are Clinton supporters looking forward to a few more years of witch hunts and gridlock?

[reddread]

I dont know about vast, but those right wingers can be predictable.

[99th_Monkey]

1. yes.

[Baobab]

8. Hillary is a right wnger

basically.. By my standards, anyway.

[cynatnite]

70. Wow, that must mean her supporters are all RWer's by your standards

Despite that her voting record matches over 90% of Bernie's, her championing so many liberal causes such as women's rights, abortion, gay marriage, child welfare and the list goes on and on. Some of which she has supported for many years.

I get that you don't like her. Not everyone does. But I'm always surprised when someone is so blinded by their dislike they ignore the vast majority of what she supports and her work because of the other issues that don't align with their thinking. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

I've got issues with Bernie that I don't agree with, but I'm not going to say he's no better than RWer's because of his horrible voting record on guns. It's patently not true and it's not true with Hillary, either.

[Lizzie Poppet]

76. Bernie's "horrible voting record on guns" earns him a D- from the NRA.

[CorporatistNation]

81. AGREED! And Who Has Issues Of TRUST With The Public... And For Good Reason! E.G.,

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[Trust Buster]

2. If you don't think that Republicans wouldn't witch hunt and gridlock a Socialist, then I have a

penthouse in Trump Tower that I would like to sell you. Geez, think before you post.

[highprincipleswork]

13. Bernie has shown clearly that the Socialist label does not have to be a liability. You just can't

turn tail and run from being Progressive, but explain what it means in clear, simple terms.

This is so much better and so much more popular than embracing the Republican values that New Democrats do as a reactionary, kneejerk action.

If you take away the labels and ask the American public what they want, the answers are consistently Socialistic in nature.

We can't let Republican continue to win the war of words, which then becomes the war of ideas and ideals, just because they continue to repeat their idiocy over and over and over and over.

[flor-de-jasmim]

26. hear, hear!!

[larkrake]

29. this is well known fact, thank you

Hill bots tend to redbait

[B Calm]

31. No kidding, it's like they are Rush Limbaugh fans.

[Demsrule86]

49. No has not

He lost the primary. I have never understood how you all think that a person who lost the primary can win. Bernie as said things that cause people of color and women to be hostile to him...there is no getting around that. And the GOP would swiftboat Bernie out of the election...I saw his campaign manager on Fox get a taste of it...and it was fox and friends who are lightweights ...the guy tried to explain the difference between a democratic socialist and a socialist...he couldn't. And Bernie's plan involves raising payroll taxes, thus the middle class and poor will pay...I consider this regressive and can't even imagine what Bernie is thinking.

[highprincipleswork]

60. Bernie's campaign manager is not running, and the mass swiftboating of Bernie Sanders by especially

the AA community is one of the tragedies, so far, of this election season.

I guess if he was nominee the shoe would be on the other foot. Would PoC vote for this man who marched, was arrested, stood behind Jesse Jackson, and generally has been a way solid advocate for racial justice for decades, or would they "vote for Trump"?

[99th_Monkey]

18. Sanders is a DC fixture, well-known & widely respected

Hillary, on the other hand, has decades of baggage, lies and double-talk
overlaid with an on-going FBI investigation.

[Demsrule86]

50. He is hated in the Senate

and by many who work with him...and the GOP wouldn't be after him because he would never make it to the oval office...they would swiftboat him and say hello to President Trump...no Democrat will be left alone by the GOP they hate all Democrats. And honestly, I think Obama has done a fine job as president and the GOP was after him non-stop. Sanders would not know how to work the game ...he would stand on principle and then say goodbye to the economy. i don't think he could do the job. We would almost certainly breach the debt ceiling.

[NanceGreggs]

3. Do you mean as opposed to ...

... the storybook relationship that would exist between the GOP and any other Dem president?

[reddread]

19. comparatively, yes.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Comparatively?

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm sure the Republicans would be tripping all over themselves to cooperate with a self-identified socialist president! They would just LOVE Bernie, and would do everything in their power to help him.

I'm sure single-payer healthcare and free college tuition would just breeze through congress - because, ya know, Bernie.

But the thing is I've been reading on DU for over a year now about how Hillary is "Republican-lite", and how her policies are so RW. If that's the case, why would the GOP not be more cooperative with HER than with a socialist who, according to Bernie supporters, is everything the Republicans are terrified of?

[flor-de-jasmim]

27. You don't get to become the Amendment King without learning to play with others.

[mythology]

43. You must have missed the last 8 years of labeling Obama

a Muslim socialist from Kenya or promising to make Obama a one-term president, or "You lie!" etc etc.

[bbrady42]

4. I'm resolved that no matter who the next Democratic President is

There will be witch hunts and gridlock. The past 8 years has proven that.

