2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton, Obama, Sanders all scorch Trumps bigoted ass.
Way to go Team Dems. Our party and our candidate is what stands between this country and fucking Mussolini, or at best Berlusconi. The Left and the Center Left are about to kick the Far Right's ass. The Center Right no longer exists.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but I wouldn't argue that strongly with your assessment.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)The reasons for being center have to do with drones, Afghanistan, etc.
I think the areas where his foreign policy have been centrist (and a failure) have been areas where Clinton pushed him to the right, while his overall ideology has been more center-left.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)that is how far out there Bush/Cheney took us.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)That is, Bush being hard-right doesn't shift the so-called Overton window to the right. Left-Right still exists as a theoretical concept, even if no politician wants to represent a true leftist foreign policy. Specifically, Bush being far-right doesn't mean a centrist Obama is actually Left.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but it is leftward from where we were. Yes Obama is center left or just center even if far to the left of Cheney. now the American continuum has always (post WW2) been fixed rightward of the European one, despite the fact places like France have had their Trumps for decades. Bernie, despite self identifying as a Democratic Socialist would really be a Social Democrat in Europe, based on his presidential platform.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Certainly not far-left as some claim.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Why do you say that, though? What is centrist and center-left, then, in your view? Rand Paul ?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Good stuff. He generally reiterated also his displeasure with money in politics and need for reforms but gone was any criticism of HRC. Mostly though he blasted Trump's religious extremism.