All the misty eyed blather over a woman getting the nom is BS. She is owned by Wall Street.

[dinkytron]

And the fact that so many are good with a bought and paid for hawk does not bode will for the moral direction of our country. But the deal is done. Hold your nose and vote against the boogy man.

Congratulations to Wall Street, AP, Cable News, Wasserman Schulz, the DNC and everyone I forgot to mention.

[SidDithers]

1. Get 'em in while you still can...

Tick tock.

Sid

[Maru Kitteh]

4. Freepers and co., and others, are just having a field day lately.

They must love our Primary season.

Oh well. 8 days. Or less.

[Matt_R]

98. Hi sid, Did you remember to vote?

[NCTraveler]

118. If I remember correctly Sid mentioned they voted in the Canadian election.

Our great northern friend.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Owned corporatist? Wrong, but you know this.

[glowing]

17. Ok, she hasn't met a corporation she hasn't likes yet.

And her donors absolutely expect repayment for their loyalty.

[Thinkingabout]

18. When have you found where she has been influenced?

[apcalc]

32. They haven't of course

Just spouting off old bs

[Thinkingabout]

36. We know who is influenced

[glowing]

34. Banking, healthcare, MIC (well she kind of always liked war)

I can't stand her! I can't listen to her talk! I'm going to spend the entire next 4 to 8 yrs muting the tv, getting older, looking at 45 until possibly, maybe, just slightly, we can have the idea of better pay, trade agreements that favor the US, no wars, and at that time, I'm only 20yrs from "retirement" with probably no savings and watching my son get shipped to some ME country again. He wants a military career (to my chagrin of being someone who was actively CodePink in 04- the ye he was born).

I live in FL, I've been told I'm not needed to vote, so, I'll vote for someone other than Clinton, and then the rest of the issues and down ballot Dems (not that it matters much, I am in a smal section of republican voters-- I actually get challenged to vote when I show up on Election Day so I now get mail ballots).

I don't think she's going to win FL. All I see are Trump stickers and a few Bernie ones... I think many progressives I'll vote a moral choice. Young, much to my absolute dismay, will probably not show up (and we may lose the medical marijuana initiative again - which we don't need)! NOW, if the idiot Clinton campaign actually stood up and lead on something, this would be a HUGE deal! If she actively stood with those in this state that have HUGE credibility on this fight, saw in a year where Rick Scott won and marijuana came in at 58% in off presidential year, she'd make a pretty bold statement and push for it (we need that native 60% in FL for ballot initiatives to pass). It would more than likely get the youth back out to vote.

Nationally, she should make a bold stand on saying using marijuana will be a non-imprisonable offense under her admin. And the federal DEA and the rest of the alphabet agency will NOT go after legit growers or states that have made it legal. And to declassify as a schedule 1 drug. That would be a very decent youth initiative because it helps in dealing with police issues and getting rid of the prohibition on something that may just keep people from using the more harmful narcotics in pain management. There is a heroin epidemic in part to the pharmaceutical pushing of those narcotics and the subsequent crackdowns that push them into heroin.

[pangaia]

40. You forgot prisons.

[glowing]

68. Sorry!! I'm on the phone, hence typos.. Plus

everyone knows she won't listen to grassroots efforts and take a bold stand on something as easily reconcilable in this country as pot (remember how old these "flower children" are now). She takes huge sums from pharmaceutical and prison/ policing industries to come out against something that would loose them huge sums of money. What nature grows naturally with marijuana has been in replicable in pharmaceutical industry so far, and its easier to throw money at a politician.

To many of us, lifiting prohibition of pot is about as "no brainier" as supporting same sex marriage. Again, she won't actually listen to anything that isn't polled first and I doubt any of her staff would even think of grabbing this issue to "win" FL on!!! I don't see her getting the "youth" to come in and stand in those long lines that are completely rigged by republican operatives for her without a really big "game changer". And they are so young, they don't care if 4 more years equals Trump, especially when they can swing Congress under a Trump election during that time. And many, many, many have absolutely no basis of a "civics" lesson because school doesn't teach this any longer. Those that have just come in for the first time "making messes" and screaming "unfair" haven't been around the block, so to speak. I don't know that many think much of the Supreme Court or really understand that it is probably the most dangerous branch of govt we have. They won't vote for that "threat" they don't really understand.

