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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:25 AM May 2016

Will Jerry Brown help steal election for Clinton because he wants position in Clinton Administration

Hasn't Jerry Brown always been the ultimate progressive, fighting against Bill Clinton in the primary, working to expose corrupt elites like the Clintons?

Now it turns out he will endorse Hillary and we are being asked if we support him being in the Clinton Administration.

WTF!!!

Sure California mainly votes by mail, paper ballots....however they are fed through a counting system designed for fraud.

This is how they will steal the election and Americans need to ask why this system is set up for fraud and demand they fix this corrupt system before the primary.


This report summarizes the results of our review of the GEMS election management system, which counts approximately 25 percent of all votes in the United States. The results of this study demonstrate that a fractional vote feature is embedded in each GEMS application which can be used to invisibly, yet radically, alter election outcomes by pre-setting desired vote percentages to redistribute votes. This tampering is not visible to election observers, even if they are standing in the room and watching the computer. Use of the decimalized vote feature is unlikely to be detected by auditing or canvass procedures, and can be applied across large jurisdictions in less than 60 seconds.

GEMS vote-counting systems are and have been operated under five trade names: Global Election Systems, Diebold Election Systems, Premier Election Systems, Dominion Voting Systems, and Election Systems & Software, in addition to a number of private regional subcontractors. At the time of this writing, this system is used statewide in Alaska, Connecticut, Georgia, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Utah and Vermont, and for counties in Arizona, (upcoming) California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming. It is also used in Canada.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512017617
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Will Jerry Brown help steal election for Clinton because he wants position in Clinton Administration (Original Post) J_J_ May 2016 OP
I'm fairly certain that Gov Brown Fresh_Start May 2016 #1
Come on... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Actor May 2016 #102
Good gosh. A conspiracy theory a week before the vote. tonyt53 May 2016 #2
who designed fractional voting software? one person? a team of people? J_J_ May 2016 #17
Just fix the f'ing election process already. It's an embarrassment. highprincipleswork May 2016 #57
BoBers are losing it workinclasszero May 2016 #77
Good gosh, pre eminent libel. What has this once august board come to ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #4
yeah it's weird- the whole site started over the stolen election 2000 J_J_ May 2016 #20
what a difference embracing PNAC makes reddread May 2016 #32
the 2016 Democratic nomination wasn't stolen, Bernie just lost nt geek tragedy May 2016 #82
Neo Free Republic workinclasszero May 2016 #80
Insert facepalm meme here. nt sufrommich May 2016 #5
No that's Alex's job. ucrdem May 2016 #6
Under the bus Jerry goes! Tarc May 2016 #7
I am hoping that once Hillary becomes he nominee, these Sanders fans will be as riversedge May 2016 #12
Good luck with that CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #61
I see you finally get it. Bohunk68 May 2016 #85
Making up silly posts is becoming a silly past time for Sanders fans. riversedge May 2016 #8
what else to do..? beachbum bob May 2016 #15
They could take up gardening or learn to play the guitar. Plant one tomato vine. Play one note. LuvLoogie May 2016 #42
So, all the votes have been cast and the election is over. Bohunk68 May 2016 #87
ALCOA! FSogol May 2016 #9
Gonna need more Arkansas Granny May 2016 #59
What a ludicrous claim in the OP regards Jerry Brown. PufPuf23 May 2016 #10
Nope Robbins May 2016 #34
Brown was complimentary regards Sanders and Sander's quest in his letter. PufPuf23 May 2016 #39
Supporting CLinton at primary even now is endorsing her corporist neocon ways Robbins May 2016 #41
I wish that Brown had waited until after the convention and CA primary before an endorsement. PufPuf23 May 2016 #45
You objected to Alan Grayson's endorsement of Sanders before the Florida Primary, right? brooklynite May 2016 #67
I am not particulary a supporter of Grayson. PufPuf23 May 2016 #84
Your desperate, mean-spirited, bitter, and disgraceful response to this endorsement is noted. hrmjustin May 2016 #11
I see no one trashing Brown but me, but he definitely deserves it, what a sellout J_J_ May 2016 #30
hey now GET IN LINE! reddread May 2016 #33
If Jerry Brown was in a Hillary cabinet that would be a good thing. He's a great leader & honest. think May 2016 #13
he is a vicious "leader" reddread May 2016 #36
I used to admire him til I saw him screaming "SHUT UP!!" to his cheering fans. Peregrine Took May 2016 #78
I would estimate that perhaps you do not recall a former CA governor, who told Bohunk68 May 2016 #90
this is now. reddread May 2016 #94
What a sewer the BS cheerleaders have turned this place into n/t SFnomad May 2016 #14
Jerry Brown is one of our best. DCBob May 2016 #16
exactly. I couldnt have said it better. reddread May 2016 #37
Is this the subject of the latest fundraising email nt. Trenzalore May 2016 #18
