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Tue May 31, 2016, 04:33 PM

 

Pro-Bernie Sanders posts to be banned on DU before Democratic Party has a candidate for President?

I hope not.

So is June 16th the "magical date" when pro-Bernie Sanders democrats and independents will be prohibited from presenting their views and news on Democratic Underground? That's what Hillary Clinton DU supporters have been joyfully claiming and gloating about for weeks now! How do they know in advance what DU administrators have planned? Maybe they had a look at some e-mails not shared with most DU members. I don't know.

So I have to ask, is the June 7th cutoff date based on e-mails received from top Democratic Party officials such as Debbie Wasserman Schultz or something else such as political opposition to Bernie Sanders or personal political support for Hillary Clinton's nomination by DU administrators?

In any case, everyone knows the General Election doesn't really begin until the two major party candidates have been decided at their respective conventions.

Hillary Clinton simply does not and can not have a sufficient number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination before the convention takes place. And secondly over 160 unpledged superdelegates have not indicated a preference for the nomination and the balance of superdelegates remain unpledged and they are free to vote for a candidate other than the one they have indicated a preference for. They are "free agents" at the national convention. And there is a very good chance that collectively the convention delegates won't elect Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders as their presidential candidate. Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders on selecting Joseph Biden and others for the Democratic Party presidential ticket.

Only one thing can be accomplished by prohibiting pro-Bernie Sanders posts on DU before the convention. And that is to make DU a Hillary Clinton convention tool that will only serve to weaken Bernie Sanders and his supporters at the convention.

If that's what DU adminstrators want, they have a right to turn DU into an anti-Bernie Sanders discussion board.

That would mean that most posters will have to organize or find a democratic discussion board to permits free debate and discussion before the candidates have been selected for the General Election.

I urge DU Administrators to not ban posts by supporters of Bernie Sanders that criticize Hillary Clinton's policies until after the Democratic Party has selected their presidential candidate.

That seems like a completely fair and democratic proposal to me.

Isn't it?

I look forward to receiving a frank and positive response to my proposal


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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:35 PM

1. Pro-Bernie posts will be allowed

 

Anti-Hillary posts will not be.

Post accordingly.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:37 PM

3. And if Bernie says or writes something critical of Clinton will that be allowed?

 

If it's done before the convention decides who to run for President?

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #3)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:44 PM

16. Nope.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #16)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:42 PM

91. And if Hill supporter says or writes something critical of Bernie will that be allowed?

 

They are suppose to be focusing on Trump after that date.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #91)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:57 PM

113. We will be onto beating the LUNATIC FrankenTrump which is ALL that will matter. Move on please.

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #113)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:35 AM

203. Yeah I'll bet

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #113)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:56 PM

277. Did they give you a stick and a whistle yet, RB? Sounds that way.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #91)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:56 PM

181. He isn't the nominee. Random Democrats and others get criticized all the time here.

This isn't hard to figure out. It's not like it's MATH or anything.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #91)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:28 AM

198. funny how the pest hole discussionist can do what it wants but this

place is closing down before the process is over. I don't know which one is sadder.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #3)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:38 PM

85. That kind of question should be in ATA because only Skinner knows the answer.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #3)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:43 PM

177. Why would he even think of doing that when Democrats need to beat Trump???

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:46 PM

21. Really? Did you buy DU, mein fuhrer?

 

No dissent will be tolerated?


A safe zone for the Clinton crew?


I suppose I'll kiss DU goodbye if that's the case.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:59 PM

38. I was wondering that too... eom

 

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Response to tabasco (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:36 PM

80. Same thing happened to Hillary supporters in 2008.

 

We found or made new homes.
You can do the same.

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #80)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:12 PM

128. Well done outing yourself. Who were you before?

 

Cause according to your profile you're "new" here (and with 4 hides already too)

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #128)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:05 AM

197. heh, thanks. One wonders.

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #80)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:39 PM

253. Oh here's a PUMA that's proud of it. And PUMA stands for Party Unity My ASS.

And yet Bernie supporters are somehow casting shade on Hillary? Hillary supporters were the worst in 2008 and they are adding to their infamy in 2016.

Trump and Hillary -- NEVER. People who want to beat Trump should pray that Bernie get the nomination. It's the only chance we have.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:55 PM

109. They want a safe space like college students

 



Next we will have to send them gluten free coodies, I suspect time stories on the email sage will lead to bannings too, This has happened in the past, 2004 and 2008 to be specific.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #109)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:46 PM

155. Way to make fun of fellow progressives

Who eat healthy due to allergies and respect others.

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Response to metroins (Reply #155)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:38 PM

187. As a matter of fact I am eating gluten free bread

 

right now, since I do have those allergies... so it is quite self efacing humor, Not that I expect you to get that

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #187)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:49 PM

188. Why don't you expect me to get that?

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Response to metroins (Reply #188)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:53 PM

189. I just don't anymore

 

I am glad it is not celiacs, yes we tested.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #189)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:55 PM

191. My wife's is Celiac

She had the egd and biopsy in her teens. She is also dairy free, but not lactose intolerant.

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Response to metroins (Reply #191)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:28 AM

194. It is quite self efacing.

 

It is not so bad that I cannot eat out, but it is bad enough that if I get gross cross contamination I am out for the day

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #194)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:51 PM

257. I tested negative for celiac, but am highly allergic to wheat.

 

Some restaurants have gluten-free menus, but they do warn of cross-contamination. Sometimes it's a royal pain when invited for dinner at someone's home.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #109)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:57 PM

161. Gluten free coodies...



Sid

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #109)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:07 PM

243. "gluten free coodies": lol at that imagery

I'm thinking Sesame Street characters (for some reason) because of the typo, so I enjoyed it.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #243)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:08 PM

244. Good, my typiing has been going down hill

 

I think I need to seriously talk to the doctor about that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #244)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:17 PM

246. Maybe it's just that your powers of observation are improving?

My sister was once briefly an editor for Omni magazine. She shared with me a piece the legendary Isaac Asimov quickly rattled off for an even quicker check. Have no fear for what you're submitting!

Though you did misspell typing. Ha!

More seriously, because of course your writing is very important to you, think about investing in a good mechanical keyboard. (like the ones IBM used to make) These newer "chiclet" style ones making hitting the wrong key much easier to do.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/240939/mechanical_keyboards_should_you_switch_.html

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #246)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:20 PM

247. I might look into it

 

using a macbook, and they do feel odd.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:39 PM

136. Ok

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:00 PM

39. So, are people just going to ignore all the negatives things that come out about Hillary?

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Response to Loudestlib (Reply #39)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:13 PM

58. Jesus fucking christ

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Response to Actor (Reply #58)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:57 PM

162. Stay in that bubble!

 

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Response to Actor (Reply #58)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:02 PM

169. God fucking damn

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:13 PM

56. well, THAT will certainly cramp the style of the Repugnants "for" Bernie!! LOL!!