[tandem5]

5. They're repugnantcans -- comes with the territory. What? You think they'll

welcome a proclaimed socialist with open arms? From Bill Clinton to Slick Willy... a couple of years in office and Sanders would be Dirty Bernie and then the next generation, that would be in diapers now will malign Sanders using made up Republican talking points legitimized with time and short attention spans.

[emsimon33]

6. It does make a great cover for selling out THE PEOPLE...

on "trade"

on the safety net

on Social Security and Medicare (which I predict she will eviscerate within the first 100 days)

on peace

on clean air and water

on renewable energy

on food labeling

etc.

etc,

etc,

Like Obama, I predicr she will compromise from the far right of center.

[TonyPDX]

51. Bernie has supporters. Hillary has investors. n/t

[pinebox]

61. QUOTE OF THE DAY!

[upaloopa]

7. I am sure there will be those who will keep inventing Clinton scandals. It is in their blood I

think. But hopefully during all the new attacks we will have a Dem Congress and a liberal SCOTUS. We can get progressive change if we want it.


Hillary has lived her whole public career with those who hate her and she is about to become the most powerful woman in the world. That says something about her strength and her opposition's weakness.

[Voice for Peace]

37. I think it says a great deal about her self-awareness

She is not disliked for no reason. But it has become her badge
of honor, as if she is the noble one hated by all bad people.
But y'know alot of good people profoundly dislike her and her
values, her methods, her peeps, and her way of torturing truth.

The Clintons may have taken on one too many hustles this time,
only my personal opinion; but they have been masterful, I mean
in the sense of prodigally-clever-kids-rise-out-of-the-sticks and
become the absurdly rich international Power Couple that gets away
with all sorts of travesties because of their masterful talents, until..
they played one too many hands, that one little one-too-many..
trying to be president twice, and lying to get there.

[annavictorious]

42. Her former colleagues in the Senate like

and respect her.

The hustles and travesties that have been perpetrated by Republicans (and co-opted by all sorts of people) are not the Clinton's fault.

[Voice for Peace]

47. not so sure but we are all just speculating

cheers

[HillareeeHillaraah]

57. She is not disliked.

You could have stopped there

Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015


http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Americans again name Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama the woman and man living anywhere in the world they admire most. Both win by wide margins over the next-closest finishers.


She's also amassed more popular votes than any of the 21 people who ran these primary races.

More votes than Bernie. More votes than Donald. More than all of them.

[pinebox]

62. She is very disliked

Let's not kid ourselves.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-majority-americans-dislike-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-n578926

[HillareeeHillaraah]

69. A stellar contribution by the Sanders camp....

re-working all the right wing innuendo in a feeble attempt to make him more palatable to the general electorate. I guess they figured the only way to make him look viable is to convince voters she's not. It's exactly what republicans do so, thanks team Sanders.

I guess those 13 million plus voters didn't actually like her but they so clearly disliked the thought of Sanders as the nominee that they voted for her instead? Is that your takeaway?

But it was interesting running against him, gotta say that ~

By the way, her numbers go up once he's finally out of the equation. So there's that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107150437

[pinebox]

72. Sure. Only in bizzaro world does Hillary have favorable numbers

and the majority of America likes & yrust her.
Hi, not happening. She has an image problem & has for mamy years. She's one of the most polarizing people in politics. Bernie is not.

Yeah, any fact interjection into how Hillary sucks is a RW smear now isn't it? You go with that. Facts have no political bias, they're facts.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

73. I'm sorry your candidate is losing

That's gotta really sting. Especially if you believed all the things he's was promising.

Ouch, huh?

[pinebox]

75. And that has to do with what exactly?

Oh I see, when you have no argument with what the issue is about, employ the weathervane technique like your candidate.
Go full squirrel and try to distract with something shiny. Typical.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

80. I'm not the one going "full squirrel" in this back and forth

You've thrown a few insulting barbs. I'm deflecting so as not to get juried out of this thread.

But I'm done barbing with you. I know how you Sanders folks like to have the last word, so have at it. You take the last word here, we'll take the presidency.

Good day.

[pinebox]

82. Ya you don't have an argument

You went squirrel and off topic. I am trying to have a discussion with you and one which is important. We were talking about how Hillary is very unpopular and you went off topic with basically "sorry your candidate lost" which is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Yup, Squirrel!

Hillary is going to be probably indicted. Sorry. Is it any wonder why she is unpopular?

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. No matter what Democrat we elect, we will see that. Republicans love witch hunts and gridlock.

[BootinUp]

10. Whats YOUR solution?

[SFnomad]

20. Of course the answer is BS because then it will be all unicorns and rainbows n/t

[Voice for Peace]

39. No twill be a president with a conscience

AND the Clintons may not be president again.
Sorry it's not allowed, according to every particle and fiber and everything else of my being.

They tried to make me to use their system, but I said "uh.. no, NO NO"
They wanted me to give all my emails but I said "uh.. whoa, whoa, whoa"

(w.apologies to Amy Winehouse rip)

[MFM008]

11. This will happen no matter if the person has a D after the name

do you REALLY think the wouldnt do the same thing to Sanders?

