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Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:45 PM

 

Sanders statement June 4: "The election is not over on June 7th. No candidate can declare victory"


"The election is not all over on Tuesday night. At the end of the nominating process no candidate will have enough pledged delegates to call the campaign a victory. Super delegates make their final decision on who to support at the convention on July 25th. Super delegates can and have changed their candidate choice in the past. In other words the Democratic convention will be a contested convention."




DNC Communications Director: Superdelegates "are likely to change their minds on who to vote for"

Luis Miranda also said CNN and other media should not include the super delegates in the vote totals before the convention because they have not voted and can change their minds before the convention.




Luis Miranda, Communications Director, Democratic National Committee

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imagine2015 Jun 2016 OP
RobertEarl Jun 2016 #1
Tarc Jun 2016 #2
Jack Bone Jun 2016 #3
Tarc Jun 2016 #5
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #7
Jack Bone Jun 2016 #8
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #6
Tarc Jun 2016 #43
BzaDem Jun 2016 #4
Jack Bone Jun 2016 #10
BzaDem Jun 2016 #12
Jack Bone Jun 2016 #13
BzaDem Jun 2016 #14
Jack Bone Jun 2016 #16
BzaDem Jun 2016 #19
Jack Bone Jun 2016 #42
bvf Jun 2016 #30
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #9
Segami Jun 2016 #11
CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #15
eastwestdem Jun 2016 #17
jillan Jun 2016 #18
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #20
oberliner Jun 2016 #24
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #28
seabeyond Jun 2016 #36
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #44
oberliner Jun 2016 #58
anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #21
jillan Jun 2016 #25
anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #31
jillan Jun 2016 #32
seabeyond Jun 2016 #37
anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #38
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #45
oberliner Jun 2016 #23
oberliner Jun 2016 #22
jillan Jun 2016 #26
oberliner Jun 2016 #57
RandySF Jun 2016 #27
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #29
jillan Jun 2016 #34
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #40
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46
seabeyond Jun 2016 #33
jillan Jun 2016 #35
seabeyond Jun 2016 #39
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #41
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #48
Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #47
MFM008 Jun 2016 #49
senz Jun 2016 #50
B Calm Jun 2016 #52
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #59
MFM008 Jun 2016 #51
B Calm Jun 2016 #53
MFM008 Jun 2016 #55
senz Jun 2016 #56
rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #54
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #60
rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #61
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #62
Gothmog Jun 2016 #63
Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #64
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #65

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:47 PM

1. This is gonna be quite an experience

 

Lots of campaigning still to be done. It will now be focused on just 700 votes.

One can just imagine Bill will be burning up the phone lines.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:49 PM

2. The election will before on June 7th, just as it went in 2008 and 2004

Obama and Kerry were declared the presumptive nominee based on pledged + super delegates, before the convention.

This is how it works.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:52 PM

3. Yeah...when the other candidates suspend their campaigns

That ain't happening in 2016...

We're Philly Bound!!

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Response to Jack Bone (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:54 PM

5. Yes, all 2nd-place finishers are welcome at the convention, Bernie will be there

3 days from presumptive nominee status.
12 days til the DU sees a new ruleset enforced.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:02 AM

7. A "presumptive" status only claim by Hillary's campaign supporters and "neutral" DU Adminstrators.

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:03 AM

8. They 'll be no presumptive anything this year

dream on....

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Response to Tarc (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:59 PM

6. This is not at all like 2008 and 2012. Haven't you been following the primaries or 2008/2012?

 


2012 wasn't contested and in 2008 Clinton suspended her campaign after Obama promised to help her pay campaign debts.

Sanders will not beg for help from the establishment as a condition to support Secretary Clinton should she capture the nomination.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:01 AM

43. Simmah down mr. 2015, I didn't say 2012 at all


When a candidate reaches the threshold of pledged delegates + super endorsements, she (see what I did there?) is declared the presumptive nominee.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:54 PM

4. It's kind of hard to pretend the election is still going when the rest of the world has moved on.

He will either concede shortly after Hillary clinches (yes, including superdelegates), or he will just disappear once the media declares the race over.