What Democrats need to do is start getting local political offices filled with progressive "BernieCrats" as much as possible; especially in regards to school boards. Then they can say, teachers, you must teach civics so they even have a clue! Create a process where the youth in high school can go and "campaign" for a candidate once they have identified someone they feel strongly about. Get them engaged early on and then maybe the DNC and RNC will look different, youth vote isn't taken for granted, and the politicians can't take issues like the environment as "lip service"; they have to act boldly and lead the world. As it is now, China is leading that. We will become irrelevant without bold strides forward.

[Scuba]

43. She takes money from health insurance companies and moves the Dems away from Medicare for All.

She takes money from the MIC and advocates for military interventions.





It's a long list. Wake up and smell the influence.

[JSup]

71. Only one way to find out...

...if she's influenced.

If someone is suspected of being influenced my Mammonic Forces we throw them into the sea with a gold bar tied around their neck; if they drown then Mammon claims them, if they float then they are pure.

[glowing]

119. I think the banking stances, can't do health care for all,

Can't make college more affordable, can't tax the rich... Having the position of free trade agreements... Her choice in SoS dept in regards to Honduras and the subsequent violence, environmental degradation, and Union Bustin that consists of death to the labor leaders was the wrong choice. Her choice and advocacy of regime change in Lybia and the consequences that have devolved within that country and around the region to create violence and instability.

This isn't a "witch hunt". This is speaking about the power and influence that occurs due to "contributions", legalized bribery, within our system of govt.

[scscholar]

81. Why in the hell would you believe that?

I guess you also believe the spew of lies from the Republicans about email? Those people don't understand tech.

[840high]

105. Lot of favors owed.

[Loki Liesmith]

3. 1 week to go

[Amaril]

79. Fed up already, are ya?

After only 13 days?

[Loki Liesmith]

82. Nah

Had an account years ago. Ragequit after a bad blow up with another user and have read the forums on and off for years without an account.

[adigal]

84. I'll be interested to see the purge that happens here...it will be a pure Hillary site then

An echo chamber in which you can all continue to deny that Trump is a dangerous candidate, that he may very well beat Hillary. You may be surprised on the day after the Election as Mitt Romney in his Echo Chamber was.

[Recursion]

5. Corporatism

"the sociopolitical organization of a society by major interest groups, or corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of common interests."



I mean, maybe? It seems more like a theory or conceptual model than an actual implementable program.

I guess I'd reverse the question: in what ways do you see society as not organized by major interest groups like agriculture, business, ethnicity, labor, military, etc.?

[dinkytron]

6. Okay, I will edit. She is owned by wall street.

[Recursion]

8. What the fuck does that even mean?

First off, what is "Wall Street"?

Secondly, what do you mean by "owned"?

This intellectual laziness is a new thing on the left and I don't like it...

(To pre-empt: I didn't vote for her in the primary and I wish we had a different candidate.)

[dinkytron]

9. You figure it out.

[Recursion]

10. I'll get right on that

[JudyM]

88. Shouldn't take too long if you google it.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

37. Bumper sticker mentality. Nt

[Recursion]

38. Sadly (nt)

[think]

44. Hillary took millions in income from 7 major banks that are being sued for rigging markets

Can we admit this or is that a bridge too far?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512014250

[Recursion]

46. Why would I agree to that?

I don't like her but I get no sense that she's pursuing different policies after the speeches than she was before.

[think]

48. Ya. Hillary is the only politician on earth who isn't influenced by big money

[Jakes Progress]

91. It means this poster gets his or her news from

memes and right wing propaganda.

Hey. It's easier than thinking. Or becoming informed. Just go with what you just heard on the radio. Easy Peasy.

[Time for change]

120. It means first of all that she has received a great deal of money from the financial industry

That money has been of great help to her in running her campaign, and also she has received a good deal of personal money from the same industry -- $250,000 for single speeches.