With only positive pro-Bernie posts, the number of posts from alleged Bernie supporters would drop off about 97%!!!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 PM

93. Well that's a load of crap.

 

I guess I'll have to find some other forum because that is completely undemocratic.

Sorry....your ad revenue from click counts will diminish a bit.....

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Response to seekthetruth (Reply #93)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:04 PM

125. According to Skinner, just viewing an ad on DU-as in it simply appearing on your screen

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)

brings in revenue for him.

www.JackpineRadicals.org, a website for Bernie supporters is making it's forum site more user friendly. It will surely get a boatload of new members soon.

edited web address

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #125)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:29 PM

174. Great....thanks for the tip!

 

Sorry DU....all of my progressive friends will hear about this site. BTW, it's jackpineradicals.org - not .com

For what it's worth, I hope this other site gets plenty of traffic.....!

DU is for the Democratic Sucker Party.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:55 PM

139. Even if she is indicted?

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #139)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:09 PM

142. Keep hoping for the indictment fairy if it makes you feel better. nt

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #142)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:10 PM

143. It's a possibility given she is under active FBI investigation

 

So you don't want to discuss that possibility? I understand!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #142)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:58 AM

231. Keep acting like it's nothing that she has done. Because that is just head in the sand time.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:00 AM

209. A lot of people are taking it upon themselves to speak for admin, here, aren't they.

....having been through several primary cycles here, my two non-official pieces of advice to you are-

One, to not get too prematurely excited. You probably arent going to find all the banned long-time members under the xmas tree that you think you will.

And two, to not take it upon yourself to speak for the people who, unlike you, actually do run this place.



My gut feeling is, they don't much appreciate that.

you know, though, "post accordingly", lol

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:23 PM

249. As a Bernie supporter, I'm fine with that

We have a really great candidate, and yet you wouldn't know it from some of his supporters here. For every pro-Bernie post I see at least 3 anti-Hillary posts and it's frustrating. Bernie is a unique and inspiring candidate and has a great message that I think gets lost here when people on our side litter the forum with anti-Hillary threads, especially the crap from right wing sources, much of which is a rerun of right wing crap from 20 years ago.

That said, I would like to know what exactly constitutes "anti-Hillary". I remember 8 years ago constructive criticism of Obama was allowed even after the switch.

For example, will it be okay to say that she is not handling the e-mail issue well, and to point out that her tendency to be secretive has hurt her a lot over the years because it makes it look like she has something to hide when she probably doesn't? Is it okay to express concern about her views on foreign policy and military engagements?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:36 PM

2. Pro-Bernie posts will never be banned on DU.

 

Ever. But pro-Bernie =/= anti-Hillary. I'm pro-Bernie. I'm also pro-Hillary. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:45 PM

18. +1

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:14 PM

59. Yup.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:38 PM

86. +1

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:42 PM

92. No one will be banned. It means the primary season is over

advocation for third party runs or continuing the campaign against the presumptive nominee may result in an undesired result though

If someone does not want to support the presumptive Democratic nominee, as long as they keep that to themselves there will be no issues

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Response to still_one (Reply #92)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:03 PM

183. The presumptive nominee is NOT the nominee

In a race like this where neither candidate can win enough pledged delegates to automatically become the nominee before the convention, the race is still active until the opposition concedes to the media-declared "presumptive" nominee.

Bernie is not going to concede, so it would be totally unfair to Bernie supporters to stop the primary race here and switch to GE.



Any night that you have a primary or caucus, and the media lumps the superdelegates in, that they basically polled by calling them up and saying who are you supporting, they don't vote until the convention, and so they shouldn't be included in any count."

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #183)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:57 AM

221. I agree.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #183)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:21 AM

227. I agree. And posts before the convention pointing out why Bernie is a better nominee

Should definitely be allowed unless and until a) Bernie concedes or b) the nomination process is complete

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #227)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:06 PM

238. Unfortunately,

Skinner has decided the nominee is decided by majority pledged delegates, after the final primary, even if the opposition has "not" conceded. I don't think that is fair (no matter which candidate it is), but it's his ball game here.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #238)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:43 PM

256. Not only is it not fair, it isn't accurate.

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Response to still_one (Reply #92)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:10 AM

233. And if criminal or other serious matters come up with the presumptive nominee we are

not to speak of it. I am talking about absolute problems with the candidate and anyone (except some with their heads possibly in the sand) would be very concerned about the candidate. The candidate that would be running to be the most powerful person in the world and representing ALL of us in the United States.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:38 PM

4. Please point to evidence that "Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders"

Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders on selecting Joseph Biden and others for the Democratic Party presidential ticket.


Anonymous blog posts don't count.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:40 PM

6. That'll be a long wait, I suspect... nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #6)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 PM

94. Something like this, I imagine.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #94)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:49 PM

103. LOL! nt

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:49 AM

208. Keep your ear to the ground for the next few weeks,

If they are, not one would admit it. The only way you could tell is by looking at public strategy changes over the next few weeks.

If they are making backup plans, you'll see things like:
* Party leaders saying the primaries are still in process and nothing is finalized until the convention, then they're priming expectations so you're not as surprised in July.

and

* Various mainstream news editorials talking about 'alternative options' and names like Biden or Elizabeth Warren pop up. Trial balloons to gauge potential support.



If I had to bet, I'd say the 'clinched nomination' bell gets loudly rung after the California primaries, but has little effect to the Sanders people and in the end gets very little traction. If that happens, June 10th-14th will be when the above starts to play out.


I'm not saying it's going to happen, but you asked for evidence, so this is the evidence to look out for.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:39 PM

5. Pro-Bernie posts are welcome. You just can't attack the presumptive Dem nominee.

It shouldn't be that different for you.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:43 PM

12. I agree with you -- this has always been my understanding during election season

One cannot undermine the official Democrat nominee or advocate for a third party. It is pretty simple really.

Sam

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:44 PM

15. I don't presume the conventions will select Hillary. She doesn't have enough pledged votes.

 


Bernie Sanders says that will not be decided until the convention delegates meet and vote.

That's why he will be campaigning from now until the convention delegates vote.

He's not suspending his campaign and he shouldn't.

He can and I think will win the nomination.

The superdelegates will decide to select someone who can beat Trump and since Hillary can't I think they will vote for Bernie.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #15)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:45 PM

19. All well and good. Just don't attack Hillary here on DU and you won't have any problems.

you can still post about Bernie and his campaign.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:20 PM

248. The question is: How about anti-Bernie posts? Will they be allowed?

Neither candidate will have the required pledged delegates, so they both have the potential to be the nominee.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #248)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:37 PM

252. If the smug HRC supporters are so certain that she has it locked up,

why are they continuing anti-Bernie posts? They are driving voters away from HRC. By the boatload.
I suspect some of the recent influx of HRC supporters will leave when their checks stop.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #248)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:25 PM

260. Skinner says no.

No more attacking Dems.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #15)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:09 PM

48. Doesn't matter what Sanders says

When Hillary has the majority of pledged delegates, as was the case in 2008, she will be the presumed nominee.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #15)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:11 PM

50. You have a very active imagination.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:49 PM

23. but she's a presumptive felon too.

