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Tue May 31, 2016, 10:17 AM

 

ENOUGH! MY *PATRIOTISM* TRUMPS PARTY LOYALTY!!!

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by LostOne4Ever (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

And yes, I am using ALL CAPS in that subject line, because I have SERIOUSLY had ENOUGH of the snide obnoxious comments coming from certain members of this board who don't want to have any SUBSTANTIVE discussions about HILLARY CLINTON'S JUDGMENT!!!

I am currently a Bernie supporter, but for three decades I have voted for Democratic presidential candidates. I am not stupid. I know Trump is a disaster-waiting-to-happen...

And Hillary Clinton's EPIC BAD DECISION MAKING scares me as much as Donald Trump!!!

She supported the Iraq War, and didn't hold the REPUBLICAN administration accountable for LYING us into it (despite that duty as "loyal opposition in a two party system". She was on the wrong side of marriage equality. The policies she advocated and implemented while Secretary of State created more chaos and death world wide than doing nothing, and that doesn't include planetary environmental concerns created with her promoting "fracking" as a global export.

But it is the "email and private server" situation that has me saying ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NO!!! because it demonstrates the CORROSIVE EFFECT her personal beliefs and management style would have on the government transparency necessary for democracy in this country:

Per the spin, Hillary Clinton valued her PRIVACY and (maybe?) CONVENIENCE more than not only POSSIBLE dangers to NATIONAL SECURITY, but also FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT LAWS.

PRIVACY and CONVENIENCE: Those are not the actions of a person I am willing to make "Commander In Chief" of people who have agreed to put their LIVES IN DANGER in service to this country.

IGNORING RULES and COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS: Those are not the actions of a person I am willing to put in charge of the NSA, CIA, FBI and DOJ, where ETHICS AND INTEGRITY are absolute requirements.

THREATENING and IGNORING THOSE WHO SPEAK "TRUTH TO POWER": Those are not the actions of a person I am willing to put in charge of ANYBODY. When subject matter experts are ignored or people FEAR coming forward as whistleblowers or when protections like "Inspector General" positions are intentionally left vacant or when people who catch government officials in wrongdoing either end up in jail or have to flee the country, I want those issues FIXED, and I don't mean by silencing the reports - I mean FIXED so that the next people in line don't decide not to report problems.

LYING: Life is too short to spend time parsing the words of someone whose words can't be trusted. The willingness to sacrifice the loyalty of supporters because of a fear of TRANSPARENCY while avoiding PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and obfuscating on issues is completely unacceptable. Every Hillary supporter on this board who believed her when she said she was "following the rules" and "everybody else had private servers" is owed an apology from her because believing her lies made them look like idiots.

SERVICE TO OTHERS: This is a Representative Democracy. The people we elect are there in service to others. The "Federal Records Act" and "FOIA" are intended to provide institutional knowledge and historical information. There is no question Hillary Clinton, for unknown personal reasons, was working to make sure the records she and her staff created were not part of that public record. That is a Red Flag they are doing something wrong. Obviously, one needs to double check "ignorance and stupidity" are not involved, but after that, "judgment, ethics and behavior" follow, and FAIL in those categories is written all over this episode.

The State Department is NOT a "PRIVATE BUSINESS" - it is a government department intended to benefit the entire country, and "we the people" are the owners. Every citizen in this country has a right to know what is going on there both currently and historically, with obvious caveats for diplomacy and national security temporarily in place. The same concerns apply to the office of President. Knowledge is Power, and Power in this country belongs to the People.

I am a Democrat, but I am a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN FIRST. I will ALWAYS put the NEEDS of my country over the WANTS of my party, and if "my party" wants me to do anything differently, I will bolt out of the room so fast, it will make your head spin, and then I will take any treasonous bastard who tries to enable such corruption of Democratic principles down as well.

We are currently in "Primary Season" and those of us raising these LEGITIMATE CONCERNS about whether or not ANY CANDIDATE should be allowed the HONOR AND PRIVILEGE of leading this country are doing our PATRIOTIC DUTY AS CITIZENS. It is my privilege to vote, my responsibility to be informed, and my duty to use good judgment.

Hillary or Bernie or Trump or Other: I am not going to support a candidate for President who can't be trusted to safeguard and protect the lives, rights and freedoms of our citizens, our country, and the principles of our democracy.

I am a Democrat. That is what Democrats DO.

And anybody who says differently can go perform inappropriate anatomical acts on themselves.