Most likely Hillary is sending this out as an email to get donations J_J_ May 2016 #35
Yes, Hillary is all powerful and can orchestrate all her endorsements WhiteTara May 2016 #40
All she has to do is offer something in return J_J_ May 2016 #44
well if you think that Brown is such a sell out WhiteTara May 2016 #46
Wow! So Brown endorses Clinton thucythucy May 2016 #89
Yeah, it's all a giant conspiracy. Beacool May 2016 #75
The obligatory preemptive conspiracy thread...you know, just in case Sanders loses. Garrett78 May 2016 #19
The way Hillary people and media attempt to manufacture consent every day J_J_ May 2016 #23
Oregon fits the profile of a Sanders state. Garrett78 May 2016 #38
LOL, cute, but somebody may have beat you to it. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #108
*sigh*... SidDithers May 2016 #21
Oh man.. now I can't stop thinking about how easy it is to rig elections Joob May 2016 #22
it would be so easy to safeguard- we shouldn't even have to question the validity J_J_ May 2016 #28
what a petty thing to come up with Sheepshank May 2016 #24
Whether he does or not nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25
Excuses before the loss KingFlorez May 2016 #26
The Sanders camp needs to let go of the paranoia Renew Deal May 2016 #27
See Tom Hayden's endorsement of HIllary for reality-based clues BeyondGeography May 2016 #29
Pretty silly post, consider self-deleting as it is embarrassing for Sanders supporters. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #31
The Kinks said it best backing in 1981.... Paranoia will destroy ya... Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #43
Trifecta--premptive excuse for losing, lame conspiracy theory, and smearing a great progressive geek tragedy May 2016 #47
Back in 2008 twenty CA. counties scrapped their electronic Lodestar May 2016 #48
Welcome to DEMOCRATIC underground where trashing Democrats is what we do best. seabeyond May 2016 #49
Is there no one free from the scandalous accusations and scorn by Bernie's hardcore supporters? LonePirate May 2016 #50
Has Sanders lost a primary that wasn't stolen ? You embarrass yourself. Trust Buster May 2016 #51
Jerry Brown is 78 years old. Gomez163 May 2016 #52
Folks...this is what brainwashing looks like. Amazing. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #53
No Bernie will lose CA all by himself he doesn't need any help upaloopa May 2016 #54
Yeah it is all a conspiracy. Obviously you didn't even read his endorsement, have no idea still_one May 2016 #55
Let me guess, it's rigged? Is Jerry in the tank with Wall Street too? The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #56
Scraping the bottom of the barrel to prove there's even more crap underneath Blue_Adept May 2016 #58
VRRRROOOOOOMMMM! Here comes the Bernie Bus. nt BootinUp May 2016 #60
I think he honestly thinks she's a good choice. No secondary gain involved. hollowdweller May 2016 #62
Bill Clinton met with Jerry Brown for 90 minutes in Sacramento on 5-23-16 senz May 2016 #63
Well that's a clue that some arm-twisting was done and treats may have been promised... KoKo May 2016 #66
That's how the Clintons operate. senz May 2016 #68
As the article points out, Clinton campaigned for Brown in 2010. Garrett78 May 2016 #70
He's had a big change of heart since '92 where he accused Bill KoKo May 2016 #71
The fences were mended years ago. Garrett78 May 2016 #74
Accusing a progressive Democratic Governor of committing a crime... brooklynite May 2016 #64
Progressive? Yes. Fracking Advocate? Double Yes! corbettkroehler May 2016 #65
Four term governor of the largest state in the union is the pinnacle of anybody's career. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #103
Anyone accusing Brown of corruption is sniffing glue. Starry Messenger May 2016 #69
Just one more of them that has lost my respect. This campaign is flushing them out of hiding. pdsimdars May 2016 #72
Steal election for Clinton????????? Beacool May 2016 #73
In a post from Sunday... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #107
"Steal"? workinclasszero May 2016 #76
My IQ dropped about 10 points from reading this OP. What a fucking moron. tritsofme May 2016 #79
+1 DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #86
He's what, 78? bluestateguy May 2016 #81
Wow. Eko May 2016 #83
OMG, now folks don't like jerry brown. if this keeps up okieinpain May 2016 #88
This OP is a great example of why the superdelegates will NEVER swing ecstatic May 2016 #91
This! Excellent summation. grossproffit May 2016 #96
So your relentless whining, name calling, disgusting accusations and conspiracy theories are fine AgingAmerican May 2016 #97
You nailed it. Thoroughly and completely Number23 Jun 2016 #109
Could be but I know that I don't need Brown or anybody else telling me who to vote for. Bernie is Live and Learn May 2016 #92
We only steal elections when necessary. NCTraveler May 2016 #93
my husb and I live in CA: Jerry Brown Is NO Progressive, Believe Me amborin May 2016 #95
"Believe me..." ecstatic May 2016 #98
Amazing to get from "ultimate progressive" to vote stealing criminal in so few steps Orangepeel May 2016 #99
Thanks for the latest INSANE conspiracy theory. RBInMaine May 2016 #100
Already setting up the excuses? annavictorious May 2016 #101
every time Sanders loses MFM008 May 2016 #104
In other words, polls show Bernie losing BainsBane May 2016 #105
Yep, Sanders doesn't lose fair and square. He only loses when there's a conspiracy afoot. Beacool May 2016 #106

