Million Votes Still Uncounted in the Democratic Primary! (Original post)
imagine2015 Jun 2016 OP
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #1
rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #2
IADEMO2004 Jun 2016 #4
SharonClark Jun 2016 #9
IADEMO2004 Jun 2016 #15
pat_k Jun 2016 #22
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #46
Stallion Jun 2016 #8
pat_k Jun 2016 #23
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #47
DLnyc Jun 2016 #53
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #54
pat_k Jun 2016 #21
azurnoir Jun 2016 #3
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #5
LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #7
Agschmid Jun 2016 #39
Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #45
Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #56
BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #6
Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #51
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #10
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #12
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #13
Rincewind Jun 2016 #58
ucrdem Jun 2016 #11
SidDithers Jun 2016 #14
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #18
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onenote Jun 2016 #17
pat_k Jun 2016 #25
onenote Jun 2016 #48
pat_k Jun 2016 #55
onenote Jun 2016 #61
pat_k Jun 2016 #63
onenote Jun 2016 #64
pat_k Jun 2016 #65
MFM008 Jun 2016 #19
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pat_k Jun 2016 #27
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KingFlorez Jun 2016 #28
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BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #32
LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #30
still_one Jun 2016 #31
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still_one Jun 2016 #40
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AzDar Jun 2016 #37
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Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #44
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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:44 PM

1. He's further behind today than he was a few days ago.

By at least 20,000 votes

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:45 PM

2. Shhhhhh

 

You'll ruin the fantasy!

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:49 PM

4. The hurrier he goes the behinder he gets

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Response to IADEMO2004 (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:52 PM

9. Don't you love old and discounted information that is posted as new?

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:04 PM

15. Not a bit.

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Response to IADEMO2004 (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:39 PM

22. Actually not true.

He's not heading for a win, but he is gaining.

Just want to keep facts straight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2185458

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Response to pat_k (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:06 PM

46. +1000 nt

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:52 PM

8. Clinton's Lead Has Grown Every Day-Now 476,597

although his percentage numbers have improved a tad

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

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Response to Stallion (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:41 PM

23. Obviously, percentages are what matters.

He's not heading for a win, but ballots processed since 6/10 report favor him slightly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2185458

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Response to Stallion (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:07 PM

47. How does one's lead grow but percentages go down?

Do you understand how it works?

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:47 AM

53. It's not all that complicated

For example:

I have 1 vote
you have 99 votes
out of 100 votes total

your lead is 98, your percentage is 99% to my 1%

later,
I have 100 votes
you have 900 votes
out of 1000 votes total

your lead is now 800, your percentage is 90% to my 10%

your lead went up, but your percentage went down.

That's how it works.

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Response to DLnyc (Reply #53)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:54 AM

54. And the percentage is exactly what matters. Duh. nt

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:37 PM

21. Not true

He is not heading for a win, but he is in fact gaining.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2185458

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:46 PM

3. it doesn't matter, really the POTUS has already embraced Hillary as the nominee

and The Party has closed its ranks around her

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:50 PM

5. But Bernie Sanders hasn't. And he shouldn't. Let the convention delegates decide.

 

There should be a roll call vote so that everyone knows where the delegates stand.

A lot can happen to change the narrative in the next five weeks.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:52 PM

7. Its over, finished, done, finis

Sanders lost. Hillary won.

The only way that changes is to destroy democracy.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:10 PM

39. There will be a roll call vote, Hillary will win it.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:54 PM

45. I so hope he does not

Now, every time I hear him speak, I yell at my laptop...

Bernie, please do not endorse Her!

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Response to Pastiche423 (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:15 AM

56. Why would you want Trump to win?

I don't believe his human decency, or that of any other progressive or Democrat, would allow for wanting Trump to win.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:52 PM

6. Looks like another dispatch from the Progressive Entertainment Complex to me.

 

Today it's up to 5 million votes uncounted somehow. Victory right around the corner, send more money! Tomorrow it will probably be bumped up to more ballots than there are residents of CA altogether.

It's sad to see formerly rational progressives devolve into this.

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Response to BobbyDrake (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:59 AM

51. I was thinking about that myself....

 

...first it was 1 million.....then 2 million....now it's 5 million ballots.

LOL.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:55 PM

10. he'd have to win 75% of the remaining ballots to win CA.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:59 PM

12. And it would mean nothing in the end

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:00 PM

13. that too.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:08 AM

58. And, if Bernie wins

California, he still loses the nomination. Hillary will still have the majority of the pledged delegates, and the majority of the votes.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:56 PM

11. As of 3 hours ago he's losing by 11.9% statewide.

So I guess you could say he's gaining ground. But he's still going to lose by 10+ points and that's a thumping.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:01 PM

14. Lindorff...

The guy who thinks the Boston Bombing was a CIA operation.