We know from history (not to mention common sense) that when politicians received such money from wealthy interest groups they tend to favor them in their policy -- at the expense of the American people.

[Fumesucker]

13. It might be the Devil or it might be the Lord but you gotta Serve Somebody

And here I was thinking the government was the way we organized our society.. I guess I was a governmentist conspiracist theorist

[Recursion]

16. Well, statism has always been strong in the US (I consider myself a statist more than a corporatist)

particularly on the Left (this actually distinguishes the American Left from a lot of the rest of the world's Left, who are in general more skeptical of the state). But I'm not a reductionist: obviously there are some important ways that corporate bodies like unions, community groups, businesses and trade associations, etc. impact the organization of society, and all in all that's probably a good thing, at least to an extent (as always, everything in moderation and the Devil in the details).

BTW thank you for the song; love that one.

And here I was thinking the government was the way we organized our society

Oddly enough we have two pretty strong statists who stand on the cusp of being the nominees of the two major parties, and they're both being called "corporatists", I suppose because people conflate the sense of the word "corporation" into it.

[Fumesucker]

24. People are using the word to denote those they consider unduly influenced by corporate interests

Owned is the word of choice but long term lease is probably closer to the actual arrangement.

That's not the only good cover of the song, I like Tommy Castro's take on it too.

[Recursion]

26. I agree they are, and obviously I'm kind of just being a dick about this

But it's not actually what the word means, so I occasionally rant about that.

Since you've graced us with two awesome videos, in honor of the monsoon now coming in to Mumbai I'll add this one:

It's chill as hell. You'll thank me.

[Fumesucker]

76. Speaking of chill we had our clearest night in a month, it's actually cool this morning

At this time of the year I can tell before I even open my eyes in the morning if it's been clear or not, if the house is cool and the AC isn't running then it was clear.

That was after a week of more or less continuous rain, I've been tracking down mosquito breeding spots for a couple of days to empty them. We have enough bloodsucking parasites in America without the damn wildlife too.

Even have some blackbirds in the garden, or black birds anyway I think they're actually crows they keep calling for someone named "Kaw". The clever things have learned how to open the garbage can if we don't bungee the top down and they make an awful mess, worse than the cats and almost as bad as the raccoons but raccoons can't fly, thank god.

[Jack Bone]

7. That's a little harsh....I wouldn't say owned

definitely rented.....Leased probably....but not owned

[pangaia]

41. Yes, yes.. that is right.

She is allowed a little leeway, as they all are.

[Locrian]

11. nope not owned. - She is one with the establishment - sad day for the world - n/t

[oberliner]

39. Sad day for the world?

Jesus, what website is this?

[bigtree]

12. won't miss this bullshit

...real people voted for Hillary Clinton,

Mostly Democrats and minorities.

No one paid for my vote.

[Fumesucker]

14. They didn't have to pay for your vote, they paid for hers

I can understand why you wouldn't want to be reminded of that.

[840high]

106. .that^

[adigal]

85. And I bet you are a relatively comfortable middle class person - which is why Hillary won

The Democratic Haves do NOT want the Have Nots eating their lunch.

[libdem4life]

96. This is my opinion, in a nutshell. Only thing I'd change is the reference

to party. It's irrelevant. Big donors give to both parties, both parties take the money. Citizen's United put it all on steriods. Sold...to the highest bidder.

It is now pretty much the Have's and the Have Nots. The Middle Class/Working Class...the experiment that defied that course...is in the process of decline and back to the perennnial dyad. I think it started in earnest when Unions were continually defeated time and time again. Their power was in their numbers and, yes, solidarity.

I would never think to see HRC marching in a picket line. But Bernie did. Yes, there were mighty big differences.

[adigal]

97. Amen. Are you going to stay a libdem4life? nt

[libdem4life]

100. Yep, as the name infers, I'm still alive...LOL

and I plan to stay at DU. Good people here who think...whether I agree or not, it's an important element in being a good citizen. That's what's happened IMO, people stopped thinking or caring.

Do I hope for some mighty big changes, I do indeed. But I can be patient.

Thanks for asking.

