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Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:39 PM

 

The General Election Won't Start Until the Democratic Party decides who to run for President.

The GE doesn't begin until the Democratic Party decides who it wants to run for President and Vice-President.

That's up in the air since neither Hillary nor Bernie can win the 2,383 pledged delegates they need to secure the nomination before the convention.

It will be a contested convention.

Any nonsense about a "presumed" Democratic nominee in the mass corporate media is pure bull shit and need not be repeated here.

Pledged delegate counts are facts and the facts prove Hillary Clinton will not become the nominee before the convention.

She might be elected the nominee at the convention and so might Bernie, but not before it!

CASE CLOSED.

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Reply The General Election Won't Start Until the Democratic Party decides who to run for President. (Original post)
imagine2015 Jun 2016 OP
hack89 Jun 2016 #1
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #7
hack89 Jun 2016 #10
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #16
hack89 Jun 2016 #24
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #33
StevieM Jun 2016 #37
hack89 Jun 2016 #41
k8conant Jun 2016 #29
StevieM Jun 2016 #36
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #43
StevieM Jun 2016 #44
StevieM Jun 2016 #45
Bleacher Creature Jun 2016 #2
auntpurl Jun 2016 #3
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #9
auntpurl Jun 2016 #17
Fawke Em Jun 2016 #20
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #34
mythology Jun 2016 #39
LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #4
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #12
LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #18
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #19
LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #28
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #35
LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #38
ucrdem Jun 2016 #5
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #21
brooklynite Jun 2016 #6
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #22
YouDig Jun 2016 #8
seabeyond Jun 2016 #11
ucrdem Jun 2016 #14
Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #13
qdouble Jun 2016 #15
imagine2015 Jun 2016 #23
qdouble Jun 2016 #27
Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #25
firebrand80 Jun 2016 #26
Sheepshank Jun 2016 #30
LonePirate Jun 2016 #31
pdsimdars Jun 2016 #32
StevieM Jun 2016 #40
peggysue2 Jun 2016 #42

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:41 PM

1. Remind us what happened in 2008

And every other Dem presidential nomination race since 1984. Give us some historical context.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:56 PM

7. This is not 2008, or 2004, or 1934, or 1952.

 


But, it is interesting to note that over 200 superdelegates pledged to Hillary Clinton abandoned her and voted for Obama at the convention.

Is that the interesting fact you wanted to point out?

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:03 PM

10. Yes. Hillary conceded and released her delegates

The SDs switched to the nominee with the most pledged delegates like every preceeding primary. The SDs have never given the nomination to the runner up - correct?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:07 PM

16. After Obama agreed to raise money to pay off her campaign debts.

 


Did you forget about that little factoid?

LOL

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:24 PM

24. Please answer a simple question

since super delegates were created, has there ever been a primary where the party waited until the convention to crown a presumptive nominee? Isn't what will happen in two weeks exactly what happened every other time?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:42 PM

33. You expect Hillary Clinton to be "crowned"??? I didn't know it was a coronation.

 


What contested convention are you comparing it to?

In 2008 Obama secured 2,118 pledged delegates needed to clinch the nomination after primaries in South Dakota and Montana.

Hillary can't and won't secure enough pledged delegates to win the nomination.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:48 PM

37. Barack Obama finished the race hundreds of pledged delegates shy of what he needed

to secure the nomination.

Hillary's lead over Bernie is wider than Obama's lead over Hillary was.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:01 PM

41. Obama needed super delegates to win

his pledged delegate lead over Hillary was a third of Hillary's lead over Bernie.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:37 PM

29. And this time Bernie doesn't have campaign debts to pay off

although Hillary may.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:46 PM

36. Obama did not do much to help her pay her campaign debts.

It took her years to pay it off.

And it is pretty common for a winning candidate to help their former opponents to retire their campaign debts.

The claim that Hillary needed to be offered assistance in order to procure her withdrawal is unfounded and inaccurate. And it is horribly unfair to a woman who did more to help her former opponent than any other primary challenger in American history.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:44 PM

43. Do you have a link to verify the following? Hillary "did more to help her former opponent than any

 

other primary challenger in American history.

Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't.

Do you think she will do as much to help Bernie in the General Election?

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:49 PM

44. Fair enough. I'm giving you my assessment based on what I have heard about previous

races and how hard I know Hillary campaigned for Obama.

I don't think she will have the opportunity to help Bernie in the GE since the best evidence is that she will be the PD winner and therefore the nominee.

But if Bernie had defeated her, then yes, I think she would have done everything possible to help him win the presidency.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:53 PM

45. Also, I still remember at the Democratic Convention when Arkansas united, at Hillary's request,

and gave all their delegates to Obama.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:42 PM

2. This is really just spam at this point.

Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it less accurate.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:45 PM

3. The owner of this website disagrees with you

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:02 PM

9. I'm not so sure he agrees with the corporate media on this matter. I hope not but don't know.

 


Because their claims are not based on facts.

Hillary has not been selected as the Democratic presidential candidate.

That's because she doesn't have enough pledged delegate support to clinch the nomination and may not even obtain enough additional superdelegates votes at the convention to put her over the top.

We won't know until the convention is held and all of the delegates cast their votes.

That's just a fact of life which I'm certain Skinner understands and agrees with. But, you can ask him and see if he responds.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:11 PM

17. I don't need to ask him.

He has stated outright GE season begins on DU on 16 June. You can privately believe whatever you wish. But on DU, the presumptive nominee will be Hillary and all the GE seasons rules that go along with that idea go into effect.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:18 PM

20. And it will become a ghost town in a bubble.

Kind of like Chernobyl under glass.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:43 PM

34. Are you writing on behalf of the adminstrators? I believe they can respond without your "help".

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:56 PM

39. The admins have responded and said as of June 16th,

 

DU will be in general election mode because the nominee will be clear. You maintaining that he's wrong will no more change his mind than my assessment that the outcome of the race has been clear since the middle of March.

But given that your original post (and all the similar ones you've posted previously indicates that you seem to have an issue with Skinner's announcement. Perhaps you should direct your request/admonition to him directly as this is really just complain about DU's rules as far as I can tell.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:50 PM

4. History begs to differ

God it must piss you people off every day to see Hillary going after Trump and ignoring Sanders. HOW DARE SHE?!?!?!

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Response to LoverOfLiberty (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:04 PM

12. I'm glad she's going after Trump. So what is she doing in California for five days? Is Trump there?

 

Hillary campaigning against Bernie?

Naw!

Not in your life. It's all about Trump!

Really!

Sure!

Course it is.

LOL

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:12 PM

18. Of course she's in CA to win the primary there

because Sanders has been attacking her and the party for several weeks now unanswered and of course its taking its toll.

Hillary will win with or without CA. Why it is so important to Sanders is a mystery to me. He cannot win without CA and he cannot win with CA.

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Response to LoverOfLiberty (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:17 PM

19. "Hillary will win with or without CA." Based upon what? She won't have enough pledged delegates

 


Period.

She can only win the nomination if several hundred superdelegates decide at the convention to vote for her.

They may not.

It's hardly a sure thing.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:30 PM

28. You are being intellectually dishonest and you know it

You pin your hopes on a scenario that will never happen. Loyal Democrats will never overturn the will of the people just because Sanders is convinced he is a better candidate against Trump.

And you know it.

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Response to LoverOfLiberty (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:45 PM

35. The people don't want big business and Wall Street running the government. What about that will?

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:53 PM

38. The people have decided

and it won't be Sanders

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:51 PM

5. Yes the superdelegates MIGHT vote for Tinkerbell.

So there's that.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:19 PM

21. Tinkerbell is at least honest and trustworthy! Might have a better chance against Trump seeing ...

 


that Hillary has little or no chance to beat Trump.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:54 PM

6. Why do you care?

After June 14, the voters will have spoken. The only decision to be made will be by the Superdelegates. If you're suggesting that they'll be influenced by the fact that the media, and pundits, and political leaders and VOTERS all consider Clinton to be the nominee, it sounds like you don't have a lot of respect for them.