Doesn't that change things a little?

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:51 PM

27. It simply means you will go away if you cannot constrain yourself.

why not simply post positive things about Bernie and leave it at that?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #27)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:56 PM

32. we are to ignore facts about one of the candidates?

Investigations, reports, analysis?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #32)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:59 PM

37. You can certainly walk that line if you wish by keeping things factual and unemotional.

I have a hard time imagining that the most rabid Hillary haters will be able to pull it off - the venom will leak through into their posts. They can't help themselves.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:03 AM

266. No, that won't work.


Any observer of any post on this site has tacit (although never explicitly stated) permission to read any emotional overtone they wish into any text and claim that that subtext is the primary message. This is completely obvious to anyone reading the site.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:40 PM

254. Positive post about Bernie:

He's not under FBI investigation.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #254)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:11 PM

263. That's nice. And irrelevent. nt

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:11 PM

51. Presumptive?

And you know this how?

Either way, it's all right here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910474

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:40 PM

89. Felon?

 

I can hardly wait for the last election to fall.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:45 PM

96. And here I thought it was presumed innocent until proven guilty.

 

My mistake.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:56 PM

112. Not one of those things matters to these folksq

 

this is a really mature scandal, They want a bunker, let them have it.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #112)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:02 PM

279. Yes, it's the bunker mentality...where have we seen this before??? nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:02 PM

41. How about

 

"Bernie wouldn't have had this problem" or "told you so." Will those be all right?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #41)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:04 PM

43. Don't be an ass about it would be my recommendation

if you start racking up the hides then you might consider toning it down. It will be a learning experience for all of us.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:40 AM

204. I think that advice needs to be pointed in a different direction.

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #204)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:00 AM

218. I think we all need to tone it down

There is plenty of snark and vitriol from both sides. It is what happens when everyone gives up the pretense of intellectual discussion and jumps in the mosh pit instead.

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Tue May 31, 2016, 05:58 PM

114. Then DU will support him.

It is not complicated

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Response to Name removed (Reply #120)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:03 PM

124. The purpose of DU is to support Democrats

this year the goal is to put a Dem in the White House. Why wouldn't we support Sanders? Who else are we going to support?

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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:25 AM

202. Makes total sense, if you haven't been paying attention to current news.

 

Or know the rules of the Democratic Party nominating process.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:50 PM

104. What exactly is "attack"? Is it any mention of her weakness, poor decisions history? Is mentioning

Criminal investigations and attack?

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #104)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM

117. Ask Skinner. nt

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #104)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:54 PM

138. I would assume so.

Certainly, if I were to describe you as being weak and having a history of poor decisions, I suspect that you would feel attacked, and while mentioning her emails isn't *necessarily* an attack on her, I've seen very few posts on the subject by Sanders supporters on DU that weren't.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #138)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:52 PM

180. Just to be clear it is your opinion that mentioning true facts in regard to HRC is attacking her.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #180)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:25 PM

186. It always has been that way

True facts have always = attacks here. It looks like business as usual except now they get to turf the Bernie people.

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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:12 AM

213. Well aren't you special

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #180)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:09 PM

234. It can be.

Hitler was a strong leader who rebuilt Germany's shattered military, reduced unemployment and build good roads.

There are more true facts out there than anyone could list in a lifetime.

"It's just true facts" is not always a sufficient defence if those facts are selectively chosen to create a misleading impression.


I think that it's very sensible that the rule is "no attacks on the nominee" rather than "no attacks on the nominee, unless you genuinely believe they're true, in which case go ahead and launch them".

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM

7. That's how it sounds and for added fun we Sanders supporters

have to "get it out of our systems " IMO that's rather condescending

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910474#post1

After the primaries on June 7 (California, New Jersey, etc.)...

...we will announce that the primaries are nearing an end, and members will have one more week to "get it out of their systems".

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:46 PM

20. I noticed that dismissive phrase too

 

I can understand how the admins might get a little cynical at the sniping we engage in here in the groundlings ring.

But many of us take the larger implications that the primary represents very seriously. And that transcends the Bernie v. Hillary round of the ongoing debate over who what what the Democratic Party represents.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:10 PM

49. I found that to be kind considering.

I've only been here a short time and the vitriol towards Clinton is so vicious and hateful, I'm not sure how these folks will "get it out of their systems," but I applaud the admins for being as patient as they've been.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #49)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:14 PM

147. what does it say about a candidate when pointing out their record is called vitriol?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #147)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:11 PM

171. Right.

Not only is the perspective of many of you on her record about as skewed as it gets, the tone many of you take when you present it is hateful as it gets. All one has to do is visit that JimJonesRadicals site to see what many of you think unfettered by a jury system. It's scary as hell.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #171)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:20 AM

200. skewed as opposed to sugar coated ? and when it comes to hateful tone .......

the difference between JackPineRadical and Hillary for America (a site started by DUers) is openness everything done and said @ HfA is secret and dark whereas JPR is open and anyone can access their site and view it

why is that?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #200)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:05 AM

210. I have never seen Hillary for America.

I can't imagine I'd want to if it's got the same cult of personality vibe that Jacked Up Radical has. I know this is her for some here to understand, but what I find so annoying about the Bernie movement, I would find just as annoying if her people were that way but they seem much more grounded.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #210)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:06 AM

211. well Google can be your friend

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #211)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:06 AM

212. Or my enemy.

There are some things I'm just better off not knowing about.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #210)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:52 AM

268. perhaps you'd be interested in visiting jackassradicals

 

seeing as you find it "funny" to mock the site's name.

This knockoff site will give you a clue to the mentality of the hillary site mentionedabove, without actually having to google for it.

http://jackassradicals.com/main

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:12 PM

53. they're so worried about Trump that they'll run the weaker candidate against him

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Response to MisterP (Reply #53)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:48 PM

100. The weaker candidate is the one currently losing the primary. nt

 

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Response to MisterP (Reply #53)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:04 AM

267. No matter how many times their prediction models fail...


It's the system that's misbehaving, not the models...

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Response to sibelian (Reply #267)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:34 AM

270. that was literally their approach to the 2010, '12, and '14 elections: "our campaigning was PERFECT

it's not our fault the voters didn't go for it!"
that's been their approach: to purge, exclude, cull, prune, garden, and otherwise engineer the electorate to keep voting for people who'll make sure the gravy train keeps going: winning seats is secondary to this

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Response to MisterP (Reply #270)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:25 PM

272. It's............ BIZARRE. BIZARRE. It's the WEIRDEST political system in the world.


There's nothing like it anywhere else on the planet. It's BARKING FUCKING MAD.