Yeah, he's credible.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:36 PM

18. Thanks for posting that info

I'm tired of going and finding out who the writers and publications are and have people tell me it's the message and not the messenger...as though a faulty messenger would put out a clear and truthful message.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:35 PM

16. Still can't accept reality...


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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:36 PM

17. Hate to burst your bubble

But as of the latest update, the number of unprocessed ballots is down to 2,128,161. Meanwhile, Clinton's lead remains at 476,000 plus votes. And the percentage of votes cast in the Democratic primary remains round 58 percent of all votes processed. Which means it is likely that only 58 percent of the 2,128,161 unprocessed ballots -- 1,234,333 -- are Democratic primary ballots. In order to move ahead of Clinton in the overall vote count, Sanders would have to capture more than 855,000 of those 1.2 million ballots.

Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

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Response to onenote (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:52 PM

25. Just to keep facts straight

Democratic ballots processed, deemed valid, and counted comprise 69% of counted ballots (that includes ballots from all party primaries).

We do not know how many unprocessed ballots there are because most of the last reports from most of the counties are from before 6/10 deadline. Hopefully more of the counties (or at least the big ones) will have accounted for the ones that arrived between last report date and deadline of 6/10 by tonight's statewide report. Of course, millions aren't coming in. Since more will be counted too, the unprocessed number will probably look about the same.

And no, I am not claiming a win is anything but virtually impossible, but you should at least have your facts straight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512178036

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2185458





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Response to pat_k (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:12 PM

48. My facts are straight.

The most recent updates from the California Secretary of State shows the following:

Number of votes cast for candidates in the Democratic Presidential Primary: 4, 199,420
(you get this by adding together the results on this page):
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

Number of votes counted thus far in the June 7 election (including all Presidential primary ballots and non-presidential primary ballots): 7.227,039
(this number is found at the bottom of the sixth column of the County Reporting Status report):
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/status/

Dividing the number of Democratic Presidential Ballots counted thus far by the total number of ballots counted thus far establishes that around 58 percent of the ballots cast in the June 7 election were Democratic Presidential Primary ballots. The remaining 42 percent were cast in the Republican, Libertarian, Green, AIP, and Peace and Freedom Presidential Primaries, or were cast by NPP voters who didn't request a presidential primary ballot).

The number of ballots still to be processed has declined to under 2 million (as the number of processed ballots has climbed from 6 plus million to over 7 million). It currently stands at 1,959,908 (of which 1.17 million are unprocessed ballots, 713,000 (approx) are provisional and 73,000 are "other". http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/statewide-elections/2016-primary/unprocessed-ballots-report.pdf

Taking 58 percent of the 1.960 million unprocessed ballots, one can estimate that there are 1.136 million Democratic Presidential Primary votes left to be counted. Sanders would need to get 71 percent of them to catch Clinton.

Your mistake is that you calculated the percentage of Presidential Primary votes that were cast in the Democratic Presidential Primary. But that ignores the fact that a significant number of ballots were cast by NPP voters who didn't request a Presidential Primary ballot. This isn't surprising since NPP voters who lean republican didn't have the option of requesting a republican presidential primary ballot.

By the way, my estimates are consistent with reports by the California Target Book, an election monitoring group that was among the first to publicize the large number of unprocessed ballots in California. http://www.californiatargetbook.com/ctb/default/assets/File/CA_Target_Book_-_06-06_-_Media_Advisory_-_Primary_Voter_Turnout.pdf
One of the things they pointed out was that pre-election day mail in votes were running 49% Democratic Presidential Primary and 34 percent Republican presidential primary. That leaves 18 percent of the mail-in votes to be accounted for as votes cast in one of the other presidential primaries (a small number) or cast by NPP voters using a non-presidential primary ballot. The current numbers indicate that the two major parties primaries account for around 85% of the votes counted thus far, leaving 18 percent to be accounted for among the other presidential primaries and NPP votes.

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Response to onenote (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:37 AM

55. Where are you getting number of npp ballots?

Total votes in all Senate races: 6326567
Total votes on ballot measure: 6217667
Total votes all pres primaries all parties: 6303913

I know there must be npp ballots in the mix, but I'm not seeing how to calculate. Looks like you include a million or so in your numbers.

And P.S., not that it matters, but Sanders is a tad ahead in votes counted since 6/10

C=Clinton, S=Sanders, D=Difference

C=2,360,184 June 14, 2016, 6:38 p.m

C=2,128,194 June 10, 2016, 6:43 p.m

D=231,990 49.8% of votes counted since 6/10
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S=1,887,120 June 14, 2016, 6:38 p.m

S=1,653,416 June 10, 2016, 6:43 p.m

D=233,704 50.2% of votes counted since 6/10

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Response to pat_k (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:12 AM

61. The number of NPP votes counted

is the difference between the total number of votes processed (7 million plus as reported on the County update) and the combined number of votes counted in the Democratic, Republican, Libertarian, Green, AIP, and Peace and Freedom Presidential primaries (6.23 million as reported on the election results pages). The difference is the number of processed ballots that didn't vote in one of the presidential primaries. While the lion's share of those ballots are going to be NPP ballots, that number also would include votes cast using one of the presidential primary ballots on which the voter chose not to pick anyone in that party's presidential primary.

