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Tue May 31, 2016, 03:19 AM

 

"Exposing the Libyan Agenda: A Closer Look at Hillary’s Emails"

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"Exposing the Libyan Agenda: A Closer Look at Hillary’s Emails"

Critics have long questioned why violent intervention was necessary in Libya. Hillary Clinton’s recently published emails confirm that it was less about protecting the people from a dictator than about money, banking, and preventing African economic sovereignty.
byEllen Brown


The brief visit of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Libya in October 2011 was referred to by the media as a “victory lap.” “We came, we saw, he died!” she crowed in a CBS video interview on hearing of the capture and brutal murder of Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi. But the victory lap, write Scott Shane and Jo Becker in the New York Times, was premature. Libya was relegated to the back burner by the State Department, “as the country dissolved into chaos, leading to a civil war that would destabilize the region, fueling the refugee crisis in Europe and allowing the Islamic State to establish a Libyan haven that the United States is now desperately trying to contain.”

US-NATO intervention was allegedly undertaken on humanitarian grounds, after reports of mass atrocities; but human rights organizations questioned the claims after finding a lack of evidence. Today, however, verifiable atrocities are occurring. As Dan Kovalik wrote in the Huffington Post, “the human rights situation in Libya is a disaster, as ‘thousands of detainees [including children] languish in prisons without proper judicial review,’ and ‘kidnappings and targeted killings are rampant’.”

Before 2011, Libya had achieved economic independence, with its own water, its own food, its own oil, its own money, and its own state-owned bank. It had arisen under Qaddafi from one of the poorest of countries to the richest in Africa. Education and medical treatment were free; having a home was considered a human right; and Libyans participated in an original system of local democracy. The country boasted the world’s largest irrigation system, the Great Man-made River project, which brought water from the desert to the cities and coastal areas; and Qaddafi was embarking on a program to spread this model throughout Africa.

But that was before US-NATO forces bombed the irrigation system and wreaked havoc on the country. Today the situation is so dire that President Obama has asked his advisors to draw up options including a new military front in Libya, and the Defense Department is reportedly standing ready with “the full spectrum of military operations required." The Secretary of State’s victory lap was indeed premature, if what we’re talking about is the officially stated goal of humanitarian intervention. But her newly-released emails reveal another agenda behind the Libyan war; and this one, it seems, was achieved.


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Response to Voice for Peace (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 03:28 AM

1. a bit more

 

Mission Accomplished?

Of the 3,000 emails released from Hillary Clinton’s private email server in late December 2015, about a third were from her close confidante Sidney Blumenthal, the attorney who defended her husband in the Monica Lewinsky case. One of these emails, dated April 2, 2011, reads in part:

Qaddafi’s government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver . . . .
This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to
establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed
to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA).

In a “source comment,” the original declassified email adds:

According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than
$7 billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion
began, and this was one of the factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to
commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these individuals Sarkozy’s plans are driven
by the following issues:

A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,
Increase French influence in North Africa,
Improve his internal political situation in France,
Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,
Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi’s long term plans to supplant France
as the dominant power in Francophone Africa


Conspicuously absent is any mention of humanitarian concerns. The objectives are money, power and oil.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:29 AM

2. How likely are the Republicans to give a shit about any of this dimension of Hilary's emails?

Which, I suppose, is another way of asking, will the Republicans see any way to stir the shit pot to their advantage around the PROFIT & PLUNDER part of the email story, or as seems more likely to me, are they totally in bed with the basic concept of global money perversion already, and so will completely ignore it.

Will they ignore this reality the same way they ignored the critical fact that Ronald Reagan and staff ignored clear warnings before the tragic bombing of our Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983, much as George W. Bush and staff ignored all the warnings before 9/11? The Beirut terrorist attack killed 241 U.S. and 58 French servicemen, and also six civilians. The World Trade Center attack killed almost 3,000 people, and maimed many thousands more.

The Republican party did not go into their drooling, distracting BENGHAZI BONKERS MODE around those abject failures. They went golfing.

REAGAN AIDES SAY C.I.A. BULLETIN WARNED OF LIKELY BEIRUT ATTACK
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/02/world/reagan-aides-say-cia-bulletin-warned-of-likely-beirut-attack.html

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Response to Scientific (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:55 AM

3. Democrats tend to let things slide.. for example, prosecution of war crimes...

 

... whereas Republicans let nothing slide, if involving a Democrat,
even if it is imaginary, (which this server business is not, unfortunately).

They don't mind warmongering profits; but they DO mind careless handling
of state secrets by Democrats, lying by Democrats, infidelity by Democrats.

They HATE Important Rules Breaking by Democrats. They don't like violating
oaths of office when done by Democrats/ They virulently oppose deception
and/or disenfranchisement of voters when it is done by Democrats.

Above and beyond, this phenomenon is most outstanding when the Democrat
is a Clinton. For right or wrong, it is so.
Although most are unable to see themselves or their own tribe clearly.
But yeah.. no doubt they've already got impeachment papers, related to
whichever parts they don't like, ready to file if the FBI neglects to
recommend indictment and she somehow gets in the WH.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #3)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 AM

4. Republicans let gobs & gobs of evil shit slide, as long as it's Republican shit

They demonstrate repeatedly that they do not actually give a fart about about ethics, rules or morality, as long as the miscreant is a Republican. They have made it evident that they are shoveling this email shit in a poisonously political way.

The preventable death of so many of our U.S. Marines in Beirut still resonates powerfully in the minds and hearts of many. As it should. It should not have happened. The Republican Administration should have been called to task at that time. If the GOP can let abominations like that slide, as well as the highly suspicious 9/11 attack on America while the Bush Administration gobbled Ambien to sleep in cultivated ignorance, then why are their Republican DIAPERS ON FIRE now over Hilary's sins?

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Response to Scientific (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 AM

5. You can't even pose the question & expect a rational answer from R's in power. It's like.. huh??

 

But in a way, it's beside the point. They defend their own, they are blind. Some sort of patriotism-colored rationalization kicks in; people allow themselves to be deceived.

The investigation into her email practices was initiated by John Kerry. It hasn't been the same thing as the Benghazi hearings, not by far.

There do appear to have been actual laws broken, although many say this isn't so -- the facts speak otherwise, if you read the relevant statutes about handling classified material. Then there is her lying about it, and the destruction of emails.

James Comey has a reputation for being nonpartisan. You probably recall his intervention when Ashcroft was ill. They say he will not tolerate partisan bending of law. Her actions risked desperately secret information being carelessly made available to anybody with hacking talents, such as foreign governments. Including putting the lives of overseas operatives at risk with the use of names and references that aren't hard to decipher. I can't see this "scandal" as a RW obsession -- it's a serious investigation, I believe of criminality on more than one front but time will tell. Most of all -- her carelessness added to arrogance = a phenomenally good reason she should never be given the nuclear codes, or even know where they are kept.




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Response to Voice for Peace (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 AM

6. It is always entertaining when "get tough on crime" people run afoul of the law.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #6)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:18 AM

7. indeed... almost as if there is a direct but often delayed correlation

 

They say when you point your finger at someone else, you are pointing 3 at your ownself..
and usually there's something ugly there.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:20 AM

8. This is more like Frances agenda than Hillary's nt

 

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