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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:06 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton Might Be GOING DOWN Over Emails But Timing Is Everything

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Hillary Clinton’s situation was described plainly by Dan Metcalfe, the former director of the Justice Department’s Office of Information and Privacy, in an article he wrote for Law Newz. Dan is now retired, but he served in the Justice Department for over 25 years. Mr. Metcalfe dispels the half-truths told in the media concerning Hillary’s email.

“No, her self-serving email set-up was not ‘allowed’ under the State Department’s rules. No, she was not ‘permitted’ to use a personal email system exclusively as she did. No, what she did was hardly just a matter of her ‘personal convenience.’ No, there is no evidence that any State Department attorney (other than perhaps Secretary Clinton herself) ever gave ‘legal approval’ to any part of her special email system. No, everything she did was not ‘fully above board’ or in compliance with the ‘letter and spirit of the rules,’ far from it. Yes, she was indeed required by the FRA to maintain all official emails in an official system for proper review, delineation, and retention upon her departure. Yes, her private server equipment was in fact the subject of multiple attempted intrusion attempts (i.e., hacks), including by foreign nations. The list goes on and on.”

Hillary Clinton really is in a lot of trouble, according to Mr. Metcalfe. The emails were negligently handled in clear violation of State Department regulations. Then, half the emails were deleted and the account allegedly hacked. The FBI was able to save the emails with hard drive forensics, and so the FBI is now reading her emails. This leaves three potential issues. First of all, the potential to be charged with criminal negligence for her careless treatment of classified information. The second issue is the likelihood that the emails were hacked by foreign powers. The third issue involves the contents of the emails themselves. What will the FBI find? What was Mrs. Clinton hiding?

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Hillary Clinton’s email case is being investigated by one of the finest FBI directors in history, according to Mr. Metcalfe. He firmly believes this man will hold Clinton responsible for her actions, regardless of the political mess it could make.

“The ongoing investigation of Ms. Clinton’s misconduct is being conducted by the FBI, under the leadership of FBI Director James Comey. Those of us who worked under him when he was the deputy attorney general during the George W. Bush Administration know him to be an exceptional man of utmost integrity, one who can be counted on to recommend a criminal prosecution when the facts and the law of a case warrant it, regardless of political circumstances. Given that the facts and law are so clear in Ms. Clinton’s case, it is difficult to imagine her not being indicted, unless Jim Comey’s expected recommendation for that is abruptly overruled at ‘Main Justice.'”

Hillary Clinton is likely to go down with James Comey at the helm of her investigation. Mr. Metcalfe then poses an interesting question: At which time would be most advantageous to Democratic Party leaders for Hillary’s indictment to happen?

“Sometime between now and, say, (a) the time of the convention at the end of July; (b) the time of the general election in early November; or (c) Inauguration Day in January. Which possibility would you prefer?”

Hillary Clinton’s email situation will be used in some way by the Democratic Party and other movers and shakers in the political scene, according to Dan Metcalfe. He postulates on how government and business figures will deal with the situation in order to maintain the status quo for four more years. He admits his further speculations are fanciful, but is there a thread of logic in what he says? Considering the man’s vast experience, he certainly has a unique perspective on insider politics.

“(1) Clinton gets indicted as she ought to, but not until shortly after the convention; (2) the evidence presented in the indictment (as well as that proffered to her and her attorney privately) overwhelmingly proves to her that she in fact has bigger concerns in the coming months than running for the presidency; (3) Clinton is thereby forced to step down as the nominee (a difficult prospect to conceive of, to be sure); (4) the Democratic Party (translation: President Obama, as its leader) declares an ‘unprecedented’ emergency and asks everyone to rally around a replacement ticket; and (5) slyest of all, the Democratic Party asks Senator Sanders to please not fight this, which he could not so easily do anyway once his ‘clout’ is dissipated upon the convention’s conclusion.”

Hillary Clinton is going to have to resign right after the convention, but not before, speculates Dan Metcalfe. If she were to be forced to resign prior to the convention, then Sanders would become the nominee, and that is not what the Democratic Party or big donors want. Those in power want to rid themselves of the outsiders, both Trump and Sanders. Mr. Metcalfe’s theory is that once Hillary has named a VP, that person would become the candidate and then the U.S. President. He predicts that either Joe Biden or John Kerry would be likely choices for vice president, and then eventually the Democrat candidate if Hillary is unable to continue. Donald Trump echoes the same idea in the video below. It is, of course, simply speculation on the part of Dan Metcalfe, but it will be interesting to see if he is correct.