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Reply ENOUGH! MY *PATRIOTISM* TRUMPS PARTY LOYALTY!!! (Original post)
IdaBriggs May 2016 OP
tonyt53 May 2016 #1
SCantiGOP May 2016 #53
lagomorph777 May 2016 #2
IdaBriggs May 2016 #16
bkkyosemite May 2016 #3
IdaBriggs May 2016 #17
EndElectoral May 2016 #4
IdaBriggs May 2016 #21
J_J_ May 2016 #34
IdaBriggs May 2016 #37
CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #5
leeroysphitz May 2016 #6
IdaBriggs May 2016 #22
Dem2 May 2016 #7
barrow-wight May 2016 #72
KPN May 2016 #77
MineralMan May 2016 #8
alfie May 2016 #20
IdaBriggs May 2016 #23
alfie May 2016 #27
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #38
KPN May 2016 #79
tokenlib May 2016 #9
IdaBriggs May 2016 #24
Octafish May 2016 #10
IdaBriggs May 2016 #25
Joob May 2016 #11
VulgarPoet May 2016 #14
IdaBriggs May 2016 #33
IdaBriggs May 2016 #26
Faux pas May 2016 #12
IdaBriggs May 2016 #28
Sunlei May 2016 #13
IdaBriggs May 2016 #29
onecaliberal May 2016 #15
IdaBriggs May 2016 #31
Arazi May 2016 #18
IdaBriggs May 2016 #32
Sheepshank May 2016 #19
bvf May 2016 #47
Sheepshank May 2016 #56
bvf May 2016 #59
Sheepshank May 2016 #76
VulgarPoet May 2016 #54
barrow-wight May 2016 #73
Trust Buster May 2016 #30
VulgarPoet May 2016 #55
Garrett78 May 2016 #35
IdaBriggs May 2016 #42
The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #36
Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #44
amborin May 2016 #39
IdaBriggs May 2016 #43
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PeaceNikki May 2016 #40
bvf May 2016 #41
Orsino May 2016 #45
nc4bo May 2016 #46
dchill May 2016 #52
vintx May 2016 #62
Mbrow May 2016 #48
Tarc May 2016 #49
EndElectoral May 2016 #50
Tarc May 2016 #51
VulgarPoet May 2016 #57
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #58
vintx May 2016 #60
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #61
Lodestar May 2016 #78
loyalsister May 2016 #63
ucrdem May 2016 #64
VulgarPoet May 2016 #67
ucrdem May 2016 #68
Nonhlanhla May 2016 #65
themaguffin May 2016 #80
NCTraveler May 2016 #66
Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #69
merbex May 2016 #70
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themaguffin May 2016 #81
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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:19 AM

1. You go first. You deserve it.

 

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 01:55 PM

53. Thanks, tonyt

You beat me to it.
I have had this person on Ignore for a long time, but that doesn't stop the frequent (as in, constant) long-winded diatribes from showing up.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:20 AM

2. Trump might randomly trigger wars. Hillary has described the wars she would start.

I would prefer NO wars, thank you very much.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:58 AM

16. Agreed!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:21 AM

3. Very good OP.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #3)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:59 AM

17. Thank you.

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:22 AM

4. Give 'em Hell Ida. Wish I wrote half as eloquently as you.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:02 AM

21. Thank you. I feel very passionate about this topic.

 

Memorial Day being yesterday was a definite reminder of the value our veterans have offered.

Even the POSSIBILITY of endangering national security should have triggered better behavior.

She has shamed us all.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:17 AM

34. I agree completely

 

Thank you for writing this.

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Response to J_J_ (Reply #34)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:22 AM

37. Thank you for your support!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:23 AM

5. You first

 

Only a dolt wouldn't be able to see the difference.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:24 AM

6. Good rant. Fuck 'em if they don't like it. n/t

 

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Response to leeroysphitz (Reply #6)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:03 AM

22. Thank you!

 

And agreed!

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:25 AM

7. Yes, enough!

These rant posts are leaning over the edge of what's reasonable discourse and into some sort of rage syndrome.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:56 PM

72. The inmates really are running the asylum.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:04 PM

77. I didn"t see any rage in the OP.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:25 AM

8. Patriotism and Partisanship Are Two Different Things.

One's political party or political affiliations have next to nothing to do with patriotism. Conflating the two things is simply wrong.

I'm sorry to see you equating patriotism with support for a particular candidate. Please think more about that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:02 AM

20. You are right that the two are different.

You are wrong to think Ida is talking about her support of a particular candidate. She is talking about why she is NOT supporting two particular candidates.

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Response to alfie (Reply #20)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:09 AM

23. ^== This. And this is why I added "Other" to the list.

 

I do not believe Bernie Sanders is the only honest, trustworthy Democrat in the country, but he is the only one currently running for President.

