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Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:40 AM

US Uncut: How 107 Superdelegates Robbed 11 Million Democratic Voters


http://usuncut.com/politics/superdelegates-robbed-voters-primary/

ow 107 Superdelegates Robbed 11 Million Democratic Voters

Tom Cahill | June 7, 2016

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The Associated Press (AP) has prematurely called the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton, despite some 11 million Democrats still waiting to vote in six states and one territory, based off the opinion of superdelegates who have yet to vote.

The dominant media narrative is that Sanders is asking superdelegates to thwart the will of the public in order to win the Democratic nomination. But the AP came to their conclusion by a phone survey of the 712 superdelegates, meaning Clinton was declared the winner due to private conversations between reporters and a relatively small handful of Democratic party bosses who won’t actually vote for a nominee until the end of July.
Clinton’s nomination depends on superdelegates defying their state’s voters

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All of these arguments are right in that Bernie Sanders will need to rely on superdelegates to switch from Clinton’s side to his in order to become the Democratic nominee. But all three authors neglected to report that Hillary Clinton reached 2,383 delegates only with the help of 107 superdelegates from states Bernie Sanders won, who actively thwarted the will of millions of Democratic voters in their own states.

In Utah, where Sanders won by a 79-20 margin, two of the state’s four superdelegates are backing Clinton.

11 of 16 superdelegates in Minnesota are supporting Clinton, even though Sanders won the state’s March 1 caucus by a 62-38 margin.

While Sanders blew Clinton out of the water by a 73-27 margin in Washington State, Clinton has 10 of 16 super-delegates, Sanders has zero.

Six of Wisconsin’s ten superdelegates are supporting Clinton, while only one is backing Sanders. The Vermont senator won the Badger State’s primary by 14 points.

All nine superdelegates in Rhode Island have committed to supporting Hillary Clinton, even though Bernie Sanders defeated the former Secretary of State by a 12-point margin.

Sanders also has only one superdelegate in Alaska, same as Clinton, even after winning the state by an 82-18 margin. One Alaska superdelegate backing Clinton patronized and belittled a Sanders supporter who asked her to cast her superdelegate vote with how her state’s residents voted.

Comparatively, only 14 of Sanders’ 49 superdelegates have come from states Hillary Clinton won. Two of those superdelegates came from Arizona, where the US Department of Justice is conducting an official investigation due to widespread complaints of election fraud and voter suppression.

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Reply US Uncut: How 107 Superdelegates Robbed 11 Million Democratic Voters (Original post)
hopemountain Jun 2016 OP
Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #1
hopemountain Jun 2016 #2
boston bean Jun 2016 #13
Skink Jun 2016 #26
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #54
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #56
Hortensis Jun 2016 #52
MADem Jun 2016 #3
CreekDog Jun 2016 #4
Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #5
hopemountain Jun 2016 #6
SFnomad Jun 2016 #14
hopemountain Jun 2016 #29
SFnomad Jun 2016 #34
SFnomad Jun 2016 #38
beachbum bob Jun 2016 #32
NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #55
Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #60
lancer78 Jun 2016 #7
kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #36
Matt_R Jun 2016 #58
lancer78 Jun 2016 #61
lancer78 Jun 2016 #8
hopemountain Jun 2016 #30
lancer78 Jun 2016 #35
kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #37
Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #59
senz Jun 2016 #9
onenote Jun 2016 #19
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #42
LisaM Jun 2016 #57
oberliner Jun 2016 #10
CreekDog Jun 2016 #11
Derdog Jun 2016 #12
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #15
Tarc Jun 2016 #16
JoePhilly Jun 2016 #31
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #17
Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #18
jcgoldie Jun 2016 #22
Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #25
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #20
jcgoldie Jun 2016 #21
farleftlib Jun 2016 #23
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #41
obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #24
Lil Missy Jun 2016 #27
felix_numinous Jun 2016 #28
pinebox Jun 2016 #33
kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #39
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #40
Post removed Jun 2016 #43
hopemountain Jun 2016 #44
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #48
Whimsey Jun 2016 #45
hopemountain Jun 2016 #47
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #50
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #46
Pisces Jun 2016 #49
underthematrix Jun 2016 #51
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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:48 AM

1. Still spinning, this is an opinion, not based on facts.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:55 AM

2. the article is based on events, actions

and facts. you are free to dispute them with facts, events, actions and links. otherwise, all you have posted is an opinion.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:31 AM

13. Facts.

1) Hillary won more pledged delegates
2) Hillary won more state primaries and caucuses
3) Hillary won more than 3M popular votes over Bernie
4) Superdelegates will not overturn this mandate.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:39 AM

26. 8 statistical ties

Yet she took all of them. Like winning 8 coin flips in a row.