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:05 AM

10. Point being, the media IS NOT to call the race over

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Response to Jack Bone (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:07 AM

12. What happens when they do, despite whatever you have said to the contrary?

After all, they declared Obama the victor despite a much slimmer lead, and despite the fact that Hillary had not conceded.

Funny how things work -- sometimes, you actually don't get what you want.

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:12 AM

13. Hillary suspended her campaign...Bernie's not

Big Difference!

Difference Matters!

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Response to Jack Bone (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:13 AM

14. Did you not see my post? They declared Obama the victor BEFORE Hillary suspended her campaign.

Are you saying they were able to look into the future?

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:21 AM

16. Probably talked to someone in her campaign...i dunno

I'm not MSNBC in 2008...I couldn't tell ya..maybe Snuffluffagus over @ ABC called up his ol boss and got the skinny...Carville @ CNN...i dunno

This year...it ain't happening...unless maybe if he gets blown out in CA...and that's not gonna happen

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Response to Jack Bone (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:32 AM

19. Or maybe... just maybe... they will call it, like in 08, as your opinion doesn't matter to them.

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:47 AM

42. It's not my opinion, it's the DNC's!

Please read the OP...you'll find your answer.

I guess YOUR opinion is more important than theirs.

Carry on...

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Response to BzaDem (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:52 AM

30. It's kind of hard to pretend you could successfully

 

predict a sunrise.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:04 AM

9. Bernie will campaign until the convention, good for him

This way, he can put more pressure for concessions and get just about everything he wants, even if he isn't able to get the nomination, for example, maybe he wants to head the DNC, or has someone in mind who he wants as head of the DNC, and an agreement to wipe out super delegates in the nominating process in the future, have the party adopt his policies and Hillary will promise to campaign for them - such as $15 dollar min wage, etc. etc.

This is great news, Bernie is an incredible fighter for the people, he doesn't give up.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:05 AM

11. Kick

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:15 AM

15. I'll Stand With The Candidate That Tells The Truth And Is THE Advocate For The People...

Rather than the "Queen of Obfuscation" and worse...

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:27 AM

17. You keep believing that Sanders...keep spending that money to defeat Hillary. Your supporters

 

don't seem to mind.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:31 AM

18. Superdelegates do not vote until July 25th. They are irrelevant until then.

Enough of the lie that they are included in the delegate total.

They are NOT!

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Response to jillan (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:37 AM

20. Exactly, and I love your sig picture.

what a lot of Hillary supporters aren't getting, or are in denial about, is that Bernie's stance has multiple benefits and advantages, one is that it allows more time for the FBI to finish their investigation, and perhaps there will be breaking news on that front by the time the convention rolls around, or some other new Clinton scandal blows up, and the super delegates will have little choice but to change their mind and switch to Bernie if they don't want a fatally wounded and sure loss candidate in the general election...

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:44 AM

24. So his hope is for the super delegates to overrule the pledged delegate winner?

 

Doesn't that seem to run counter to his stance on super delegates?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:47 AM

28. It's the way the game is played now, he didn't write the rules.

doesn't mean he has to like the game, but he has to play by the rules.

I'm sure if Bernie becomes president, super delegates will be wiped out or lessened to a huge degree...but he has to get the nomination first.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:10 AM

36. Lol LOl. Oh my the hypocrisy of a year of this shit.

 

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:54 AM

44. Including supers for determining a presumptive nominee is ALSO "the way the game is played now".

Has been since 1984. Will be until superdelegates get abolished.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:59 AM

58. Right, but he could stand on principle and say they should vote for the pledged delegate winner

 

Whether that is Bernie or Hillary.