[jehop61]

15. As Thomas Jefferson said...

(“Our good ladies, I trust, have been too wise to wrinkle their foreheads with politics. They are contented to soothe and calm the minds of their husbands returning ruffled from political debate.”)



Thank you to Gail Collins NYT column this a.m.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

19. I hope we can put this "first" stuff behind us for a little while or we are surly lose sight of the

forest for the trees.

[auntpurl]

20. Literally nothing you can say can dilute my joy

I can't stop smiling. This is fantastic. I've been waiting for this all my life!

[NCTraveler]

23. I'm so happy for you auntpurl.

You carried yourself during the primaries in a way I wish I would have. Don't get me wrong, I think I only went too far a handful of times. One of those times you were there to tell me to whoa back. Your kindness and sincerity is refreshing.

A huge congratulations to you. This moment is monumental and we won't be brought down.

[auntpurl]

25. Wow, thank you for such kind words!

I'm old now, lol. In my 20s and 30s I was a lot more volatile, a lot more emotional about politics. I did NOT keep my composure in 08, I can tell you that much!

But actually, I have made an effort this primary cycle and bit my tongue many times when people were rude after I'd been civil. I really appreciate you noticing. Thank you and massive congratulations and to you too! We made it!

[pangaia]

42. Well it is noce to have a female nominee..

Unfortunately, she is the wrong one. To me THAT is much more important than the fact that she is a female.

[NCTraveler]

21. Thanks for the transparency.

[Vogon_Glory]

22. The voters have spoken. Bernie lost. Deal with it.

And before you go off and tearfully file a TOS complaint, note that I intend to be equally insensitive to the Donald's supporters' feelings in November.

[dinkytron]

27. The voters, the DNC, Goldman Sachs , Tweety and the whole gang have spoken. I will

vote against Trump come election time.

[That Guy 888]

54. "before you go off and tearfully file a TOS complaint" nah ignore is easier.

...note that I intend to be equally insensitive to the Donald's supporters' feelings in November.

I've noticed Clinton supporters get confused about Sanders supporters deserving the same treatment as republicans. Clinton does seem a little more interested in getting the republican vote though.

[Vogon_Glory]

64. You may wish to take off your Pollyanna designer-label sunglasses

And take note of some of the nasty comments and spiteful behavior directed at Clinton supporters by self-styled Sanders supporters. TOS complaints filed made by Sanders supporters about very mild pro--Clinton posts are just some instances of juvenile behavior made by some self-described members of the Sanders camp.

[That Guy 888]

66. Ha Ha Ha. It's always a good laugh when Clinton supporters accuse me of being like them

Too wealthy to be affected by the outcome of this election. Nope, nothing designer here.

TOS complaints filed made by Sanders supporters about very mild pro--Clinton posts are just some instances of juvenile behavior made by some self-described members of the Sanders camp.

...and Clinton supporters on DU alert-stalked Sanders supporters your point being?

[Lizzie Poppet]

110. "tu quoque"

Oh, and bye, Felicia.

[Vogon_Glory]

65. And furthermore, may I suggest a look-see at

Post 29?

[Proud Public Servant]

28. Here's what my daughter drinks her morning tea from

She thanks you for your contribution.

[auntpurl]

35. Fantastic.

[JoePhilly]

90. Lol!!

[leftofcool]

92. I gotta have one of these!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Il_Coniglietto]

102. Any idea where she bought it?

I'd love to add this to my own tea mug collection!

[Proud Public Servant]

111. Nope, but I've seen several online vendors

Just Google "male tears mug."

[Lizzie Poppet]

112. Identity politics is for the shallow.

Mutual possession of vaginas in no way makes Princess Weathervane even slightly more acceptable to me. Regardless of her plumbing, she remains a venal, dishonest, warmongering tool

[PeaceNikki]

30. .

[wyldwolf]

31. tick... tick... tick...

The countdown is on until posts like yours go away...

[dinkytron]

33. Yup, the boards will be purged, just like a private server.

[Tarc]

45. "...just like a private server"

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or uninformed.

[Darb]

49. Belligerent.

And childish.

[Tarc]

52. Is he not aware that this is a private server? That you or I or he have no free speech rights?

We exist here at the sufferance of the owners, who lay out the Terms of Service. Either those are followed, or you get tossed.