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Response to Skink (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:15 PM

54. Huh? There's no such thing as a "statistical tie" in an actual ELECTION.

"Statistical tie" refers to an opinion poll where the result is inside the margin of error and thus it's possible that either candidate could actually be "winning." An election on the other hand doesn't have any margin of error. The vote count isn't the statistical extrapolation of a sample, it's the actual count.

Also if that "coin flips" comment was referring to the inaccurate reports of Hillary winning all the coin flips in Iowa? Nope, that was debunked within 24 hours of the caucus.

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Response to Skink (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:47 PM

56. Statistical ties? That's a new one. Why don't you just call them moral victories.

They count the same.

As for the coin flips, that was debunked almost immediately.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:04 PM

52. Facts are irrelevant to True Believers. June 16 is not,

though, and this is their designated time to rage against the realities of democracy.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:58 AM

3. USUncut is a Sanders-specific propaganda website. Not even Sanders' own staff believe this crap.

They threw him under the bus the other day: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041

Superdelegates aren't supporting Sanders because they don't think he's best for the party. Also, he got the fewest number of voter-chosen delegates.

By any metric, he LOST. He LOST more primaries, he got the fewest votes, he talks a great game but his fans don't go to the polls in sufficient numbers for him to prevail.

That's life.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:04 AM

4. they didn't rob me. i'm in California and voted anyway

and US Uncut is wrong to count all the voters in California as being "robbed" when a couple million of them had voted prior to the AP announcement.

and they didn't rob anybody. nobody was prevented from voting because of a newswire story, there were other races on the ballot anyway.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:06 AM

5. Thank you, and thank you for voting.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:13 AM

6. no one said they were PREVENTED from voting.

it says they were ROBBED.

people were discouraged and disenfranchised from voting - this is the issue and the undemocratic action by the AP to declare her the nominee. they falsely claim she had clinched the nomination by using results from their phone call poll of the superdelegates.

not only california voters were discouraged from voting but voters from the other states holding primaries. this was the purpose of their ploy.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:49 AM

14. NOBODY was disenfranchised. When you incorrectly use that term, you diminish REAL

 

disenfranchisement.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:25 AM

29. voters were disenfranchised -

or haven't you been keeping up with the reports? for starters, let's begin with the NPP's being given provisional ballots even after requesting a specific primary party ballot.

were you at the polls in east los angeles and other barrio or ghetto voting places? ...... didn't think so.

what diminishes disenfranchisement is people like you telling the disenfranchised what is "real".

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:25 PM

38. We weren't talking about any of those things

 

We were talking about AP calling the nomination early, and saying it disenfranchised people. IT. DID. NOT.

People may have been discouraged from voting .. but that was their CHOICE. Which is not disenfranchisement. And when you start calling things disenfranchisement that are not ... you diminish real disenfranchisement.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:40 AM

32. whatever happened in california the end result would have been unchanged

 

sanders could not overtake hillary's popular vote totals
sanders could not over take her pledged delegate totals
sanders could not overtake hillarys superdelegate totals


he lost every major metric BEFORE california even voted

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:43 PM

55. The hue and cry from the Bernie campaign ...

... for the last month was that if he won BIG in California, he would have a viable argument to take to the SDs, and could convince them to flip to his camp. The same was said of the remaining states - that a BIG win would convince the SDs that Bernie had the "momentum" in the last days of the primary contests.

Ergo, the media announcing that HRC had clinched the nomination should have had no bearing on Bernie voters, who already knew that Bernie's ONLY shot at the nomination would be via flipping the SDs on the basis of YUGE wins in California and the remaining contests. In fact, it should have led them to get out and vote for him to ensure his numbers were as high as possible.

The fact that Bernie lost California by double-digits leads to the obvious conclusion that the BS votes were never there in the first place.

It had long been predicted that Hillary would clinch the nomination by July 7th, and the fact that the media called it the night before wasn't a surprise to anyone paying attention.

If you want to hold yourself out as revolutionists who are willing to do whatever necessary to "take back the country", it seems rather silly to now claim that those supporting "the Revolution" stayed home and didn't vote because it was too much trouble to do so, and whining about defeat after-the-fact was simply the more convenient option.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:15 AM

60. Robbed, schrobbed...Batman has the only rational reply.

 

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:13 AM

7. What about Super-delegates in Clinton states that went to Sanders?

 

Clinton has received 116 Super-Delegates from states that Bernie won, or 20.8% of her SD total.