Thank you for clarifying the point for MineralMan.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:11 AM

27. You're welcome. eom

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:23 AM

38. Patriotism can mean rejecting a candidate

who you sincerely believe could cause damage to your country. Partisanship is slamming a candidate you don't like for essentially petty reasons - say, because they visited the Pope or appeared to have groped a model's butt. Patriotism is advocating for a candidate you genuinely believe will benefit your country while advocating against one who you believe will harm it. There is no conflation.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #38)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:06 PM

79. Exactly!

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:26 AM

9. Well said! n/t

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:09 AM

24. Thank you.

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:26 AM

10. Way to go, IdaBriggs!

Democrats speak their mind -- and let others speak theirs.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #10)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:10 AM

25. Thank you!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:27 AM

11. I didn't fight for my Country, I fought for corporations. I don't want that to happen to anyone else

And I will fight corporations putting their money in our politics through the election, past the election, until it is no longer a threat.


K & R


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Response to Joob (Reply #11)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:41 AM

14. Preach. I'm honestly glad I'm getting boarded...

I didn't come in to fight for the toolbag corporations that run this country. For anyone who doesn't like it? Fuck'em.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #14)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:17 AM

33. Thank you, favored poet!

 

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Response to Joob (Reply #11)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:11 AM

26. Thank you for your service, and your support.

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:33 AM

12. BRAVO!!!!!!

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #12)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:12 AM

28. Thank you!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:36 AM

13. /offers cupa hot chocolate & hug. "There, there, everything is going to be ok"

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:14 AM

29. Thank you and I will take it!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:42 AM

15. X10000000

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #15)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:14 AM

31. Thank you!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:00 AM

18. Righteous! Bravo and so very true



Agree with you 100%

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Response to Arazi (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:14 AM

32. Thank you!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:02 AM

19. Funny you should mention Trump, with your massive amounts of bold, CAPS and Italics

 

I can't stand to even look at your NARRATIVE, it looks like one the those extremist nut case religious or propaganda pamphlets where EVERYTHING IS SO IMPORTANT that 50% of the narrative needs to have attention bestowed upon it.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:39 AM

47. Way to address the issue.

 

Criticize the typography, reinforce the OP's point.

Since you want to go there, though, "italics" wasn't a proper noun, last time I checked.

Funny you should mention Trump, with your massive amounts of bold, CAPS and Italics

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Response to bvf (Reply #47)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:21 PM

56. I didn't see any issues

 

As I'd already mentioned, I couldn't read the post.

...as if BSers always read every post and post on message? Don't make me laugh!!

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #56)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:24 PM

59. If you couldn't "read the post"

 

then why are you even in the thread?

I have a guess, and it's a beaut.

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Response to bvf (Reply #59)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:01 PM

76. I simply felt like commenting on the writing style: CAPS, bold, italics in over abundance.

 

I'm wondering if you are so persistent with the typo Nazis that have Bernie avatars?

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:15 PM

54. ...

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #19)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:58 PM

73. ^^^^ THIS!!!

Totally THIS!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:14 AM

30. Then vote for Trump if you prefer him. Stop making it sound like someone is stopping you from

 

voting for the candidate that you prefer.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #30)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:17 PM

55. ...

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:19 AM

35. Patriotism and the Sanders/Anti-War Narrative

I encourage everyone to read what Robert Jensen wrote about the concept of "patriotism" in his book Citizens of the Empire. That chapter used to be available online, but it no longer is unfortunately. For now, you can read this: http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/11/12/goodbye-to-patriotism/.

As for Sanders and the notion that he's soooo much better than Clinton when it comes to foreign policy:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/04/27/kill-a27.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #35)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:31 AM

42. Thank you for sharing these links.

 

I will click through them later.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:21 AM

36. Actually, who cares what you do?

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #36)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:33 AM

44. Well, let's start with people who bother to reply.

 

Derp...

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:25 AM

39. principles, not party or person

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Response to amborin (Reply #39)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:32 AM

43. Agreed! But I *expect* Democratic candidates to align with Democratic values.

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:26 AM

40. .

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:29 AM

41. Perfect.

 

And anybody who says differently can go perform inappropriate anatomical acts on themselves.


They've been doing that for a while now. It would be funny to see, except that American lives hang in the balance. Nothing to laugh about there at all.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:34 AM

45. It can if you like.

Not everyone is going to conflate patrotism with a particular party's or candidate's platform.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:39 AM

46. Righteous rant I'm sure the swarm will descend upon like locusts

But god dammit Democrats, true blue Democrats used to despise pols who do the very things you highlighted in your post

What the everloving hell happened to the Democratic party? !

If this were a Republican, we would be united against him or her.

