Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:12 PM
cali (114,904 posts)
Let's clear up a couple of things about Vermont politics
it's plain as day that most people here haven't a clue. Vermont Politics are different. They really are. Where else would you have a subsistence farmer with an eighth grade education beating the crap out of a well funded (carpetbagger) for the nomination for the the Republican U.S. Senate, and then promptly turning around and endorsing the democrat, who just happened to be Pat Leahy? In what other state would the three democratic candidates for governor, 2 of whom endorsed him, go hats in hand to the recent Vermont Progressive Party Convention and not only ask for the VPP endorsement, but each offr to run as hybrid D/VPP?
The Vermont Democratic Party is now the party of Bernie. That is no exaggeration. They unanimously supported him for President at the convention 2 weeks ago. And Bernie supporters won the the seats on the DNC. I haven't a clue if Bernie will run in 2018. My guess is he won't. But that is no guarantee that a democrat or anyone less iconoclastic than Bernie, will win. Odds are that if Bernie doesn't run, a Bernie Dem, VPP member or hybrid D/VPP candidate will replace him. I can assure you, it won't be our current governor, Peter Shumlin. He couldn't get elected dog catcher anywhere in the state. I'd be fine with Bernie not running. He'll be 77. He's done yeoman's work for decades. Honestly, I would have preferred if Pat had chosen not to to run this year. 43 years in the Senate is a long run. We grow good very progressive politicians here. You want to throw money to defeat our progressive politicians running for congress, go for it. Nothing could be more assured of failure. We'll just laugh our asses off as your petty malice and utter cluelessness.
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cali | Jun 2016 | OP |
Codeine | Jun 2016 | #1 | |
msongs | Jun 2016 | #3 | |
democrattotheend | Jun 2016 | #13 | |
leftinportland | Jun 2016 | #4 | |
auntpurl | Jun 2016 | #5 | |
Codeine | Jun 2016 | #7 | |
democrattotheend | Jun 2016 | #15 | |
Ken Burch | Jun 2016 | #8 | |
cali | Jun 2016 | #9 | |
auntpurl | Jun 2016 | #2 | |
LiberalArkie | Jun 2016 | #6 | |
Trenzalore | Jun 2016 | #10 | |
boston bean | Jun 2016 | #11 | |
cali | Jun 2016 | #12 | |
boston bean | Jun 2016 | #14 |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:20 PM
Codeine (25,586 posts)
1. Primarying Bernie would be childish, petty, vindictive,
and doomed to absolute certain failure. That last one is unforgivable in politics; you never want to primary someone like that and fail.
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Response to Codeine (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:23 PM
msongs (65,538 posts)
3. Bernie Sanders: Obama should be primaried. nt
Response to msongs (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:33 PM
democrattotheend (11,604 posts)
13. That's very different
I didn't support his call to primary Obama, but Bernie's call to primary Obama in 2012 was clearly based on issues. There is a big difference between saying someone needs to be primaried because he has failed to keep campaign promises and has not been progressive enough and saying someone should be primaried because of sour grapes over another election.
Plus, Bernie as a US citizen is a constituent of the president and thus had an interest in the 2012 election. Most of the people calling for Bernie to be primaried are not from Vermont, probably have never been to Vermont, and have no vested interest in the Vermont primary in 2018 other than retribution. |
Response to Codeine (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:24 PM
leftinportland (247 posts)
4. Agree, but that is what is being called for by
some childish, petty, and vindictive folks on this board.
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Response to leftinportland (Reply #4)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:25 PM
auntpurl (4,311 posts)
5. Yes, and several Hillary supporters expressed that they didn't appreciate the thread
including me.
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Response to leftinportland (Reply #4)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:26 PM
Codeine (25,586 posts)
7. A very small number of people
say any number of profoundly stupid things here. Doesn't mean much.
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Response to leftinportland (Reply #4)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:37 PM
democrattotheend (11,604 posts)
15. Some people can't seem to get over winning
It was the same way in 2008. Some Obama supporters went nuts over Hillary's refusal to concede starting in May (maybe earlier). I kept telling them "we won, get over it."
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Response to Codeine (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:28 PM
Ken Burch (50,254 posts)
8. The only person I can picture trying it would be Dean(either as candidate or mastermind).
It's been clear this entire cycle that Dean's support of HRC and passionate opposition to Bernie is based on a deeply-felt personal rage towards the man...possibly fueled by jealousy, given how much better Bernie did in 2016 than Dean did in 2004. Every time you saw Dean on tv this cycle, his entire body seemed clenched with anger.
If the national Dems tried primarying Bernie, the most likely result would be that Vermont Dems would break with the national party and join the VPP and other smaller parties in their own independent grouping...instantly putting the state under the total political dominance of a left-wing third party. Even DWS wouldn't be crazy enough to go there. |
Response to Ken Burch (Reply #8)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:33 PM
cali (114,904 posts)
9. nope. Dean wouldn't stand a chance even if Bernie chooses not to run
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:21 PM
auntpurl (4,311 posts)
2. Hey Cali
![]() Was wondering where you've been - haven't seen you around GDP much (not that anyone could blame anyone for not coming in here!) |
Response to cali (Original post)
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:25 PM
Trenzalore (2,254 posts)
10. No one is going to remember this week in 2018
Unless Bernie has a complete meltdown and decides to turn Philadelphia into Chicago 1968.
Most likely outcome Bernie is going to meet with the President and Senator Reid on Thursday. Than sometime in the next week he will meet with Secretary Clinton. At this point changes to the nominating process, platform, and committee assignments will be discussed. Bernie will be offered a role in a Clinton administration. Personally I think he'd make a great Secretary of Labor. He will most likely decline and be given a more prominent leadership role in the Senate. As long as Bernie doesn't have a complete meltdown he will walk away with a higher profile and more than a few things he wants. |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:26 PM
boston bean (35,448 posts)
11. Why you trying to harsh democracy? jk..
Response to boston bean (Reply #11)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:33 PM
cali (114,904 posts)
12. why are you always making stuff up?
Response to cali (Reply #12)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:35 PM
boston bean (35,448 posts)