Sanders has received 15 Super-Delegates from states that Clinton won, or 31.9% of his SD total.

These numbers are from CNN.

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:54 AM

36. Oh come on, why would you want to bring rationality, statistics, and numbers into this??

What fun is that??!!

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Response to Matt_R (Reply #58)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:16 AM

61. And percentage-wise

 

more were robbed from Clinton. Two can play that game.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:23 AM

8. I have a question for you OP

 

If the AP had waited, and declared HRC the presumptive nominee after the polls closed in New Jersey, would you still say the voters in western states were disenfranchised?

OPs like yours makes a mockery of people who have suffered true disenfranchisement.

Like the woman in Tennessee who had been voting for 60 years, but with new voter ID laws, was barred from voting.

People were not disenfranchised or prevented from voting on Tuesday. In fact, the AP story should have made Sanders supporters more enthusiastic, just to try and rub it in Clintons face by winning the western states and especially California. Why did they not show up?

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:28 AM

30. this must be the latest brockian meme from people

like you who have the gall to attack disenfranchised voters who know what they experienced about "making a mockery of people who have suffered true disenfranchisement." get off your high horse.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #30)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:51 AM

35. You are

 

making a mockery and you know it. Some dumb millennial who forgot to register as a democrat IS NOT being disenfranchised like people without photo ID.

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:13 PM

37. Lol! I also have a hard time feeling the same sympathy for college kids as I do for minorities

and the poor. College kids should have the capability to research exactly what to do in order to vote and drive their car over to a polling place. There are people who are dirt poor who take three busses and have to take the day off of work and stand in line for 7 hours to vote.

I make sure I register properly and always double-check my polling place and that I'm registered in the right precinct as a Democrat in order to vote. Even then, I had a problem, being here in the state of Florida in a Republican area. I then had a hissy fit and demanded a provisional ballot. I also research what is the best way to vote, by absentee ballot, early voting, or voting on Election Day.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who doesn't take the above precautions or at least some of them.

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Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:05 AM

59. Excellent point: "I also have a hard time feeling the same sympathy for college kids...

 

as I do for minorities and the poor."

Self-absorption and entitlement, with a "F__k everything" attitude--these qualities define the college experience for some.

I said "some", not "many", and much less "all".

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:26 AM

9. Bravo, thank you for putting this necessary article into an OP.

 

Sorry all you've gotten is Hill fans so far who don't want to look too closely at the situation, but it's excellent that we have the facts available.

These stood out for me:

Hillary Clinton reached 2,383 delegates only with the help of 107 superdelegates from states Bernie Sanders won, who actively thwarted the will of millions of Democratic voters in their own states.

While Sanders blew Clinton out of the water by a 73-27 margin in Washington State, Clinton has 10 of 16 super-delegates, Sanders has zero.

One Alaska superdelegate backing Clinton patronized and belittled a Sanders supporter who asked her to cast her superdelegate vote with how her state’s residents voted.

Clinton could have lost every state and still won the nomination with superdelegates


There is something so wrong about this primary.

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Response to senz (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:07 AM

19. You must be horribly offended by the result in Mississippi

Which makes the results in Washington State look like small potatoes.

In Mississippi, Clinton destroyed Sanders by an 83-17 percent margin. But Sanders has 2 of five (40 percent) of the SDs.

I think you should make Bernie's unjustified claim on those Mississippi SDs the subject of an OP

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Response to onenote (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:41 PM

42. Also funny they keep bringing up Washington State.

They always ignore this: http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/President-Democratic-Party.html

Yeah no wonder the Washington supers aren't going to Bernie.

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Response to senz (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:51 PM

57. Then we had a prinary in WA state and HIllary won.

If you want to talk disenfranchisement, let's talk caucuses.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:28 AM

10. Cancel the votes of all the super delegates and Hillary still wins by a lot

 

This argument is nonsensical.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:54 AM

11. Bernie apparently wants to rob 16 million voters of the nomination

of the candidate they voted for.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:29 AM

12. Clinton won among pledged delegates too

 

Say that.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:53 AM

15. Lol

 

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:54 AM

16. usuncut is rivaling Common Dreams for fantasy reading

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Response to Tarc (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 06:22 AM

31. + 1

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:05 AM

18. There is no rule, no matter how badly Sanders wants it to be, that supers

reflect the results of how their state voted. And the question none of you will answer--why no call to make Raul Grijlava switch since Hillary won AZ?