Is there any other human system anywhere in the world where a model for explaining human behaviour fails repeatedly and somehow it's the fault of the people it's trying to model? WHAAAT the FUUUUUUCK? What's happened inside their heads? What's happening to their BRAINS? Has some kind of weird alien virus got in?

WHO arrives at conclusions like this? What do they think ordinary people ARE?

"HI EVERYONE! We've decided to construct our behaviour in a way that is TOTALLY all about giving ourselves maximal leverage over you without your having any say in the matter whatsoever and if you don't like it, well there's pretty obviously something VERY weird about YOU!!! MY GOODNESS, what strange emotional reactions you have to everything!"

I cannot understand how they've managed to end up like this. They go off and invent whatever heroic fantasies they need to (featuring themselves as protagonists) to make them feel good about themselves, populating said fantasies with the rest of us as secondary characters and open their mouths and start talking as if it's all to be taken as read. Then they blink and fluster when real people turn out not to be things on the inside of their heads. And then they get angry! They start throwing toys out of the pram because it's "not fair"!

I think we're dealing with levels of emotional underdevelopment that can't be mitigated against. They've placed so much emotional investment in being able to outsmart people that they're supposed to be cooperating with that they can't be communicated with any more.

I don't see a way of recovering it.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #272)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:33 PM

273. it's got a lot of parts: 1. blaming the voters is just easy, especially when you see

them as flipping easily to Pubs rather than disaffected because what 70-90% of the country wants has been blocked
2. they are all certain that they're lefties and progressives--in fact the leftmost fringe possible under the current system; now there's some people who gave up on the party and want to take it back after being indies? nuh-uh
2a. any attacks on them are either originated in the GOP or, by weakening the party, serve the GOP's purposes
3. they're also "pragmatic": they "get things done" while the critics can never be satisfied--why appeal to them?
3a. that's also why they are so close to the megadonors, since you can't win without their millions--
3b. --ironically erasing a lot of the DNC's need to win since the amounts are the same regardless of what happens in the provinces ...
3c. ... so they can punt on a few elections if it'd mean winning with a Dem who'd upset the gravy train

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Response to MisterP (Reply #273)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:50 PM

275. EXACTLY, it's not a political ideology at all, it's just a bunch of DEBATING TACTICS


It's a bunch of debating tactics that have emerged reflexively through previous lost battles instead of establishing a functional ideology through any observation of realpolitik, it's completely eclipsed anything that resembles a desire to relate cause to effect prosaically.

The most profoundly head-cracking thing about it is that they absorb wholesale the assumptions they need to make the debating tactics look reasonable to themselves AS IF THEY ARRIVED AT THEM THROUGH AN ANALYSIS OF EXTERNAL REALITY even when said assumptions contradict each other.

"Excuse me? Sir? Did you notice that thing you just did where you completely re-wrote what you believe just so you get to carry on arguing with your opponent, sir? Uh, sir? Sir? The irony of your implied insistence on principle is lost on no-one but you."
blaming the voters is just easy, especially when you see
I'll go through your stuff

Your list is excellent. I'd add:

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:12 PM

145. It's no different that what we Hillary supporters had to do in 2008.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #145)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:17 PM

148. it's different Hillary conceded she had enormous campaign debt that Obama agreed to pay off for her

and she was awarded the SoS position

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:15 PM

172. That exact same wording was used after the 2008 primary voting ended. n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:59 AM

265. I don't call it condescension, I call it bigotry.


"BernieBros", ffs...

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:05 PM

280. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM

8. If it comes to pass

can anyone tell me in what positive way I can report that Clinton has been indicted?

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:58 PM

35. Say the weather that day was nice.

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM

118. I won't

 

if they want a bunker, let them have it. (Though the place will be fun to watch, like Free Republic, for the same reasons actually)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #118)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:07 PM

126. Leaving again, are you?

Makes sense I suppose, since you say you're not a Democrat and constantly tell us how much you hate this place.
Oh well, DU will try to soldier on...


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Response to zappaman (Reply #126)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:00 PM

167. Her loss will be devastating to me!!!!!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #118)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:47 PM

156. It will be pleasant for us. We will work to defete Trump.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM

9. You do know there are options for those who stand up

To hypocrisy, right?

They have plans and are gathering resources as we speak.

There is also this: http://www.brandnewcongress.org because the movement will not end until the 99% are treated fairly.

Take my hand.......let's keep it moving.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM

119. Thanks for posting this

I signed up for my local area. So glad some people are organizing.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:42 PM

10. "there is a very good chance that collectively the convention delegates won't elect Hillary Clinton"

There is literally no chance of that happening.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #10)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:57 PM

34. that's what Hillary said nt

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:42 PM

11. Unless pro-Bernie...

...and anti-Hillary are synonymous you are basing this opinion on a false premise.

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Response to JSup (Reply #11)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:49 PM

24. Anti what Hillary represents -- DLC, Corporate and Wall St. owned pseudo centrism and....

 

the "centrist" antipathy to the idea that the Democratic Party should actually be as strong a Liberal/Progressive Populist (in a good sense) Counterweight to clearly oppose the GOP as the Party of Big Money and Big Power and Narrow-Minded Right Wing Bigotry.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:43 PM

13. First the Democratic nominee has been clear since March

 

Second, this is the same policy as in 2008 and 2004. It's not some anti-Sanders plot.

Third this is kind of the general point of the board, to support Democratic candidates.

Fourth, the posts that will be banned are the ones attacking the Democratic nominee for President. If you can't avoid that, that's on you.

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:51 PM

29. Great post

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM

62. You mean "presumptive" nominee. The nominee will be decided at the convention.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:44 PM

14. I asked all of my questions in "Ask The Admins" today.

I see it two ways. Skinner can spell out his expectations or he can just start shitcanning people. It's his Website, he can do whatever he wants.

But it has been my experience that every time DU goes through a major change, he does spell them out, and quite clearly.

So that's what I asked.

My suggestion is that anyone who has concerns about this should go to ATA and look for his response.

Common sense only goes so far, and there are going to be a shit load of "gray areas," like the one you suggested (criticism of Clinton from anyone, Sanders or not, no matter how it's presented).

I don't know.

Skinner knows.

And I asked him.

Best I can do, folks.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:45 PM

17. That would be just stupid

 

I don't think the powers that be in DU are stupid, so it's a non issue.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #17)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:50 PM

26. The Adminstrators are not stupid but I bet they are under enormous pressure to transform DU into a

 

Hillary Clinton campaign website even before the Democratic Party delegates decide who they want to run for President.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #36)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:22 PM

68. You've been here since 2002 and you think Skinner has been "bought"?

Why have you stuck around?