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http://www.inquisitr.com/3150408/hillary-clinton-might-be-going-down-over-emails-but-timing-is-everything/
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Hillary Clinton Might Be GOING DOWN Over Emails But Timing Is Everything (Original Post) Segami May 2016 OP
Hillary is and will always be a flawed candidate Segami May 2016 #1
We are all pawns in the DNC/DLC game. dchill May 2016 #2
one of her own making grasswire May 2016 #8
Indeed. My main takeaway is... dchill May 2016 #10
+1 Segami May 2016 #16
I believe that the Oligarchy will not let Sanders win the nomination at any cost. rhett o rick May 2016 #24
Establishment Democrats may ignore it, but GE voters won't. senz May 2016 #3
exactly - The RW Dem elite are arrogant enough to think they can Ferd Berfel May 2016 #6
They think we are like them and will bend to the wishes of the authoritarian overlords. rhett o rick May 2016 #25
I hope they don't ignore it. Duval May 2016 #13
I'm with the GE voters Segami May 2016 #19
I agree on all counts, senz. n/t Uncle Joe May 2016 #22
Been saying that since this crap started - It's the timing stupid Ferd Berfel May 2016 #4
this grandma will be protesting in the streets if they install someone who didn't even run Viva_La_Revolution May 2016 #5
This grandma will join you! Punkingal May 2016 #30
This grandma will be right with you! Seeinghope May 2016 #34
Elitist clinton can set up her email server any way she likes and nothing will ever come of it. leeroysphitz May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #9
K&R dchill May 2016 #11
Does the party hierarchy really believe that the the Bernie supporters and even 1monster May 2016 #12
No you are not alone. nt Duval May 2016 #14
Nope. Not alone. n/t djean111 May 2016 #18
Not alone. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #26
No way are you alone. Pastiche423 May 2016 #35
The e-mail SELF-SERVER lagomorph777 May 2016 #15
Bernie Sanders must be allowed to stay in the race felix_numinous May 2016 #17
After all the work the DNC did to cram her down our throats, never happen! B Calm Jun 2016 #36
And, no, she did not cooperate with the OIG's investigation, yet claimed she did. AtomicKitten May 2016 #20
Yet another "former" someone speaks to yet another clickbait website. MineralMan May 2016 #21
Dan Metcalfe..... Segami May 2016 #23
You left out Psychic rusty fender May 2016 #28
Metcalf oversaw FOIA being put in place originally at DoJ. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #27
How many times are you going to post this story? WhiteTara May 2016 #29
If "party elders" just force Biden, Kerry, or whomever onto the ballot yodermon May 2016 #31
If the party leadership (and I use the term lightly) pulled something like that... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #32
Biden or Kerry? How about Humphrey Land of Enchantment May 2016 #33
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
1. Hillary is and will always be a flawed candidate
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

...the Brockalini swarm in 3.....2......1.....


grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. one of her own making
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

the DNC and DLC would be happy to promote HRC into the WH had she not committed unforced errors -- fatal to her candidacy.

dchill

(40,997 posts)
10. Indeed. My main takeaway is...
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

that the DNC/DLC advocates for "not Sanders" the way some of us advocate for "not Hillary." They need "one of their own." Which would be not Sanders. A whole new game plan is now being storyboarded.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
16. +1
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

The closer we get to the convention, the clearer the signs will become as to their plans.


Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
6. exactly - The RW Dem elite are arrogant enough to think they can
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

control the voters with a boogie-man. FEAR! just like the republicans

The Power of Nightmares (2004) - Adam Curtis
http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the_power_of_nightmares_13_the_rise_of_the_politics_of_fear/

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. They think we are like them and will bend to the wishes of the authoritarian overlords.
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

We never have and never will. Had they been around in the 1700's they would have told our founders to be pragmatic and "sit down and shut up".

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
13. I hope they don't ignore it.
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

This is serious and I'm glad it's getting publicized. We have a right to know before we vote.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
4. Been saying that since this crap started - It's the timing stupid
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

If the republicans have anything to say about it the shit won't hit the the fan until is too late for the Dems to do much about it (October Surprise?)

But maybe that's the "freak accident/situation" that allows them to ram Biden down out throats.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
34. This grandma will be right with you!
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

I don't think Bernie Sanders will step aside quietly either.

 

leeroysphitz

(10,462 posts)
7. Elitist clinton can set up her email server any way she likes and nothing will ever come of it.
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

As a Clinton she is above the law.

Response to Segami (Original post)

1monster

(11,027 posts)
12. Does the party hierarchy really believe that the the Bernie supporters and even
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

some of the Hillary supporters will obediently support an emergency replacement ticket (most likely Biden) which passes over Bernie just because that is what THEY want? Have they missed the whole crux of Bernie's campaign and the number of people who support him?

Look, I really like Joe Biden as a person, and he is okay, but not better than okay, as a candidate. However, he didn't bother to get into the fray and fight for the nomination. There is no way I support his becoming the nominee rather than Bernie.