Simple.

[Darb]

55. Still waiting for the tossing to begin.

When is that again?

[Darb]

47. I love that Old Amsterdam Aged Gouda.

You need some cheese. Try that one. Or whatever type. But get some cheese......quick.

[pinebox]

50. This fits

Maybe Hillary should start using this as her new campaign song

[hamsterjill]

51. Blather?

Pardon me if it offends you that some women wish to take a moment to relish this moment.

I've waited a long time for this moment, and I will not allow it to be scarred by some sore loser. Nor will I apologize for enjoying this moment in history.

Go, Hilary!!!

[stonecutter357]

53. Are you a RWNJ are just a SJW ?

[LexVegas]

56. There it is. nt

[pdsimdars]

57. And she's under criminal investigation from the FBI

[leftofcool]

93. Actually, no she isn't.

[840high]

107. Oh no! The FBI is lying to us.

[ismnotwasm]

58. No she isn't

And it's a very historic moment.

[calguy]

59. Give it up Assholes

Sorry for the name calling, but a certain element of hard core BSers are losing my respect.
Their hard headed hatred for anything other than their own beliefs is wearing thin.
This is what assholes does. This is what Trump does.
Hillary not only beat Bernie last night, she KICKED HIS ASS!!
The voters have spoken loud and clear.....there was no conspiracy, the vote was not rigged......
She KICKED HIS ASS..pure and simple....anyone who now mocks and degrades our candidate, the cclear people's choice, on a Democratic site is now considered in my book a complete and utter ASSHOLE.Give it up...ASSHOLES!

[Smarmie Doofus]

62. And here we have the future of DU?

nt

[QC]

75. And the past eight years or so as well.

Really, it's been a least common denominator game here for a while.

Do you remember the 2008 primary season? Posters running around shrieking "You just want a pony!!!" at LGBT people and "Thank you for your concern!" being treated as the height of sophisticated repartée and posters giggling and cooing at dreamy pinup pictures of politicians?

That primary was when DU became what it is now. This recent primary season just finished it off.

[Lizzie Poppet]

115. For Camp Weathervane, that's a deep, nuanced response.

Ya gots ta consider the source...

[adigal]

86. Say stuff like this, and then you'll whine when Bernie supporters don't fill in the President slot

Because this is totally counterproductive.

[MohRokTah]

60. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Smarmie Doofus]

61. Cosmetic change.

"Lipstick on a pig", if you will. ( For the truly dense among us, the "pig" is the political and economic system we currently endure; NOT any specific person.)

More of the same, actually. A LOT more, one suspects.

[seabeyond]

63. Ya. well, many felt that with a first black man. That is what happens while sittin in privilege and

entitlement.

Blather my ass, but she kicked Sanders ass so sit in cluelessness while we get our first woman president.

[adigal]

87. Obviously, no one ever taught you to be a gracious winner. nt

[seabeyond]

89. "All the misty eyed blather over a woman getting the nom is BS"

So, your definition of a gracious winner is to allow ourselves to be nastily attacked?

No, I am not that gracious. I can own it.

[Brickbat]

67. Thanks for explaining my feelings for me!

HRC is not my favorite. She's definitely problematic. But she also represents progress, and if you think celebrating this accomplishment is "misty eyed blather," you can fuck right off.

[geek tragedy]

69. sore losers are losers nt

[Todays_Illusion]

70. The media won this election. You get a continuation of the globalization of the U.S. worker and

more wealth enhancing for the few, including the Clintons who have gone from "flat broke," to multi-millionaire status. It will be good for the now near monopolized corporate economy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. Ruthless ambition is not confined to the males of the species. K&R

[one_voice]

73. I see you needed a nice long nap before writing this OP.

hope you're well rested.

[democrattotheend]

74. This is a really classless post

Whether you like Hillary or not, it's the first time a woman has won the nomination for president on a major party ticket and that is an historic event. Be mad all you want about the way things went down - I am too - but there is no need to belittle the historic aspect of her victory.