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Response to onenote (Reply #68)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM

70. I didn't say that.

It certainly has been implied by various factions over the years. I just know that there is a family connection to the Clinton camp.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #26)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:00 PM

40. Skinner has stayed in AtA that he sees Trump as a threat to the nation

...and he expects DUers to unite behind the Democratic Party nominee to combat that threat.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #40)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:24 PM

69. And most DU'ers will support the Democratic candidate AFTER the party decides on a candidate!

 


And that happens at the national convention, not before it is held.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #69)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:27 PM

73. That's not how this is going to play out

Not at DU and not in the media. There is another thread on the recent history of presumptive nominees. You should check it out.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #73)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:57 AM

269. There is another thread on the recent history of presumptive nominees.

 

perhaps you could provide a link? I'm wondering how many of those recent presumptive nominees were under FBI investigation and had scathing reports issued by IGs.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #269)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:42 PM

282. Bernie supporters think the report was scathing

Most others shrugged it off; noted that Powell and Rice were also cited for wrongdoing; and concluded that little rises to the level of criminality. Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the NARA and ditched them in a construction trailer until he could pick them up. He only got charged with a misdemeanor. I think if the FBI was charging people, they'd have done it by now.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #282)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:56 PM

283. actually, the media described the IG report as scathing

 

I borrowed the description from what I read.

The IG report is about FOIA and record keeping. The FBI investigation is separate and about handling national defense information and public corruption. The FBI won't be charging anybody because that is not their jurisdiction. The make recommendations; Justice either brings charges or doesn't.

Powell, Rice and Berger were not and are not running for president. None of them claimed they didn't have any classified or marked classified information on their private server, only to have thousands of classified documents turnup. None of them had single email instructing aides to strip classified headings from documents and email unsecure. None of them confirmed by email that they understood not to use a blackberry in SE Asia due to security risks and then turned around and used an unsecured blackberry in SW Asia. None of them claimed for a year that they looked forward to talking to the FBI and then refused to cooperate. None of them had aides pleading the 5th. None of them had aides admitting intent to evade FOIA.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #283)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:42 PM

284. OK, I posted that I'd behave and stop arguing, so I'm going to do that

Someone will be the Democratic nominee. I will support that person, and I hope you will too.

However, I have to be totally honest: I'm in an Applebees, and it's Karaoke night. I would vote for Trump if he'd pass an edict outlawing Karaoke for all time in public. Seriously, they should use this to make the terrorists talk.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #69)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:32 PM

77. Your denial of reality doesn't make it any less real.

There will be a presumptive candidate on June 8th.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #90)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:45 PM

97. Tell Skinner

I don't have any pull around here

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #26)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM

61. In fact

The anti-Hillary bashing will not be allowed after the DC Primary. He's going to give you a warning on June 7th so you have a week to get it out of your system.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910474

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #61)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:48 PM

101. Thank goodness you signed up last week to condescend to us long timers today

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #101)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:49 PM

102. long timer what?

Do you think because you've been on this site longer that you automatically have more interest in political campaigns?

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #102)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:52 PM

107. I think as a newbie here in 2004, I didn't condescend to those...

 

...who'd been here much longer than me. My political interest was the same, but I had some manners. That's all. If you're content being the way you are, don't be surprised when you get some backlash.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #107)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:29 PM

135. That one's not a newbie fyi whatever their join date says

 

Already obsessed with the Stockholm Syndrome thread, Willy, "Bernie Bros" and Bernie’s "racism", "being followed around" (snort), and AAs getting unfair hides amongst other obvious clues to their real alter ego here.

Same writing style too ("whatevs" and rudeness.



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #135)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:51 PM

137. I try not to respond

 

After reading stuff that is clearly provocative; you know, the kind of stuff that if a person said it face to face with someone, it could probably end in a physical confrontation; I ask myself, "Is that the kind of thing an asshole would say?" If the answer is yes, more often than not, I just put the person on full ignore. As you may have guessed, I've got a lot of people on full ignore here. I've been here since Dean was the front runner back in 2004 and I've never seen it like this. This is what happens when the conservative corporatists take over the party.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #137)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:27 PM

151. Agreed. I'm bummed its come to this actually. I've been here since 2005

 

The nastiness is outsized now. Without any checks there's tremendous hatred. I know I'll never see some longtime posters in the same way again, many I used to call friends.

The admins clearly hold Bernie supporters in contempt ("letting" us "get it out of our systems".

The alt-DailyKos site is thriving. Despite the current design JPR is growing and with the launch of their new friendlier layout, I suspect it will see big influx after the hammer lands here.

Peace!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:48 PM

22. After there are no more contests the primary is over

The convention is not where the nominee is selected, it's a mere formality unless the results are deadlocked enough where a contested convention is necessary. However, that is not the case as Clinton will cross the pledged delegate threshold next week and that will be the end of the primary. In 2008 the same thing happened here, so it's not a new rule.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #22)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:54 PM

30. You're mistaken. Hillary will not have enough pledged delegates to capture the nomination.

 


That's just a fact of life no matter how much you may protest it.

You could put up the number of pledged delegates she has now and how many more pledged delegates she needs to secure the nomination.

You could do that. I hope you do! That will prove she can only capture the nomination if enough unpledged superdelegates vote for her.

So go ahead, put up the pledged delegate totals!

So do you think pro-Bernie posts should be banned before the convention decides who to run for President?

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #30)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:03 PM

42. See Skinner's response here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

He indicates he will call it when the voting (read: the DC primary) is over.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #42)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:40 PM

153. Skinner will call the election before Hillary has secured the nomination and when Bernie says he is

 

still running to win the nomination?

That wouldn't be exhibiting impartiality in the election contest for the party nomination if that's actually true.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #153)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:42 PM

154. There's another thread on this

Skinner expects a presumptive nominee 6/7 and is shutting down GD: P debate as of 6/15.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #30)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:07 PM

46. She needs around 256 pledged delegates to reach 2026

Even a tie in California would get here around 240 delegates and when you consider New Jersey, she's going to definitely clinch next week.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #46)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:46 PM

98. She needs 612 pledged delegates to reach 2383.

 

Not that it matters within DU (which is, after all, only a website), but ...

Hillary has 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie has 1487 pledged delegates (284 fewer than Hill).

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383.

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Response to senz (Reply #98)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:55 PM

108. Bingo! +1. This primary will be decided on the convention floor.

 

They can presume the winner will be Hillary, but that's all it is a presumption. I just pray the administrators will also ban anti Bernie posts too during this time frame up until the convention.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #108)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:58 PM

115. Does it really matter what DU allows?

 

DU is not the center of the Democratic universe -- much less the electoral universe. It's just a website.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:30 PM

250. In every contest since 1984 when superdelegates began, the election has been "called"

when a candidate reaches the "magic number" -- that is, the majority of the combination of pledged and superdelegates. And the superdelegates ARE included in that count.