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Response to jillan (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:41 AM

21. You might want to prepare to be upset on Tuesday. Maybe get your comfort items ready. nt

 

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Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:45 AM

25. Hillary will not have 2383 pledged delegates. Those are the rules. Period.

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Response to jillan (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:05 AM

31. She will have passed 2383 including those supers who have committed to her, which

 

is the criteria the media has always used in the past. When she passes this threshold, she will be declared the presumptive nominee (not the nominee, which - you are correct - happens after the official vote during the convention). At that point, she will receive endorsements from many democratic big wigs, including current and former presidents and VPs. The media will, of course, cover these events heavily. They will focus almost entirely on Trump v. Clinton, and Sanders will be pushed into the background, only receiving coverage if he makes some wild demand...and only then because of the humor value. In a couple of weeks, should he decide to continue his campaign, you will almost never hear about him from any news outlet. Most of his traveling press corps will be reassigned. While Hillary will not yet be the nominee (much like Trump is not yet the repub nominee), she will be for all practical purposes.

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Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:07 AM

32. The supers do not count until they have voted on July 25th. The supers do not count until they have

voted on July 25th. The supers do not count until they have voted on July 25th.The supers do not count until they have voted on July 25th.The supers do not count until they have voted on July 25th.The supers do not count until they have voted on July 25th.The supers do not count until they have voted on July 25th.

Did I get that into your head?

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Response to jillan (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:14 AM

37. Tuesday calls it.

 

?w=584

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Response to jillan (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:14 AM

38. I never disagreed. There is no way anyone can be the nominee before July 25th. BUT

 

Hillary will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday.

From your little tantrum, it sounds like you might need some pharmacologic help. You still have time to see your doctor for a prescription on Monday.

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Response to jillan (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:59 AM

45. It doesn't matter how often you repeat it.

Superdelegate endorsements always are counted when determining a presumptive nominee. It's been that way since 1984, and as long as superdelegates still exist it will continue to be that way.

BTW are you also complaining about the media declaring that Trump has secured the Republican nomination? He doesn't have quite enough pledged delegates alone to get there yet. It's based on unpledged delegates (yes Republicans have those too) having said they'll vote for him at the convention. That's exactly the same as counting superdelegate endorsements for the Democratic race.

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Response to jillan (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:43 AM

23. The pledged delegate totals are relevant

 

The person who has the most of them ought to be the nominee.

I would think that someone opposed to the concept of super delegates (as Bernie seems to be) would agree with that.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:42 AM

22. He wants the super delegates to override the pledged delegate winner?

 

For a person who prides himself on running a principled campaign, this approach seems somewhat less than principled.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:46 AM

26. The super delegates haven't voted. lol. They can vote for whoever they want AT THE CONVENTION.

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Response to jillan (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:58 AM

57. Right, but he is encouraging them to not vote for the candidate who wins the most pledged delegates

 

That seems to run counter to his beliefs.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:46 AM

27. And I should listen to him why?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:48 AM

29. Bernie can say whatever he wants. Just watch what happens.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:09 AM

34. So the Hillary camp doesn't believe in rules? The rules were there when she signed up to run.

In fact the same exact rules that were there in 2008 when she ran and lost.

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Response to jillan (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:16 AM

40. They believe in the rules. Bernie's camp claims to not believe in reality

But reality will become very obvious next week.

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Response to jillan (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:02 AM

46. Yes and by those exact same rules Obama was the presumptive nominee on June 3 VIA SUPERDELEGATES.

Obama couldn't win the nomination with pledged delegates alone. But nobody waited until the convention vote on August 27 to consider him the winner.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:09 AM

33. Wanna bet? Just cause Sanders is yelling at all of us does not mean we have to listen.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:09 AM

35. Another hillaryite that does not care about the rules of the democratic party.

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Response to jillan (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:15 AM

39. Seriously? This from the group that wants to deny voters choice? I cannot believe there

 

really is even any grown up throwing a fit about this, let alone your "leader".