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. I'm fairly certain that Gov Brown
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

isn't involved in the counting or certification process.
But keep smearing Democrats...its bound to be the path to success for Trump

Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
17. who designed fractional voting software? one person? a team of people?
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:45 AM
May 2016

Clearly there was a conspiracy to steal our elections.

Why is this a feature in our election counting software?
 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
20. yeah it's weird- the whole site started over the stolen election 2000
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

and now people pretend like election fraud doesn't exist.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
32. what a difference embracing PNAC makes
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:14 AM
May 2016

hail hail
the new world order
hail hail
electronic demockracy

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
7. Under the bus Jerry goes!
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

Every endorser of Bernie is a sacred visionary that has seen the light of His Goodness!

Every endorser of Hillary is a craven, lying, vote-rigging shill who shall be denounced to the Nine Heavens and the Seven Seas!

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
12. I am hoping that once Hillary becomes he nominee, these Sanders fans will be as
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

good at smearing Trump as they have been at smearing Hillary this last year.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
61. Good luck with that
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

The Berners here can't bring themselves to do it. I'm not sure some of them even know how to criticize the GOP.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
87. So, all the votes have been cast and the election is over.
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

My, my. Better tell those states that haven't had an election yet, that November is not needed. They will save tons of money.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
10. What a ludicrous claim in the OP regards Jerry Brown.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)

Jerry Brown just endorsed Hillary Clinton and stated specifically to derail Trump.

Brown was also complimentary of Sanders (who I support but also am realistic).

I would like Brown to have a role in national politics regardless of who is POTUS.

edit: put an "a" in what of title

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
34. Nope
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

brown attacked Bernie and all he stands for by endorsing clinton and say she will get more done.she won't do anything progressive
like.

Establishment think we bernie supporters are so stupid they will just vote clinton if they give fake complements to bernie.