And I don't think I am alone in that stance.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
17. Bernie Sanders must be allowed to stay in the race
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

until these results are in, no matter what the timing. He is the people's choice, whether you think his actual numbers make him first or second in the Democratic Party. The people have decided who the default nominee is. Easy Peasy.

But the status quo moneyed class do not want the people to decide this??

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
20. And, no, she did not cooperate with the OIG's investigation, yet claimed she did.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

Prior SOS's Albright, Rice, and Powell as well as current SOS Kerry all cooperated with the investigation. She will not be able to duck the joint FBI/Dept of Justice's investigation. Her camp/supporters continue to parse the OIG report like an amateur Jedi Mind Trick, but a reckoning of this whole sordid mess is coming. It is insane/beyond comprehension that she was even allowed to run for president with this hanging over her head. If the party decides to stick with her regardless, that's on them. In that case, I and many Democrats will not follow the party off the cliff.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
23. Dan Metcalfe.....
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016
Daniel J. Metcalfe
Adjunct Professor of Law
Email: [email protected]

Dan Metcalfe joined the faculty of WCL in 2007 as a Faculty Fellow in Law and Government upon retiring from a career in government service that began at the Department of Justice nearly 45 years ago. As an adjunct professor at WCL, he teaches courses in government secrecy law and served as Executive Director of the school's Collaboration on Government Secrecy (CGS). In 1981, after a judicial clerkship and serving as a Justice Department trial attorney, he was appointed to the position of founding director of the Department's Office of Information and Privacy (OIP). For more than a quarter-century in that position, he guided all federal agencies on the government-wide administration of the Freedom of Information Act, directly supervised the defense of more than 500 FOIA and Privacy Act lawsuits in district and appellate courts, testified before Congress on FOIA amendment legislation and authored Attorney General FOIA memoranda for successive presidential administrations, and met with representatives of nearly 100 nations and international governing bodies as they considered the development and implementation of their own government transparency laws. He became a career member of the Senior Executive Service in 1984, the youngest Justice Department attorney then and since to hold such a position.


In 2010, Professor Metcalfe was appointed as a member of the World Bank's Access to Information Appeals Board, an independent tribunal empowered to make final decisions on appeals taken under the Bank's new worldwide information disclosure policy, together with board members from India and France holding final authority to order the public disclosure of World Bank records. In 2009, he was a member of the U.S. delegation to the Inaugural Sino-American Dialogue on Rule of Law and Human Rights in China, followed up by further dialogues in Xiemen and Beijing in 2010 and New York in 2011, and he has given dozens of presentations on international transparency around the world. On behalf of CGS, he has testified before both the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and the Senate Judiciary Committee as an expert on governmentwide FOIA administration and the proper implementation of new FOIA policy. Most recently, he was elected as a Fellow of the National Academy of Public Administration and successfully litigated a Privacy Act lawsuit on behalf of Department of Justice Honors Program applicants who were subjected to a corrupt political screening process during the tenure of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Professor Metcalfe has held positions as an Honorary Senior Research Fellow at University College London and as a contributing editor of the Administrative Law & Regulatory News publication of the American Bar Association's Section of Administrative Law, for which he received its exceptional service award in 2014. He also has served as a consultant to the Administrative Conference of the United States (ACUS) since its official re-establishment in 2010.

https://www.wcl.american.edu/faculty/metcalfe/
 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
28. You left out Psychic
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

He can see so clearly into the future that he spells out what exactly will happen and when!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
27. Metcalf oversaw FOIA being put in place originally at DoJ.
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

He was Head of its Office of Information and Privacy. So he is "the authority" on FOIA regs.

I think he has it analyzed right, but there's no way an establishment substitute is going to be accepted for Sanders. The entire election season to come would be protests if they did that. It simply won't fly.

The party insiders' punishment for allowing her to run, is President Sanders. They should just realize that, and not make the whole mess (which they created) worse. The party has allowed this Primary to go on under false pretenses. Many who voted for HRC would not have done so if the party had not covered up the truth, which the party KNEW about last year. They knew because it was in the major papers.

It's time for the party to do the right thing, instead of playing more games. We'll see if they can manage that.

WhiteTara

(30,266 posts)
29. How many times are you going to post this story?
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

I've seen this several times over the past week or so. It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas.

yodermon

(6,149 posts)
31. If "party elders" just force Biden, Kerry, or whomever onto the ballot
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

I believe that would release Bernie from his pledge of not to run 3rd party. It's grossly unfair and undemocratic, and if Dems did that, only Bernie would come out as the viable candidate.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
32. If the party leadership (and I use the term lightly) pulled something like that...
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

...they'd be dooming the party to irrelevance. The revolt would utterly splinter the party.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
33. Biden or Kerry? How about Humphrey
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

or Mondale or Dukakis or Geraldine Ferraro or Al Gore or Joe Lieberman or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? Dog help us.

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