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:29 AM

41. Isn't Bernie cute. He actually thinks Hillary will play by the rules. nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:05 AM

48. No, Bernie thinks he can change the rules of the game late in the 4th quarter.

These are the same rules as in 08. When Obama reached a majority on June 3, he needed superdelegates to get over the top. He was announced by all the media outlets as the presumptive nominee at that point. Nobody said he had to wait until the convention vote on August 27 before he could be considered the winner.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:05 AM

47. True and false, respectively

The election finishes on the 14th, in DC. However, Clinton will be able to declare victory on the 7th, probably before the votes have even finished being counted; all that will be left is to determine the margin of victory.

Whether the Democratic primary is technically "contested" is, of course, up to Sanders, but if it is, it will be a contest whose outcome is forordained.

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Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:26 AM

50. If she doesn't have 2383 pledged delegates, then she has not won.

 

She wants to be the "presumptuous" nominee?

No, she'll have to play by the rules.

The superdelegates vote on July 25. Then we'll know who the nominee is.

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Response to senz (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:34 AM

52. Bingo! +1. This primary will be decided on the convention floor.

 

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Response to senz (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:13 AM

59. You're right. Cased Closed. Let the Hillaryites complain and whine. We can count.

 


And they are trying to count chickens before they hatch!

Not a smart thing to do.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:32 AM

51. im sorry

this is better.....................
for the difficult Sanderscience

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:35 AM

53. Yes you are.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:42 AM

55. I get the math

heres some

57 delegates. needed
June 7............AP will call it, shes the presumptive nominee
June 14........... D.C votes last place..will go for Hillary
June 16............ DU returns to Trump as the Target

Use above device for any additional questions.



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Response to MFM008 (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:58 AM

56. The math

 

As of 5/31/16, Hillary Clinton had 1770 pledged delegates and Bernie Sanders had 1500 pledged delegates.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

Hillary needs 613 more delegates to reach 2383. There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries: Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Because the candidates' totals are so close, it is extremely unlikely that either candidate can reach 2383 pledged delegates from the primaries alone.

The remainder will have to be supplied by superdelegates. The superdelegates do not vote until July 25.

Therefore, we will not have a nominee until the superdelegates vote on July 25th.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:37 AM

54. Yeah old white guys are always telling women

 

it's not your place to speak.


It's over. DU Bernie diehards are the last Japanese soldiers.

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:31 AM

60. Wall Street appears to be her favorite venue to speak at! A quarter of a million bucks a crack!

 

In 60 minutes she makes as much money from her Wall Street pals as five working class people do an entire year!

And she's going to represent working folks like us on DU if she wins the nomination and somehow becomes President.
If she wins, Clinton can go back to Wall Street for their victory parade!

No ticker tape parade. They could shower Clinton with money and she doesn't even have to give them a victory speech!





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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #60)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:42 AM

61. Yeah we get it

 

I'm sure it means nothing to you that millions of middle class Americans have their futures invested on Wall Street. Or that traders and bankers are also American citizens. I'm sure you live a monastically pure ascetic life of pious Marxist purity.

It's over. But keep on whining.

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:34 PM

62. It's clear you really don't come close to getting it. Hence your need for personal attacks.

 


I almost feel sorry for you.

mmmmmmm

No I don't!

"that traders and bankers are also American citizens"

Right.

Corporations are people too with free speech rights.

Is that a conservative Republican talking point that's been embraced by "moderate centrist" Democrats?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:11 PM

63. Sanders is dead wrong because every other contested democratic primary has been called based on SD

In every past contested Democratic primary, the presumptive winner was announced by the press based on super delegates. President Obama was correct in making this call and it will be appropriate for Hillayr Clinton to also make this call


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History is a good thing and Sanders does not get special treatment that is different from all past contested democratic primaries

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:18 PM

64. Sanders can claim it isn't over but he will mostly be ignored.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:40 PM

65. Hillary Clinton has not won 2,383 pledged delegates. She is not the nominee. Period.

 

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