Next year with eather CLinton or trump In white house bernie will be one of few who fight the right wing corporate push of
CLinton or trump.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
39. Brown was complimentary regards Sanders and Sander's quest in his letter.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

I do not support Clinton because Clinton lacks character and is more about dismantling past Democratic economic victories by favoring neo-liberal and neo-conservative policy and individuals.

I am not as synched with Brown as I was 20 plus years ago. Brown would have made a great POTUS at one time.

In general I agree with you. I don't think Brown would purposely be involved in voting irregularity.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
41. Supporting CLinton at primary even now is endorsing her corporist neocon ways
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

Like Elizabeth warren if he would have waited till after convention i would have said nothing then but he sold out.

Maybe Brown won't do what others have done.

Clinton is almost as dangeras as trump in different ways.her corporate neoliberal agenta aswell as her being a neocon are huge
threat.and way too many dems are fine with her agenda.

dems would have been better off if Brown and not CLinton 1 had won.so this is so disappointing.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
45. I wish that Brown had waited until after the convention and CA primary before an endorsement.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)

I actively supported Brown for POTUS in 76, 80, and 92.

The 70s-80s versions of Brown (and Ron Dellums) were probably my most favored pols ever as a voter.

I have been far too frequently disappointed in the older Brown and wish that Brown did not endorse Hillary Clinton at all.

Brown differs from most pols in that he has great skills in actual governance.

The younger Brown would have been a great POTUS.

If you read my posts, I have stated time and time again that Clinton is a neo-liberal and a neo-conservative and this is more than enough reason for Clinton to not be POTUS.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
84. I am not particulary a supporter of Grayson.
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Was drawn to him at first but for some time have usually ignored anything Grayson at DU and in general.

I understand why Brown just endorsed Hillary Clinton.

I have usually been consistent my time under this screen name and my original screen name.

Grayson is one exception in that he initially had my support and then I came to usually ignore Grayson posts.

I have no recollection that Grayson endorsed Sanders but could have conceivably noted such but don't recall.

I know that all things being equal that I would tend to support Grayson over a neo-liberal but again Grayson is not a particularly savory character to me.

Grayson is nothing compared to Jerry Brown. Like Brown, I have voted many times for Boxer but was disappointed by what happened in NV. Looked like a set up to me and I do not like Democratic leadership insulting large components of the Democratic party base.

You may have noticed in another thread today that I criticized the NRDC Action Fund endorsement of Hillary Clinton.

Why?

The NRDC (and affiliated) NRDC Action Fund is not the same nor as grassroots as the NRDC of the 1970s and 1980s but has the brand today. More than 85% of the donations to NRDC Action Fund go to NRDCAF W-2 employees that earn more than $200,000 to nearly $500,000 per year as professional environmentalists. This is not in the spirit of the original NRDC. The endorsement buys access. The NRDC provides cover for this access.

I noted that Plan Colombia, Colombia Free Trade, the huge amount Colombia coal mined and exported by privately held Drummond Coal - the largest single beneficiary of Colombia free trade and militarization - , and USA military in Colombia are severely counter to the transition from coal to natural gas to clean renewable energy in Hillary Clinton's environmental policy as stated on the Clinton campaign website and elsewhere.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
11. Your desperate, mean-spirited, bitter, and disgraceful response to this endorsement is noted.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

All you guys trashing Brown show is that it is not about principle for you but vengeance and peer pressure.

Who can post the most over the top op to look better in the eyes of the Bernie or bust people here.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
30. I see no one trashing Brown but me, but he definitely deserves it, what a sellout
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

He sold out long ago however, he was horrible to Oakland with his support of the police state.

He also supported the police who shot a protester in the head, what a great guy.
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
33. hey now GET IN LINE!
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

that guy and his sister and his dad started out Republicans,
and listening to his sister's failed campaign rhetoric nothing changed
but the label.
lobbying for offshore drilling in MARINE SANCTUARIES?

unbelievable.

family traditions. good thing we arent protesting for free speech. there would be shooting.

http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/archives/la-me-edmund-g-pat-brown-19960217-story.html

 

think

(11,641 posts)
13. If Jerry Brown was in a Hillary cabinet that would be a good thing. He's a great leader & honest.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

I wish I could say the same about Hillary....