Hillary was slightly ahead of Obama in the popular vote and yet the race was called -- ahead of the convention -- based on Obama's lead in the delegate count (a much smaller lead than Hillary has now). That's the way it's always been done and it won't change this year.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:49 PM

25. The word underground won't have meaning anymore.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #25)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:55 PM

31. It technically lost its meaning when Obama was elected

Democrats hold the white house - and at the time had both the senate and the house. We certainly weren't the "underground" at that point.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:51 PM

28. Huh?

Stupid me. I thought we lived in a democracy. Perhaps not.



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #28)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:17 PM

65. This is a privately owned website.

Neither democracy nor free speech apply here, nor should they.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #28)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:19 PM

66. DU is not a democracy and its top administrator is a Hillary supporter.

 

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Response to senz (Reply #66)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:26 PM

72. And no one is making you post here.

Free world.

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Response to onenote (Reply #72)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM

82. Did I say they were?

 

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #28)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:39 PM

87. silly people expecting PRIVATE ventures to operate as if it were a government entity

 

...once people are able to get that straight, come to an understanding, a lot of angst would disappear.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #28)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

122. Can I come into your house and make political speeches?

No? I thought this was a democracy!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:56 PM

33. My advice to you

Contribute 1.00 or more to DU; become a * member; ask Skinner. He owns the joint.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:05 PM

44. Been here since 2004, butif this place is going to go full Free Republic

and start banning people because they didn't support the guy who won...

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Response to Arkana (Reply #44)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:12 PM

54. +1,000 !!

No kidding! is going on around here anyway?

Should those that don't agree with all that is said related to someone's name that begins with an H and wears a pantsuit most of the time just go away?

Just say the word and I too shall be a distant memory of the past.

Sad really, very.



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Response to Arkana (Reply #44)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:29 PM

74. I've been searching for greener pastures.

 

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Response to Arkana (Reply #44)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM

83. This place only has started to resemble Free Republic

When the outrageous venomous attacks startled occurring against the presumptive Democratic nominee.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #83)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:39 PM

88. hell yeah!!!

 

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #83)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:46 AM

207. Like what? Give some examples of these "outrageous venomous attacks."

 

Let's see what your standard for that claim is.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #207)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:41 AM

219. It's quite easy to find, just check the latest and greatest pages

But you knew that

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #219)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:56 AM

225. So, you can't find any.

 

You said it was easy.

Prove it.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #225)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:39 AM

228. LOL

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #228)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:42 AM

229. LOL, indeed.

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #229)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:43 AM

230. Yep

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #219)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:53 PM

236. Please, show me some examples of what you consider "outrageous and venomous attacks"

 

They may be "easy to find" but I'm not you, so I don't know what you consider such. Show me, pelase.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #236)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:54 PM

237. I know you can do it

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #237)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:49 PM

262. I can't read your mind, I'm afraid

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #262)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:03 AM

271. Of course you can't

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Response to Arkana (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:42 AM

205. Hell, even if he doesn't...

 

Giving a paranoid personality cult the keys seems like a bad idea.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:06 PM

45. One place to start --

 

I don't know if you're familiar with the "Ask the Administrators" Group, but lots of people have been using it to inquire about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

So that's a good place to check first. I think the administrator chooses his words pretty carefully. I would be cautious about taking anyone else's word for it.

As I've understood it so far, if "Hillary" is determined to the the nominee or even the "presumptive" nominee, they won't allow any posts that seem to prefer her Republican opponent to her. I'm not sure if information about her that is not total adulation will be disallowed, but probably posts that completely trash her won't be allowed.

However, if the replies in the group don't answer a specific question, you could always write your own question, as others are probably wondering about it also.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:12 PM

52. Will administrators ban Hillary supporters posts that criticize Bernie?

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #52)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:35 PM

79. Of course not.

 

They will have made a leap into an imagined future in which Hillary has already been nominated and is not under investigation by the FBI. At that point, DU will exist in that particular imaginary world, and those who prefer reality-based internet communications will have to go elsewhere.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:13 PM

57. Bernie Sanders forum won't be dissolved.

I think you are misreading the course of action.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM

60. HRC supporters will s.t.r.e.t.c.h the DU 'mandate' to burn any Bernie supporters

 

Mark this OP post for future ref...

'DU Administrators to not ban posts by supporters of Bernie Sanders that criticize Hillary Clinton's policies until after the Democratic Party has selected their presidential candidate.'

Any and all 'rabid' HRC supporters will push the limits of 'enforcement' of what pertains to 'criticism' of HRC...

DU will become an echo chamber unparalleled this election cycle

HRC is so feckless of a candidate that she's running even against TRUMP... any other candidate should be so far ahead of TRUMP at this moment it's stunning that HRC isn't able to beat the monstrosity that's TRUMP and GOP party

DU will be a become a joke trying to keep HRC on life support through this election cycle with the depth of her unfavorables that she can't clear or get past, that's on her, nobody else can take the blame for that... and every HRC supporter here knows that...

But with the transition from primary to GE fully expect HRC supporters here to push banning and censor to the fullest extent

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:17 PM

64. The Democratic Party already has a nominee.

What you have is a dead parrot campaign pining for the Fjords.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:20 PM

67. The focus will be on criticizing Trump. Please make a note of it

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #67)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM

71. Tell Hillary supporters, they'll still be criticizing Bernie

 

when he takes his campaign to the convention floor.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #71)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:32 PM

76. Just put up a pro Bernie post after June 16 and see what happens.

 

Go ahead - make my day.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #76)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:35 PM

78. Nothing in the rules says after June 16 I can't put up a Pro Bernie post. You

 

need to get your head out of the mud.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #78)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:51 PM

105. It doesn't matter, B Calm

 

DU is not the Democratic Party. DU is merely a website. A privately owned website. That's all.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #76)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:47 PM

99. Spare me. nt

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #76)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:42 PM

235. Hey, Clint Eastwood, looks like you'll need to holster your Magnum typing fingers

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Response to suffragette (Reply #235)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:07 PM

241. Yeah yeah yeah

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM

81. Nope, it is the date the official primary season ends, and the

Campaigning against the presumptive nominee will not be tolerated.

No one needs to express a loyalty oath, just no undermining of the presumptive nominee after the primaries are finished

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:38 PM

84. It would have to be called

Third Way Underground, not as spiffy a name though.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:44 PM

95. So sorry, it must be vexing -not to mention tiresome- to return to talking about issues.

 

You'll need to find a big, fluffy pillow to punch if you think trash-talking our leading candidate is something you need to do. Maybe print out a picture of Clinton so you can get your hate on.