Just wow at how things change!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #46)

Tue May 31, 2016, 12:48 PM

52. +1,000,001

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #46)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:34 PM

62. It's really disappointing to see blind partisanship take over

 

Like you said, this stuff wasn't up for discussion before. Anyone defending it would be ridden off the site and branded a freeper.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:47 AM

48. Good points IDA

So many take offense that you are against their candidate that they never look at why you are. I've always said HRC would be so much better then tRump, But that Bernie is better then HRC because.... and they never look any further then the because. Any possible scandal aside, just the things she has spoken for and done, well you know this already. Thanks for the post.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 12:34 PM

49. If you sit out the fall because your man didn't win, you're a statistical insignificance

That's all there is to it.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #49)

Tue May 31, 2016, 12:36 PM

50. Yes, Gore felt the same way about Nader voters.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #50)

Tue May 31, 2016, 12:42 PM

51. Nader was a 3rd-party candidate, which Bernie will not be

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Response to Tarc (Reply #49)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:22 PM

57. ...

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:23 PM

58. K to the R



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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:24 PM

60. Thank you. A LOT of Dems do not like/trust her.

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:29 PM

61. "In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place" -Gandhi

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #61)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:05 PM

78. Well in this case the conscience of the majority is in the right place

with Bernie.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:39 PM

63. Where is the loyalty?

To us, I mean.
A candidate who claims to want to serve as president can't bother to follow rules? Most people don't run for office if they have baggage that might compromise their potential to win. Part of the idea being, they have a responsibility to maximize their chances of winning so that they can advocate for the people they claim to care about.
I have been hearing that Hillary will fight for me. Yet, she went out of her way to acquire baggage that compromises her opportunityability to do so.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:47 PM

64. Oh baloney. How many hyper-formatted manifestos did you type up when Snowden and Manning

were making an international laughingstock of US cyber-security? Oh that's right, none, because they were heroes.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #64)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:48 PM

67. So why aren't Petraeus or Clinton heroes?

At least they(Manning and Snowden) did something with the knowledge that we have committed atrocities against other nations, and have been spying on ourselves, rather than futz around for biography fodder or try to evade FOIA.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #67)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:49 PM

68. Maybe they are? Ask the OP.

But my point is that national security doesn't mean zip when libertarian culture heroes are trashing it. It's only when someone the OP doesn't like commits some minor infraction that the "patriotism" reflex kicks in.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:48 PM

65. The verb in your headline sentence is certainly an accurate one.

Because it will be Hillary or Trump. And there is no way of escaping your responsibility in this matter. Vote for one or the other, and you might help the person you vote for win. Refuse to vote, write in Bernie, or vote third party, and you've STILL helped to choose between Hillary and Trump. There are no sidelines. It's an illusion. There is just responsibility to help elect soemone who isn't batshit crazy. Your call.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #65)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:07 PM

80. Exactly. People can't pretend that we're not a 2 party system or...

try to change months before an election.... or think that Bernie can wave a magic wand.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:48 PM

66. SO DOES MINE!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:53 PM

69. I could not agree with you more!

Thank you! for saying it so well! That is exactly it.

Everything in your post is all deal-breakingly bad, but endrunning and voiding the FOIA, intentionally, is a level of scorn for the law, especially one which exists to protect democracy itself, that is simply jaw-dropping in its arrogance.

And then to have the NERVE to run for President after doing all of that? Oh, HELL no! That, in itself, seals that case shut.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:53 PM

70. I know that her actions have crossed my line

You eloquently expressed my feelings and attitude to a T.

Thank you

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:54 PM

71. Your righteous indignation is unconvincing.

Hillary got more votes and your candidate lost. It's just that simple. You can choose to obsess over her minor differences with Bernie but that will just help Trump win. And if you think she would turn this country in the same direction, well, I don't know what to say to you because you sound too intelligent not to know that that Trump will be far worse an so many issues.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #71)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:12 PM

81. Agreed, the tantrums and condescension gets old.

Bernie and Hillary have a lot more in common and well have an interest in supporting progressive policy and stopping
regressive policy and Trump... and the GOP in general.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 02:59 PM

74. Join the ever-growing ranks of "down-ballot Democrats" who support the down-ballot candidates but

who can no longer support the DNC or any candidates who would push the party away from FDR's vision for the party.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:01 PM

75. What a waste of a rant.

 

You should get the names and addresses of the 3 million voters who have put Clinton in the lead and then direct your anger there. Because you know something? We had nothing to do with that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:13 PM

82. Is this a Poe's Law thing? nt

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:14 PM

83. Get 'em in while you still can...nt

Sid

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:15 PM

84. I am a party loyalist. Setting aside patriotism, nominating Clinton is self-destructive to the party

 

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:24 PM

85. Absolutely. K&R

Many of us have said similar things and been derided, had posts hidden, threatened to be banned. But so what? It's a forum and we should be able to speak the truth. When the truth is that the party and some candidates are not living up to the what we thought the party stood for, then we have to speak up.
This forum is just the start. Out on the street and in the campaigns is where the real work happens and there are still people who try to "ban" us there, in the real world.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:25 PM

86. Brava. K&R

 

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Tue May 31, 2016, 04:05 PM

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