[johnnypanic42]

77. people saying she broke the glass ceiling is laughable.

i mean, yes this is technically a historical moment for women, but that doesn't mean the single act of Hillary reaching this point has finally eliminated the barrier of sexism for women in politics. reminds me of the papers that recently said Muhammad Ali "transcended" his race and "overcame" racism. one successful person does not do away with all discrimination.

but then again, "the glass ceiling finally broke" makes for a pretty appealing headline...ladies, we don't have to worry anymore. Hillary's got it from here.

[Beacool]

94. So, using that argument, Obama's win in 2008 wasn't historical either?

[emulatorloo]

78. First woman nominee of a major party is a historic big deal. As was first African American nominee.

say whatever you wish and spin as much as you want, it does not change the historic nature of this.

[mike_c]

103. Senator Clinton is not the first female nominee for president...

...although she is the first such Democratic party nominee (presumptive, 'cause it hasn't happened yet). The democratic party is just late to history. Quite a few women have run for president previously and several have been their party's nominee. Here's a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates .

[emulatorloo]

114. Thanks, corrected.

[840high]

109. Not the first - look it up.

[emulatorloo]

113. Thanks! Corrected: First female presumptive nominee of a major party in the US.

Last edited Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Thanks for the correction.

That being said, it is still historic that's she's the first Woman presumptive nominee Of Democratic Party. whether OP likes it or not

[intheozone]

80. This post is pure bull shit. nt

[adigal]

83. I vote by policy, not gender. I'm not thrilled at all that Hillary is our first woman

I wish it were Warren. And I'm amazed at how many women seem to vote for gender, not policy.

[Lizzie Poppet]

116. I couldn't care less about her plumbing. Identity politics is idiotic.

[Time for change]

95. The deal is not done yet

[Florencenj2point0]

99. Bitter grapes

shame on you

[pandr32]

101. Please do explain how HC is "owned by Wall Street"

[BainsBane]

104. Women are no longer property

Clinton is owned by no one. Sanders at no point was able to show that Clinton's policies or voting record were in any way influenced by Wall Street, when in fact her contributions from that sector of the economy are MUCH smaller than FDR's, whose campaign contributions from Wall Street amounted to 25% of his total fundraising.

Sanders worked hard to make the issue of campaign finance small, to pretend it was all about Hillary Clinton and not a system that he himself benefited from. His supporters, eager for one dimensional explanations, lapped it up. The rest of the electorate saw through it.

This is a victory for the non-white male majority, who rejected the message that America was better fifty years ago, who care about more than trite bumper sticker slogans and transparent GOP memes circulated for the consumption of the "progressives" eager to seize on that RW propaganda to ensure their own unfettered privilege. Naturally they dismiss the votes of the Democratic majority because principles of human inequality have been evident throughout this campaign. Without such beliefs, it is not possible to proclaim some voters superior to others, so much so that a presidential candidate has the audacity to argue that the votes of a minority should take precedence over a much larger majority.

It's pretty ironic you attribute this to big media when Bernie is the one insisting corporate polls should take precedence over the votes of mere citizens. All while that candidate has ensured unfettered profits for gun corporations over the rights of citizens and continues to promote more than a trillion in corporate welfare for Lockheed-Martin and other MIC corporations. The rank hypocrisy has been evident for a long time, and empty slogans only serve to highlight intellectual and moral bankruptcy make possible by self-entitlement.

Your post shows utter contempt for the rights of the Democratic majority, and that theme has been one that has been evident throughout this campaign. Sanders supporters imagined that you could spend months insulting Democratic voters, African Americans, women, and then still get their votes? Or perhaps they thought our votes were too inconsequential to even matter, and that their self-entitlement was enough to deliver them power. Only it turned out they were wrong. None of you have to like the fact that other Americans besides you matter, but you will have to live with it.

[Andy823]

108. Who owns yo? nt

[NCTraveler]

117. I'm misty eyed and blathering over the nomination of Clinton. Now O's endorsement.

Sorry that bothers you so.

[Orsino]

121. No, it's not all BS.

The part where America has oppressed, mocked and marginalized women for centuries, and is poised to elect a female president? That's shit's real, and as far as it goes, awesome.