Bernie didn't do ground game in CA and that's why he lost here.



Another critical factor: The state’s primary rules favored candidates who were meticulously organized and mobilized at the grass-roots level.

In 2008, more than half of the ballots cast in California were mailed in. Those voters tend to be reliable Democrats, and they also tend to be older. The Clinton campaign zeroed in on individual ballots, securing thousands of votes before primary day arrived.

"We just had a far superior ground game that was laser like focused on the early vote. That was a strategic focus on the campaign," said Buffy Wicks, Clinton's California state director. "We focused on this diverse coalition: women, African Americans, Latinos, AAPI voters.

"California is a majority minority state and the diversity of this state really lends itself to her and the diversity of the country will really lend itself to her in a general election," she added.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/08/how-hillary-clinton-won-california/

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:27 AM

22. Grijlava himself

He was on NPR and making the exact argument that superdelegates should have to choose the candidate who won the popular vote in their state. The interviewer asked him if that isn't a problem for him since AZ was won by Clinton. He said no because he's so committed to Bernie and has been from the start... wtf?

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:31 AM

25. OMG.

Stunning. A lot of masks have slipped this year.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:16 AM

20. The corrupt, anti-democratic superdelegate system needs to die.

 

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:24 AM

21. This is such an ignorant argument

Complaining about superdelegates supporting Clinton from states won by Sanders is such ridiculous cherry-picking. If the superdelegates should follow the democratic will of the voters in their states, then she wins easily. So basically they are saying if Bernie won their state, then they should have to support Bernie. If Hillary won their state, then they should still choose Bernie. I have never seen this level of hypocrisy amongst an entire group of people who purport to be "progressives".

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:27 AM

23. She was the chosen one

 

And TPTB weren't going to let a little thing like elections get in the way....

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:38 PM

41. It's not Hillary or "TPTB" who want something other than elections to decide the nominee.

Last edited Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)

It's you.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:29 AM

24. usuncut -- lolz

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:42 AM

27. More delusional thinking.HRC received the most pledged delegate vote.

Bernie wants to steal the election by flipping supers to himself. In other words, superdelegates DO count when they are for Bernie. But they DON'T count if they are for Hillary.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:02 PM

28. What Clintons have done to force this election

is a slap in the face to millions of voters, and they will not forget it.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:19 AM

33. You had SD's pledging to her before primaries even began

 

This is wrong.

More insider politics and cronyism.

All in who you know. And people wonder why so many of us are independent voters.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:30 PM

39. If you are a serious candidate, you do the ground work and work at having allies. That is how

politics works. It's an ugly business. That is why I quit campaign work. It's very depressing. After more than 30 years of working in it, I decided life is much more pleasant without having to make sausage and watching it being made. It just gets worse and worse too. If you really want to get sick, look into how the Republicans do it with their propaganda, psyops and dirty tricks.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:37 PM

40. There were NOT in fact "11 million Democrats waiting to vote."

Pretending that 100% turnout was going to happen in a primary is laughably dishonest.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 06:33 PM

44. More CA Counties flipping for Bernie.

according to the CA SOS, 3 more counties have flipped for bernie. santa clara county provisional ballots have not yet been counted.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:01 PM

48. Counties mean nothing.

Perhaps, you should learn a little something about the system. Start with how delegates are assigned in CA.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 06:39 PM

45. Washington state

 

popular vote went for Clinton.

It was the caucus goers insiders who went for Bernie.

No surprise superdelegates went with popular vote.

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Response to Whimsey (Reply #45)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:00 PM

47. the WA dem "primary" votes do not count -

that is a rule agreed to by the dnc - only the caucus votes counts - which bernie won.

you really should inform yourself. here is an FAQ: http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/2016-Presidential-Primary.aspx

http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucus-results
Bernie WA Delegates: 19135
Hillary WA Delegates: 7136

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:53 PM

50. The WA Dem priamry doesn't count for pledged delegate allocation.

That doesn't make it any less of an expression of the voters' voice.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 06:45 PM

46. Usuncut, lol, how's their page hit count trending? nt

 

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:15 PM

49. Nope, she wins by every metric

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:55 PM

51. I hear what you're saying but you can't change the rules mid-stream

Superdelegates are allowed to vote for whomever they choose.

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Response to hopemountain (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:05 PM

53. How dare they use the rules Bernie agreed to!

 

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