Or maybe, you know, like I said, talk about issues. Remember those? They were what the Sanders campaign was all about...a long, long time ago.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #95)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:55 PM

110. LOL! Throughout 2015 we were begging y'all to discuss issues.

 

But of course, Hill didn't know what her issues were until aides wrote them up for her. And her supporters have never been interested in issues. They want exactly what she wants: to get her into the WH by hook or by crook. Period. Nothing more. Nothing else matters.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:51 PM

106. I think if Bernie supporters want to plan strategy for the convention

then it might be wise to find another site to do that on. Just saying....

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Response to Lodestar (Reply #106)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

121. Definitely. Obviously.

 

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Response to Autumn Colors (Reply #111)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 PM

129. People should consider websites/forums that are well known among political junkies.

 

At this point, only two things matter: 1) influencing the voting public. 2) a place to strategize.

These will not be in the same location.

1) Influencing the voting public -- means known, visible websites. It probably means being around Republicans, but after a year of Hill's Bros, Republicans aren't any big deal.

It's not going to last forever, just a few months.

We are part of the media.

2) Strategizing -- means smaller more private sites for fellow progressives. These are also where we would go for socializing and comfort.

On the bright, bright, bright side: certain unpleasantries will no longer be a factor. Think of what's on your ignore list.

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Response to Autumn Colors (Reply #111)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:55 PM

159. exactly. They will get their echo chamber back but they will lose a lot of members and a lot of

revenue. I'm not even sure I will come back after the GE. If Hillary wins the GE and that is a big if, we will be harassed for criticizing her policies just as we have been harassed for criticizing Obama. The only time dissent is allowed is if there is a Republican president. As you mentioned there are better places on the internet, places where discussion on actual policy is allowed and not just useless cheer leading and cult of personality.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM

116. "Bernie Sanders is a great guy" = fine

"Hillary is a flawed candidate but vastly better than Trump" = fine

"Everyone shoukd stay home in November instead of voting for that corporatist Third Way warmonger" = not fine.

This stuff is really not that complicated.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:02 PM

123. There are very few pro Bernie posts in the main forums.

 

His supporters aren't that in to promoting him.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:08 PM

127. Hillary will not have the required amount of 2,383 pledged delegates for a clinch.

 

They can presume the winner will be Hillary, but that's all it is a presumption.

I just pray the administrators will also ban anti Bernie posts too during the time frame up until the convention, unless Bernie drops out of the race before then. After all we're suppose to be focusing on Trump, right?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 PM

130. I've seen a few Posts

Personally requesting, Skinner, to just finally declare her the winner, after California. They'd like to shut us up now.

They have their cave, to plot snark in, at that other site. They could stop doing it here. Mean girls.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 PM

131. Skinner et al have every right to do what they will with DU.

Skinner has been up front about his intentions at DU.

Skinner has been up front about personal support for Hillary Clinton yet has allowed much criticism (which IMO is valid and I have posted my share).

I don't think DU has been 100% fair regards Clinton vs Sanders.

In general, the Clinton supporters have been allowed to abuse Sanders supporters with little consequence.

Skinner says that the jury system is broken and I agree, but also that the jury system has been biased in favor of Clinton supporters.

I have my own personal experience. I have had two posts hidden at DU.

(1) "Hillary Clinton is a psychopath". Title to a post that contained the infamous video of Hillary Clinton "We came ... He Died" I am OK with this.

(2) "Who cares what you think? nt" Response to a long thread started by Bravnak. There was probably a dozen or more posts by Bravnak in the thread more worthy of a hide and ultimately Bravnak was locked out of their own thread by a hide.

I seldom use the alert function, don't lock or otherwise limit other posters, and was on a jury nearly every day

I have used the alert function now 4X but when this occurred 3X - one hide, one non-hide, and two someone else beat you with an alert.

The one hide ended up the subject of a long and mocking post in the Hillary Clinton group. The alert was presented as alert stalking and conspiracy to "hide" against the poster. The poster said they were going to Admins to get my jury ability removed. Nothing happened then.

About two weeks later I had a neutral interaction with the poster my alert caused the hidden post that resulted in the long Hillary Clinton group thread. I seldom PM but PMed the poster in a respectful and collegial manner and told them the OP and thread in the Hillary Clinton group was a flight of fantasy (or similar words) as it was only my 3rd alert and I did not alert stalk nor work as a team ever and strived to be fair when I was on a jury, maybe on that time and day I was somewhat thin skinned in the moment. The poster thanked me and asked for links to the threads which I provided. Evidently the poster went to Admin as from that moment on April 27 I have never had a jury notification after 100s before. I admit I have hid more posts from Clinton supporters than Sanders supporters but only because the Clinton supporters generated more alerts. Other than that I have been fair and adhere to TOS; I did read threads when on jury and sometimes did vary some in context of the give and take of posts. Point is that I was not guilty of being an unfair and biased juror but an Admin thought I was not a qualified juror. There was no notification, just that I have never since received a jury summons.

So I have an experience to note that DU is not always fair (and admittedly DU does not have to be fair). DU is just another place in the USA and life where some are more equal than others.

I don't intend to leave DU unless I am banned but will probably post less (more like my history at DU) and somewhat walk the edge, accustomed to being loyal opposition.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:22 PM

132. What about posts regarding Hillary's own record

Will stating facts about her own past policy positions be alerted?

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Response to TrueDemVA (Reply #132)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:18 PM

149. Of course they will.

The truth will not be permitted.

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Response to smiley (Reply #149)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:49 PM

157. Ha ha ha

This place is getting nutty. I guess centrist/moderate underground is on the way. Too bad. I really enjoyed reading post on here for the past 7, going on 8 years. This has been my go to.

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Response to TrueDemVA (Reply #157)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:59 PM

166. I've been lurking here for 12 years....

Love this site.... but if it goes full on pro-Hillary mode, then count me out. I can't support a corrupt and dishonest politician.

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Response to smiley (Reply #166)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:05 PM

184. I'm with you

It saddens me, but progessives aren't welcome anymore

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Response to TrueDemVA (Reply #157)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:54 PM

190. I think a lot of us are going to miss it

But this place has gotten progressively more nutty over the years. I can't believe I'm watching the place that was built against Bushco swear fealty to it an its policies.

But as a political science experiment, DU was amazing.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #190)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:22 PM

281. We'll get it out of our systems very easily. After watching the various purges and the abuse of

liberals and progressives I've witnessed here over the years I have to agree that it was a political science experiment for the third way.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:29 PM

134. Your denial is deeply deeply pathetic. Skinner giving you a boost of reality is actually a huge gift

You should thank him.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:58 PM

140. "not enough pledged delegates"

Good grief that mathematically ignorant argument is so damn tired. Are you the kid that kept insisting Santa was real until he was 12?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:05 PM

141. It's an acknowledgment of how weak and vulnerable they think she actually is.

Authoritarian RW are very frightened and controlling creatures.