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
36. he is a vicious "leader"
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

the most violent reprisals to anti-war protests and to peaceful Occupy and student led demonstrations?
Jerry Brown.
sure, they threw a lot of underlings out there to take the blame,
but
figure it out.

Peregrine Took

(7,413 posts)
78. I used to admire him til I saw him screaming "SHUT UP!!" to his cheering fans.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

Guy is just weird.

Has he ever smiled or just grinned in his life? Maybe once but I doubt it.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
90. I would estimate that perhaps you do not recall a former CA governor, who told
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

his aide about anti-war protestors, to let the blood flow in the streets. That was Rotten Ronnie and Meese. Far more violent than what we have evidently not seen in the rest of the country.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
35. Most likely Hillary is sending this out as an email to get donations
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

Obviously the whole thing is orchestrated to convince Bernie supporters to give it up.

The Dem elite think we just follow party leaders, and since 'progressive' Boxer failed so miserably, they thought maybe Jerry Brown would do better.

WhiteTara

(29,703 posts)
40. Yes, Hillary is all powerful and can orchestrate all her endorsements
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

She is able to bend all people to her will and they don't have an ounce of personal power to make their own decisions.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
44. All she has to do is offer something in return
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

What a coincidence that someone posted this...

Do you think Jerry Brown would make a terrific Attorney General in a Clinton administration?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512093052

WhiteTara

(29,703 posts)
46. well if you think that Brown is such a sell out
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

then your candidate wouldn't want his endorsement anyway.

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
89. Wow! So Brown endorses Clinton
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

and someone on Democratic Underground posts an on-line poll, and you see this as evidence of some nefarious quid pro quo?

This place has become very weird indeed.

So if I post an on-line poll here, asking if Susan Sarandon or Alan Grayson might be a good pick for a post in a Bernie administration, you'd see that as evidence of corruption as well?

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
75. Yeah, it's all a giant conspiracy.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

Anything but face the reality that more Democrats want Hillary to be the nominee than they want Sanders.

Losing sucks, but at some point in time, rational people accept reality.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
23. The way Hillary people and media attempt to manufacture consent every day
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:57 AM
May 2016

It seems they don't really have the consent of the people.

No one in California really believes that Hillary is leading in the court of public opinion like the corporate media claims with their fake polls.

Remember how they told us Hillary would blowout Sanders in Oregon?

That is called manufacturing consent.

They have to lie because they are stealing the election and it is apparent that no one actually likes Hillary.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
38. Oregon fits the profile of a Sanders state.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

And if "they" said Clinton would blow out Sanders in Oregon, then why didn't she? After all, the election is rigged, right?

Joob

(1,065 posts)
22. Oh man.. now I can't stop thinking about how easy it is to rig elections
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

What are the safeguards?
Who are the safeguards?
Who checks all the votes?
Do machines check the votes?
Why don't we have video recording of the whole process in 2016?

We wouldn't have this problem if people didn't want to be secretive about who they vote for. I mean, it's ridiculous if you think about it. You're voting for the leader of your country there should be nothing you should be ashamed of and harassment by anyone should be dealt with by the law.

Then we can just verify a lot easier.

Whatever I'm just throwing out ideas because these voting machines don't sound good at all.


Last idea, and this one I think is okay. After you vote, you get like a receipt of a number that represents how many votes have been counted, you being the most recent, with the time and it shows who you voted for but not your name.


Later you can check on a .gov website to make sure your vote counted for who you voted for, and it'll show all the other numbers.



So you just look for your number, if it's right Great! Awesome! No way it's rigged!

If it's wrong, you have proof!

And use things (just like money) so anything fake would be easily identifible and treat your number like important paperwork.


Voting is serious matter and should be treated seriously. We have the Technology, we have the resources.