In the meantime, here's a idea: Maybe Bernie Sanders could campaign against Donald Trump. Maybe make a serious policy speech. Show what kind of candidate he'll be.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:20 PM

22. He talks about Trump all the time. Perhaps you should read his speeches. Might learn something!

 


Hillary's surrogates attack Bernie all the time. Wish they would say more about Trump.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:57 PM

8. In that case the general election started about a month ago.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:03 PM

11. We did.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:06 PM

14. LOL.

Team Bernie is out of its league here.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:05 PM

13. It's ridiculous that this even needs to be stated.

And any comparisons to years past should include the name of the person who was under active FBI investigation at the time of becoming "presumptive nominee".

This nonsense is just one more illegitimate advantage grabbed by that side, among a long list of the same during this Primary.

If it continues on through to nominating her, the whole mess will be invalid from start to finish.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:06 PM

15. What a despicable bunch of characters some BS supporters are becoming.

After the people have voted and it's clear that Hillary is the presumptive nominee, they want to scream down the establishment and try to steal the nomination from Hillary by convincing super-delegates (the same people that they supposedly hate). Not only do they want to continue this anti-democratic behavior, but they want to bitch and moan that they can't use this site as a platform to turn the party against itself.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:23 PM

23. Hillary doesn't and won't have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. Case Closed.

 


Scream and holler all you want but that doesn't change the delegate math.

It will be a contested convention.

Period.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:27 PM

27. The super delegates will announce who they will vote for way before the convention.

Do you think that hundreds of them will be lying about voting for Hillary and magically switch to Bernie at the last minute?

Also, why do you support stealing the nomination from the candidate with the most votes and pledged delegates?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:26 PM

25. General Election season starts on June 15th

on Democratic Underground.

CASE CLOSED.

Mark your calendar!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:26 PM

26. I can't argue with all caps nt

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:39 PM

30. It's already started, darlin'

 

Unfortunately she is currently required to fight both Primary and GE battle simultaneously. lucky for her, she can multitask

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:56 PM

31. Oh brother, not this nonsense once again.

The shellshock and disbelief are going to be massive when Bernie concedes by June 17.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:02 PM

32. Here's the actual process.

 

If a Democratic primary candidate can win 59 percent of the Party’s “pledged” (primary- and caucus-won) delegates or more, the primary is decided by pledged delegates; if a Democratic primary candidate fails to meet that threshold, they are considered by DNC electoral processes to be a weak front-runner and the nomination is finally decided, instead, by “superdelegates” — who can express support for a candidate at any time, but cannot commit themselves to anyone (i.e., cast a binding vote for any candidate) until the Democratic National Convention in July; superdelegates are unlike pledged delegates in this regard because, while pledged delegates also do not vote until the Party’s convention, they cannot change their votes from what their state’s voting results pledged them to be — though it has been argued by some that in fact they can change their votes at the Convention, with this argument most recently having been advanced by Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.



All you have to do is be able to read with comprehension and it should be patently obvious that there will NOT be a Democratic nominee BEFORE the JULY convention. Any other assumption is base on NONSENSE.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:58 PM

40. In 2008 Barack Obama was declared the presumptive nominee when he won a majority

of pledged delegates and received enough commitments from super delegates to ensure a majority of all delegates to the Democratic Convention.

Hillary had to decide if she would try to wrest the nomination from the presumptive nominee by staying in through the convention. It took less than 24 hours for her to release word that she would be suspending her campaign. The formal announcement, and endorsement of Obama, took place three days later.

When Hillary is recognized at the presumptive nominee on June 7 (except by Fox News) it will be consistent with what happened in 2008 when Barack Obama was recognized as the presumptive nominee.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:01 PM

42. Case Closed

You're right, the case is closed, has been for months. Hillary Clinton will be the nominee for the Democratic Party.

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