That's what is rearing it's ugly head here

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #141)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:18 PM

150. The same rules were in place 2004, 2008, and for those that didn't get their pony in 2012

It's nothing new and the same rules would have applied if Bernie won.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:10 PM

144. I think that Skinner has had enough of the people who live in denial.

Hillary's pledged delegate advantage, and even her large popular vote advantage, make her the prospective nominee. Therefore, it's about time that after the last vote has been counted, we pivot to Trump.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:12 PM

146. Yada yada yada. Give me a whine.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #146)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:38 AM

199. Why do you post so unkind and disrespectful? eom

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:33 PM

152. The primary here is over when the voting ends.

You won't be able to bash Hillary anymore after 5-16-16

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:49 PM

158. How about just no more trashing the nominee after the date given?

 

How hard can that be?

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Response to bravenak (Reply #158)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:58 PM

163. What if the nominee is trash?

 

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Response to basselope (Reply #163)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:58 PM

164. Then move on after that date

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #164)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:08 PM

170. It's a shame when a candidate is so weak it can't stand up to criticism.

 

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Response to basselope (Reply #170)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:26 PM

173. You can criticize her elsewhere as much as you please

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #173)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:39 PM

175. Guess the bubble helps people think they are safe, eh?

 

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Response to basselope (Reply #175)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:41 PM

176. Why should we feel unsafe? Hmmm. I hope that's not meant as a threat of some sort.

 

The admin said the 16th is the day. That's it and that's all. Arguing with me has absolutely no effect on how things will go. It's done. Deal.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #176)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM

178. Obviously you (the collective you) feel unsafe since you feel the desperate need to censor opinions

 

critical of a potential candidate.

Why do people feel threatened by it? Is the candidate THAT weak on the issues??

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Response to basselope (Reply #178)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:26 PM

179. This is silly

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #179)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:19 AM

193. Yes, censoring people b/c of the weakness of your candidate IS silly.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:56 PM

160. The bubble must be preserved at all costs!

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:59 PM

165. It will be nice when DU is once again a site that supports Democrats...nt

Sid

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:00 PM

168. well

I know then when it's time for me to leave.that is when it becomes clinton underground.me and all other bernie supporters can
leave and never return.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #168)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:10 PM

185. Once that happens, no one in their right mind will use DU as a legit source for anything. It

 

will make this site worthless IMO.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:57 PM

182. These days...

... There are very few Pro Bernie threads. There are however a plethora of anti-Hillary threads. Try not to confuse the two.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #182)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:58 PM

192. We can't help it if Hillary Clinton is scandal ridden and distrusted by most people.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #192)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:39 AM

216. Thanks...

...for confirming my opinion concerning some Bernie supporter's priorities.

Bernie: " I'M NUMBER TWO!! I'M NUMBER TWO!!!!"🙌🙌🙌

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:41 AM

195. "And that is to make DU a Hillary Clinton convention tool..."

The grand conspiracies keep getting grander.

The vast majority of people have never even heard of DU, but it's a potential convention tool? M'kay.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:24 AM

201. You're right.

It makes much more sense for everyone to just pretend that we don't know what the outcome of the Convention will be.

That way, we can all act surprised when Hillary is declared the nominee - much more fun that way, no?

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:45 AM

206. Why would they do that?

 

Sounds a little silly to me.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:16 AM

214. There is a difference though between having an honest difference of opinion and just trying to stir

shit up and the stirring shit up is what I think skinner is referring to not being allowed.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:17 AM

215. K&R. Please Skinner, don't pull a DWS on us. It won't work, but it will have consequences

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:00 AM

217. we have our nominee on June 6th skinner is being gracious to allow the bashing of her until the 16th

 

and he will be busy with daily house cleaning as so many don't believe the rules apply to them

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:45 AM

220. Who posts "pro-Bernie" OPs on DU these days?

Most of DU's Bernie supporters gave that up long ago and switched to an "all anti-Hillary all the time" OP format.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #220)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:38 AM

223. They dropped the idea of 'issues' a long time ago.

 


[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #220)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:54 AM

224. I and many other posters do. He is running for the nomination and criticizes Hillary's positions.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:36 AM

222. I hope that if someone finds another good site for discussion that doesn't have the censorship

 

they will post it to let us know where we can go to get freedom of speech back.
Thanks in advance.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:58 AM

226. we have our candidate June 7th around 9pm est

 

sanders can go back to vermont then

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:59 AM

232. Are you going to apologize for your false accusation for an Op of whining that had no basis?

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:29 PM

239. I guess I'll have to patronize that Naveed fellow at that other website.

 

I hear he's a comparatively enlightened and tolerant sort.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:37 PM

240. This op will never be banned at DU in GD. Ever.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:03 PM

242. It sounds funny when you demo the reasoning out loud

Campaigns involve contrast. Candidate B's actions are not under FBI investigation while Candidate C's are under investigation. Etc.

The facts, even the ones from editorials from The New York Times editorials, have an anti-Clinton agenda and must no longer be mentioned. Maybe if we use acronyms? The Goldman Sachs speeches transcripts can be referred to as TGSST. So maybe we'll be allowed to say we agree with The New York Times about releasing TGSST?

I doubt it though.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:12 PM

245. Are you being forced to participate here? You're not even a Star Member who contributed...

 

...but you think it's your place to question the DU admins motives? Denigrate them for exercising their right to vote as they see fit, rather than how you demand?

The Democratic Party has already selected its nominee by voting. The convention is a formality.

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Response to BobbyDrake (Reply #245)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:57 PM

264. The Democratic Party has not picked anyone to run for President no matter how much you protest that

 

It appears you just don't understand the Democratic Party primary and convention rules and nominating process.

That's unfortunate.

Perhaps someone can explain the delegate rules and procedures to you but I don't really have enough time to take on that task.

Case Closed.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:36 PM

251. no they won't, and neither will pro-Hillary supporters as long as they follow the TOS after the

primaries

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:40 PM

255. Oh what bullshit. Problems with reading comprehension? Where did you see that?

We're not going to play pretend, that we don't have a presumptive nominee, after June 14th, per Skinner.

Don't like it? Simple solution - go somewhere else. You haven't been here for even a year yet so I'm sure you can adjust.

PS - we don't have "pretend delegates" that don't count yet. That's another Bernie edict that he has no authority to make true.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #255)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:45 PM

258. Well said!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:47 PM

259. I just read the Skinner post. It says nothing like you claim.

Strongly suggest you reread and repost.
But I will not see it. My ignore list now has nearly as many Berners as Hillaryites.
Welcome aboard.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #259)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:34 PM

274. "you're intemperate!" *intemperately ignores imagine2015*

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:27 PM

261. Half of it is complete bullshit anyway and has no business being posted here.

But it lives forever no matter how many times it's shown to be completely bogus.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:53 PM

276. Did you actually READ Skinner's post? That would help.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:59 PM

278. As Per Skinner's post, your statement is incorrect.

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