That's a very simple idea that would be fullproof. And no one would still know who you vote for, though it's arcane to me why people still want that. It's nothing anyone should be embarassed, threatened or feel bad about.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
28. it would be so easy to safeguard- we shouldn't even have to question the validity
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

Whoever set up this system where we have to 'just trust them' did it for a reason obviously.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Whether he does or not
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

Though he is not close to the counting, I don't expect my pretend vote to count as cast. That ended this year. It started in 2000...

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
27. The Sanders camp needs to let go of the paranoia
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

According to too many Sanders supporters:
If Bernie wins, election was fair.
If Bernie loses, ELECTION FRAUD.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
29. See Tom Hayden's endorsement of HIllary for reality-based clues
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

as to why Brown endorsed her.

http://www.thenation.com/article/i-used-to-support-bernie-but-then-i-changed-my-mind/t

They're in there, I promise. The passage on fracktivist overreach is particularly interesting:

 The arguments among environmentalists are the deepest and most frustrating of any I’ve seen for 40 years—but they’re important to understand. Along the way, there have been historic achievements. Our environmental-justice movement, with the leadership of state Senator Kevin De León, wrote into law a requirement that 25 percent of billions in California’s cap-and-trade dollars would go to benefit disadvantaged communities, such as the Central Valley and South Central LA, many of which are predominantly of color. Nearly $300 million began pouring into such communities on a yearly basis. California is spending $120 billion over four years on clean energy, the largest such investment in the country. We also passed the first divestment-from-coal bill in history. Under Brown’s leadership, California created a Global Green Bloc of states and regions, from Canada to China to Europe and Latin America, building a zero-emissions or low-emissions economic powerhouse. A 2014 report found that there are 200,000 clean-energy jobs in the state, surpassing jobs in the fossil-fuels industry.

But the fracking debate continues to leave permanent scars. Despite the governor’s historically high approval ratings, the fracktivists take every media opportunity to thrash him personally. They rack up names on online petitions, but so far have failed to gain political traction. Their apocalyptic view has only worsened. In addition to personally attacking Brown, whose approval rating is 56 percent, they have brutally attacked NRDC and “establishment” environmentalists for not achieving a moratorium in California. Their tactics build their online membership, but turn off or confuse more mainstream Californians.

The Democratic primary may deepen this antagonism and result in defections among Hillary supporters. Hillary wants limits on fracking: a ban where individual states have blocked it, like in New York; safeguards against children’s and family exposures; a ban where releases of methane or contamination of ground water are proven; and full disclosure of the chemicals used in the process. Bernie’s position is that he’s simply against all fracking.

But Hillary’s position goes beyond what virtually any state has done.
The New York Times writes that she “has pledged to end subsidies to the fossil fuel industry to pay for her ambitious climate plan” and intends to install 500 million solar collectors in four years. If and when Obama’s Clean Power Plan is upheld in the federal courts, now a likelihood after Justice Scalia’s death, that will bring a even greater change.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
31. Pretty silly post, consider self-deleting as it is embarrassing for Sanders supporters.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

However, I noticed that Jerry Brown's "endorsement" was as close as he could come to not endorsing. In fact he didn't even endorse her! He only said that the only viable option was to vote for her to stop Trump. Hardly a ringing endorsement. At least he is honest.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. Trifecta--premptive excuse for losing, lame conspiracy theory, and smearing a great progressive
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

Democrat.

14 more days of this nonsense.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
48. Back in 2008 twenty CA. counties scrapped their electronic
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

voting machines in favor of paper ballots. Don't know if they
have since returned to electronic voting, but paper ballots
are still an option. At the very least there ought to be, by law,
a civilian panel that oversees all voting equipment and processes.

20 Calif. Counties Scrap Electronic Vote Machines
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18672642

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
50. Is there no one free from the scandalous accusations and scorn by Bernie's hardcore supporters?
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:54 AM
May 2016

It is ludicrous to make this claim against Brown. I think it is even worthy of a hide.