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Response to onenote (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:36 PM

63. Which report?

I'm not seeing it on the county status. I'm probably looking straight at it on one of these, but can't find.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:59 PM

64. the county status report

at the bottom of the page, fifth column -- number of votes that the counties report having counted (7.3 million after another update this morning).

That represents how many votes have been processed. When the votes from the various parties' presidential primaries are combined and that number is subtracted from the total votes processed, you have the number of processed votes that were not cast for any candidate in one of the parties' presidential primaries. In some instances that will include party-specific ballots where no vote was cast for any of the presidential candidates but in most instances it will be NPP voters who cast a non-partisan ballot.

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Response to onenote (Reply #64)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:04 PM

65. Duh. Thanks.

As I said, I'm probably looking straight at it.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:06 PM

19. i like cheese

saw this somewhere here...golden.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:55 AM

50. I love . . . carpet. I love . . desk.

I love . . . lamp.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:24 AM

57. me to

but cheese is tastier...

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:00 AM

60. Maru, are you just looking at things

 

in the office and saying you love them?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:35 PM

20. Ballots processed since 6/10 report favor Sanders very slightly.

Track unprocessed ballots here:

http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/statewide-elections/2016-primary/unprocessed-ballots-report.pdf

2,128,161 unprocessed as of 06/14/2016 11:53 a.m.

When the county reporting dates are all updated to at least 6/13, the unprocessed ballot report ought to include ballots postmarked by 6/7 that that arrived before the 6/10 deadline, and exclude ballots processed since last report dates.

The margin between Sanders and Clinton in the ballots processed since the statewide report of 6/10 (in which latest dates for lots of counties was 6/7, 6/8...) favors Sanders very slightly.

If the trend kept up, it could cut Hillary's margin to single digits though. The odds of a win are tiny, but a tiny chance is not zero chance.


Here it is:

C=Clinton count
S=Sanders count
D=Difference

S=1,653,416 in June 10, 2016, 6:43 p.m.
S=1,770,555 in June 14, 2016, 1:37 p.m.
D=117,139

C=2,128,194 in June 10, 2016, 6:43 p.m.
C=2,243,381 in June 14, 2016, 1:37 p.m.
D=115,187

Total counted since 6/10 report:
232,326

50.4% Sanders
49.6% Clinton


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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:44 PM

24. But can he win California?

 

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:55 PM

27. Margin will likely shrink to single digits.

But a win is virtually impossible.

But it was virtually impossible that he would win 21 states too.


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Response to Name removed (Reply #66)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:11 PM

67. Meme that he lost by "double digits" is no more.

I'm sick of hearing that one. It would be nice to put it to bed with reality.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:54 PM

26. I think you should stay current...

and give it up.....it is OVER!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:58 PM

28. He lost

California rejected him and solidly.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:58 PM

29. So THIS is why my grocery store is out of tin foil!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:19 PM

32. +1 LOL

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:02 PM

30. June 16th....

Is 48 hours AWAY ....

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:08 PM

31. It won't happen, and regardless Hillary would still have more votes, more pledged delegates, and won

more primaries

That some cannot accept that, not only means they don't want to honor rules setup before the primaries begin, which everyone running knew and accepted, but also they don't believe that the one who Received the most votes is the winner. That is what democracy is. The one who wins the plurality of votes is the winner





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Response to still_one (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:05 PM

38. "The one who wins the plurality of votes is the winner."

And those votes will be cast by the delegates at the national convention, which doesn't start until July 25th!

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:10 PM

40. that is only a formality. Those who can count know the results

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Response to still_one (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:39 PM

43. That's the way the Democratic Party works!!

And so, no counting of any votes has even started yet.



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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:29 PM

33. ...

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:32 PM

34. These are ALL ballots - Republican, Democratic, and third party ballots, also

the provisional ballots where some percentage will always be found as invalid.

"Sanders would need to win closer to 75 percent of Democratic ballots for a victory, a bigger margin than he won in any primary outside of his native Vermont."


Will this mean a "landslide" victory for Sanders? Nope. Will the vote count sway any Delegates? No. But check your email for a new request from Sanders for more money to keep fighting.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:34 PM

35. Fer Fucks Sake

Skinner, seriously...this shit has to end.

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Response to tallahasseedem (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:11 PM

41. It will. Two more days

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:50 PM

36. Your first link is both wrong and out of date

The 8 million total was for both primaries, and, as of today there are only 2.1 million votes left to count on the Democratic side. Of the 800k counted so far since election day, Clinton has won by 10 to 12 percent.

California went to Clinton.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:51 PM

37. K & R

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:15 PM

42. California doesn't Certify Elections Results until July 8th...

Plenty of time!

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Response to KoKo (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:42 PM

44. Exactly!

With room to spare!!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:55 PM

49. Then on to the White House!! nt

 

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Response to eastwestdem (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:32 AM

52. No. He was already at the white house. Last week.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:54 AM

59. Reports now say 7M uncounted votes... 10M!... 15M!!!

 

And all 15M votes are Bernie's, I'm so sure of it! I can just FEEL the truth of it!

Bernie wins CA!!!11

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:11 PM

62. Kick!!!!

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