2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's NOT JUST the Speeches: Hillary Clinton QUESTIONED Over Son-in-Law’s TIES to Goldman Sachs
Segami
(14,923 posts)Why??
WhiteTara
(30,266 posts)bankrupted her last employer and got a golden parachute before she got fired?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)do I really need to go there?
WhiteTara
(30,266 posts)crony capitalism while he rails against the practice for others?
They are all humans and inherently flawed and they want to do the best they can as politicians. I'll be happy to vote for either in November and to make sure there will be no President Trump and WWIII
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Merryland
(1,134 posts)voters in the caucus states were not counted in that number.
randome
(34,845 posts)If Sanders can't win in non-caucus states, he isn't likely to win. Period. His 'revolution' is only taking hold in states where voting is restricted to caucuses. That doesn't bode well for him, does it?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
scscholar
(2,902 posts)This is getting ridiculous. Oh wait. It's been ridiculous.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Do you think a connection to a Wall Street company that paid Hillary over $600,000 for a few speeches that she refuses to release the transcripts of is sillier than making up a complete lie about a chair? Or the pope?
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GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)He worked at Goldman Sachs, so he is qualified based on all our former Treasury top guys. Running a hedge fund is just a bonus on his resume. Can't wait for this guy's economic policies to get implemented, they are sure to really help out the middle class!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)2cannan
(344 posts)Goldman Sachs Financed Hillary Clintons Son-in-Law to Make Bullish Greek Bets After It Structured Unseemly Greek Debt Deals that Hobbled that Country
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/05/goldman-sachs-financed-hillary-clintons-son-in-law-to-make-bullish-greek-bets-after-it-structured-unseemly-greek-debt-deals-that-hobbled-that-country/
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On May 10, the New York Times gently dropped a bombshell on the hedge fund investing world of New Yorks one-percenters. Hillary and Bill Clintons son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky, who married their only child, Chelsea, in an opulent 2010 wedding, was shuttering the Eaglevale Hellenic Opportunity Fund after it had lost 90 percent of its value. That is a staggering loss for a hedge fund, which is, as its name implies, supposed to have hedges in place to prevent that kind of loss.
The fund with the steep losses is part of a larger hedge fund firm run by Mezvinsky and two former colleagues at Goldman Sachs, Bennett Grau and Mark Mallon. The idea that a hedge fund should wait until it had only 10 percent of its clients assets remaining before shutting down is causing angst in billionaire circles, as are many other details surrounding this hedge fund. According to a 2015 article in the Wall Street Journal, the same fund had already lost 48 percent in 2014 raising the question as to why it wasnt shuttered then, when clients could have gotten a sizeable amount of their principal returned.
According to the account in the New York Times, the Eaglevale Hellenic Opportunity Fund imploded as a result of bullish bets on Greek bank stocks and Greek government debt. Thats raising even more eyebrows in investment circles since it was Goldman Sachs who secretly sold a complex and convoluted derivative deal to Greece in 2001 that hid the true state of its debt, then reworked the deal multiple times until Greece ended up owing Goldman a stunning 5.1 billion euros, almost twice Greeces original obligation, thus making future bullish bets on Greece highly doubtful. Along the way, Goldman Sachs learned more about Greek debt than just about any player on the planet.
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We raise the plundering by the physical commodity empires of the Wall Street mega banks because Greece has an estimated $200 billion in mineral reserves, with concentrations of nickel, bauxite and gold, according to the Institute for Geology and Mineral Exploration. As the Greek debt crisis continues, the privatization of these resources will continue apace with Wall Street banks no doubt positioning themselves for the spoils.
There is one last thing to remember about hedge fund losses. For every crushing trade, there is someone on the other side of that trade making a killing. As the public learned well from Goldman Sachs and John Paulson secretly creating a subprime debt investment designed to fail, while Goldman peddled it to their own clients as a good investment and Paulson shorted it to make a profit of $1 billion (the notorious 2007 Abacus deal), until we know whom the beneficiaries of this hedge funds losses were, were in the precise place that Goldman Sachs wants to keep us: in the dark.