Bernie is a great man but his irrational, unhinged, conspiracy theorizing supporters diverged from reality a long time ago.

still_one

(92,134 posts)
55. Yeah it is all a conspiracy. Obviously you didn't even read his endorsement, have no idea
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

about Jerry Brown, and our obviously are not from California

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
62. I think he honestly thinks she's a good choice. No secondary gain involved.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

I don't agree with him, but I don't feel the need to smear him just because he has a difft opinion.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
68. That's how the Clintons operate.
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

Brown is a man of integrity, but there may be things he fears or wants very much, and Bill Clinton has the resources to play that game.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
70. As the article points out, Clinton campaigned for Brown in 2010.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

So, I don't think any arm-twisting was necessary.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
71. He's had a big change of heart since '92 where he accused Bill
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

of funneling money through Hillary's Law Firm.

The video was just posted on MSNBC of Jerry going after Bill. So the fences were mended ...but, treats still were possibly handed out in that 90 minute meeting.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
74. The fences were mended years ago.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

It's certainly possible Brown will be part of Clinton's cabinet. Time will tell. But, again, I don't think there was any arm-twisting. A full 6 years ago Clinton was campaigning for Brown.

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
64. Accusing a progressive Democratic Governor of committing a crime...
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:24 PM
May 2016

...par for the course these days.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
65. Progressive? Yes. Fracking Advocate? Double Yes!
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

This is all about securing a high post in a Clinton White House because he has gone as far as he can in politics.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
72. Just one more of them that has lost my respect. This campaign is flushing them out of hiding.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

Lots of people talk progressive, but this election is showing who really BELIEVES what they are talking.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
73. Steal election for Clinton?????????
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:17 PM
May 2016

Only in Sanders' world does he win the nomination. Even if he won CA he would still lose the nomination.

Instead of the perpetual conspiracy theories, how about dealing with reality? More Democrats have voted for Hillary than have voted for Sanders, that's the reason why she will be the party's nominee.

This place has become the LW version of the Freepers, just as nutty.......

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
107. In a post from Sunday...
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

I mentioned how friends who are dyed in the wool Bernie supporters have been accused by other dyed in the wool Bernie supporters of being sell-outs, oligarch lovers, naive and just being "turned on" in general because they DARED disagree with how they're increasingly not liking the way (Sanders) is running his campaign the past month. Several of my friends who are Bernie supporters are now not doing phone banking, donating, going door to door etc. now, and no longer show up at the headquarters due to the animosity there building up, so instead they've scaled back all their Sanders activity and throwing their support to Hillary Clinton. Some just quit and are not voting at ALL which I hate, but hey. A person has the right to not vote if they don't want to. We're all adults (I'd hope) with our own minds. The almost arguments and animosity they tell me they feel is so sad to hear about. I'm just listening on the phone to all of my Bernie supporter friends who are going through IT with fellow Bernie supporters.

I can remember being on the "other" side in 2008 as a Hillary supporter, and how although I was sad/disappointed that increasingly it appeared that she was NOT going to win the Dem nomination then (And she was actually not as far behind Sen. Obama as Bernie's behind Hillary at this point), but I realized that Senator Obama was going to win and that he'd bested Hillary & Co. and ran a FINE campaign. I mean, from then Senator Obama's canvassers to his phone banking/calling cell phone strategy netting younger voters who'd not normally be reached by land line was 1st class, and his masterstroke of caucusing--well--all of those things added up and it was the old ball game for Hillary (the enthusiasm didn't hurt either . It had to be to beat the Clinton's machinery at the time. I made a decision that shortly after Hillary officially dropped out of the race, that I needed to throw my support fully behind Sen. Obama. although still hurting but I did. Now, were there bitter moments between the Obama & Clinton camps? Absolutely, but I don't remember anything as nasty and contentious as what's going on between the Clinton and Sanders camps--at least here--on DU. I remember back then, friends who were Obama supporters never chided me or 'threw up' anything in my face about Sen. Obama beating Hillary Clinton. But then again, I wouldn't associate with folks who were like that, and yes we had disagreements and the language got salty at times, but we're still friends here 8 years later.

Me and friends are very passionate in our beliefs, and me and my buddies had every right to question each others candidate as we were ALL super stoked about either Sen. Obama (1st black POTUS, and about Hillary 1st woman who could be POTUS), and like I said at times we got close to arguing with each other, but we dialed it back and realized that we had 2 great candidates running for POTUS and to see the bigger picture. Me and my friends kept most of our differences straight/ironed out. But never once did any of us get nasty with one another. But this year is an extremely volatile one in politics as we can SEE, especially with Trump on the other side who could really do major damage as I see it to the gains we've made as Dems the past 30 or more years, and to hear directly from several of my Bernie supporter friends telling me that other Bernie supporters are turning on THEM to the point of not speaking to them because they said they'll throw their support behind Hillary Clinton in the GE is well, sad but it is what it is, and yes I'm stoked about Hillary this year but not rubbing it in my friends who are Sanders supporters faces. Never that. Never

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
79. My IQ dropped about 10 points from reading this OP. What a fucking moron.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

It'll be great when the Trump fanboys are shown the door.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
88. OMG, now folks don't like jerry brown. if this keeps up
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

there isn't going to be any dems left to vote for bernie.

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
91. This OP is a great example of why the superdelegates will NEVER swing
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

to Bernie, even if he is the last candidate standing. You guys have no idea how annoying the relentless whining, name calling, disgusting accusations, and conspiracy theories come across. It's like nails on a chalkboard. That's why the SDs want nothing to do with Bernie. He is the ringleader of the madness.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
97. So your relentless whining, name calling, disgusting accusations and conspiracy theories are fine
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

As far as the Super Delegates are concerned?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
92. Could be but I know that I don't need Brown or anybody else telling me who to vote for. Bernie is
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

the only ethical choice running as a Democrat.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
99. Amazing to get from "ultimate progressive" to vote stealing criminal in so few steps
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

He should be supporting Bernie, but he's not, so it must be because he was bought, so he must be going to fix California's voting machines and steal the election!



It couldn't possibly be that he actually supports Hillary, or even just that he believes Hillary is certain to be the nominee and that Trump will be a disaster. No, it must be that he's a crook.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
101. Already setting up the excuses?
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

The governor will not "steal" the election for anyone.

At this point, Sanders's supporters are worse than the birthers.

But 'way to go on persuading super delegate Brown to support your candidate.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
104. every time Sanders loses
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016


oh please,

isn't this getting embarrassing?
Let the people of California vote and then say if it goes for HRC it MUST be
fraud or conspiracy.
We have now run out of states on June 7 for this nonsense.
(D.C. not being a state and it will go big for HRC anyway)

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
105. In other words, polls show Bernie losing
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

and you've decided to gin up the conspiracy theories early because to acknowledge that anyone but Bernie supporters have a right to participate in electing their leaders through the ballot box is something that you refuse to acknowledge.

Chances are very good Bernie will lose California, and the reason for that lies in the demographics of the state. If voting patterns are consistent with other elections throughout the country, Clinton will win.

Then there is the fact Clinton is likely to clinch the nomination by passing 2383 even before the polls close in California. Accepting that fact, however, requires respect for democracy rather than an ethos premised on imposing your own wishes and interests over the majority, against their electoral consent.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
106. Yep, Sanders doesn't lose fair and square. He only loses when there's a conspiracy afoot.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

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In states where he has lost, the results have been contested more often than not. If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny.

It's almost cult like, how can people fail to see the greatness of their chosen candidate? Their only answer seems to be that something crooked had to have happened for him to lose. In the South, where he got a drubbing, the "Confederate" states were duly dismissed. In MA it was blamed on Bill shaking hands. In NV a semi-riot started at the state convention, although Hillary had won the state by several points. KY was made to recount votes.

I don't recall Hillary's campaign contesting any state where she lost.

Then there's the undemocratic strategy proposed by his two weasels (Weaver and Devine), fully endorsed by Sanders himself, that super delegates should discount Hillary's large pledged delegate advantage in favor of Sanders because of match-up results that mean nothing this early on.

He's now actually lying to his supporters. He said at the rally he held today that if he wins CA, when he goes to the convention, he would leave with the Democratic nomination. Only in Sanders' parallel world will that event take place.

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