2cannan
(344 posts)at Goldman-Sachs (the great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money) have plans for its' mineral reserves.
senz
(11,945 posts)Goldman Sachs is in the Clinton family.
Or ... how to buy a candidate. She is owned.
If the Democrats nominate Hillary, they are nominating Goldman Sachs.
If America elects Hillary, we are electing Goldman Sachs.
If she nominates SCOTUS replacements, Goldman Sachs must approve.
Can you imagine the pressure on the FBI? Goldman Sachs is a powerful entity! Hopefully not as powerful as the FBI.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Now we know she didnt just get her $675,000 for 3 speeches.
Its also millions (billions?) to prop up her daughter's husband.
Its sick. Just sick.
treestar
(82,383 posts)questioning her about activities of her son-in-law is even MORE sexist.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Sexist!
omg... please... you're killing me. You guys have cried 'wolf' about 100 times too many. You really need to stop playing the gender card because you are making a mockery of women's fight for equal rights. As a woman I find it embarrassing and you should be embarrassed. You are making women look weak when you do that.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)Quit attributing Hillary's male associates' actions to her.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)to substantiate that claim yet you made a point to use the word 'male' in your new claim that this is "right wing" tactic.
So let's look at that. First of all your premise is wrong. I certainly am not "attributing Hillary's male associates' actions to her". Where was that done? Please quote me directly with a link to said quote.
The reason to point out where her son-in-law works is to connect the dots of the relationship Hillary has with Goldman-Sachs. She was paid a hell of a lot of money for three speeches to them, refuses to let the public know bwhat was said in those speeches and now we come to find that her son-in-law works there.
Now you know if you substituted any Republican for Hillary you would be wondering about that situation yourself, perhaps even commenting how bad it looks. In politics associations are everything. You know that.
But let's pretend what you said is true, that people are "attributing Hillary's male associates' actions to her", what is right wing about that? I'm not familiar with that tactic of theirs. Or do you just like accusing Bernie supporters of being right wing because you like projecting? We're not the ones using Rovian tactics and making up outright lies such as chairgate and popegate.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)Maybe the guy is qualified to work at GS on his own merits? There's nothing to prove he wasn't, just assumption that because he is married to Hillary's daughter, that alone means he did not qualify for the job properly. All people pull strings no matter what level they are at.
Now I always hate how people get jobs because they know the right people, and not because they are the best at the job - I have never had good contacts.
But resenting it doesn't get me anywhere.
I think you want this son-in-law to be corrupt ahead of giving him any fair hearing.
Hating a Democrat this much is not safe. Leave that to Republicans.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)You're not getting the point. I'm not saying he got a job at GS because of Hillary.
Do you know about what they call the "revolving door" in politics? About how people who work in govt then go to work at the SEC then go to work in Wall Street? Or in other directions. Point being that people in all areas know each other and have relationships and actually take certain jobs in order to benefit those others. So they basically infiltrate all the positions necessary to ensure they get what they want.
It's incestuous and it's a conflict of interest. Maybe if you took your blinders off you would see it.
What you think about me in your post is incorrect. You didn't show me where I stated what you claimed I did in your last post, nor did you acknowledge - let alone apologize - your falsehood. You should stop speculating and respond to what I actually say. If you did that you wouldn't be so wrong all the time. I do not believe in mind readers and I highly doubt you are qualified to psychoanalyze me.
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)Right?
ecstatic
(34,579 posts)college into the ground. And where the f--- are their taxes?! What are they hiding?! Or are they extremely disorganized and/or computer illiterate?! I used turbo tax for years (now using the cheaper but less user friendly TAXAct). I always save a PDF of the return, but if all else fails, I assume you can log in to Turbo Tax and get another copy.
msongs
(70,432 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)It's like everyone she knows is a member of the Kleptocracy.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)The breadth of his anti-Americanism is mind boggling. It's like everyone he knows is a member of the socialist-Marxist cartel.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
Absurd guilt by association.
Another example of pure desperation. Please stop.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Let me know how Bernie's family does.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)k&r
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)What's next? Her dog is too expensive a breed?
Her gardener owns stocks?
Pure desperation, segami. You're better than this. I know as I've read your posts.