[Voice for Peace]

40. I think people misunderstand the power of actual honesty & a clear conscience

He doesn't play the game of cheat and deceit, misuse of power.
Though he probably knows who in Congress does.

Cut-the-bullshit-and-do-your-jobs-or-the voters are gonna git you.

Hillary does play, but not as well as the Obstructors do;
so she likely loses.

[Scootaloo]

12. What, as in being the subjects or being the inquisitors?

[politicaljunkie41910]

14. Are Bernie supporter ready as well should he be the nominee?

If not than they are the ones who should read that Salon article about how the GOP will do to Bernie and Jane the same thing that they have done to the Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Barrack and Michelle Obama to marginalize them since they dared step on to the Washington Beltway, and create a narrative around them that will ensure that the RW hate machine de-legitimizes them as well.

[Txbluedog]

16. [phone]

[LenaBaby61]

24. Agree....

Pres. Obama had a mandate, but look how the GOP ham-strung him, and are still ham-stringing him and he's almost out of office.

No doubt the same thing will happen to Hillary and Bernie, unless of course Dems get out during off-year elections and actually vote in a Senate and Congress that will do what's best for the American people. You can have whatever groundswell you want and unless you have the numbers in the Congress and Senate....

[Txbluedog]

15. This is what they do

No matter who the Dem President is

[Renew Deal]

17. Why do you think it would be easier for any Democrat?

It wasn't for Clinton or Obama, and it won't be for the next one either.

[grasswire]

22. You miss the whole point of the Sanders campaign.

Maybe you oughta go to a rally and catch the plan.

The massive enthusiastic support Bernie has earned is going to translate into the building of a progressive majority into the Senate and the House. He is already putting it together with people like Feingold and Gabbard and many others. By the mid-terms, the momentum will be clear. Obstructionists will be at risk for their seats.

It isn't just about Bernie.

It's a movement -- a progressive groundswell.

[tandem5]

23. oh grasswire... sweet precious grasswire

[riversedge]

33. Feigold started his own campaign without any help from sanders.

[pinebox]

63. They don't understand that & they never will

[hack89]

67. Not much of a groundswell considering he is getting his ass kicked in the Dem primary.

votes are all that matter - not rallies, not emotions, not hate towards Hillary. Votes. And he doesn't appear able to get enough.

[bvf]

25. Something tells me they won't need to worry about it.

At least not with Clinton.

[larkrake]

30. you are right, she will give them alot

[Thinkingabout]

28. As a Democrat who has watched the GOP become a hate party, I would expect

This hate to continue. Deep down I feel sure the GOP wishes for Hillary to win, they have a problem and we could grant them relief. It would not stop their attacks, and it would nit stop their scandal mill.

[Lil Missy]

32. are Sanders supporters going to be disappointed if that doesn't happen?

[riversedge]

34. I am looking for to Madam President. The Repups will

continue with their obstruction

[B Calm]

35. They love defending the Clinton's, I gave it up after NAFTA.

[CountAllVotes]

36. and the WTO

WTO = the final nail in the proverbial coffin so to speak! Welfare reform a disgusting addition to that batch of concrete.

Guilt you ask?

Nope, not a glimmer best one can tell here:

[Yurovsky]

46. It all worked out pretty good for them financially...

The working class and poor? Not so much...

[TonyPDX]

53. Exactly. That's why affluent Dems invest in her.

Bernie's for the rest of us.

[baldguy]

38. And how is that different from the way they treat any other Democratic President?

[Android3.14]

41. Many Hillary supporters have a broken sense of ethics

They are guaranteeing our children will earn less, remain beholden to college debtors, go to war, and never have affordable insurance or healthcare.

And the weird thing is there's a part of them that knows she is a horrible candidate, but they cannot stop themselves.

They've been beaten down so much, they have empathy, sympathy and positive feelings towards the group that has kept them boxed in for 60 years, right down to defending and identifying with the 1-percenters.

They would lock their own cage and throw away the key, all the while feeling smug and superior.

[ucrdem]

44. We can handle it. We handled it last time. nt

[Yurovsky]

45. There won't be gridlock...

Hillary and her allies in the GOP keep the 1%er economy chugging along, taking a enormous crap on the working-class and poor of America.

She'll play the usual Clinton/Bush kabuki dance, pretending to care about economic justice, while saying the right things regarding most progressive social issues (as long as her pollsters say it's safe to do so...).

Of course, if the FBI recommends indictment, we'll spend the foreseeable future tied up in impeachment proceedings while the Democratic Party suffers a death of a thousand cuts brought about by Hillary's greed and secretive nature. Yippeeeee....

[gordianot]

48. Correct even if Hillary is indicted she will not drop out of the 2016 race.

It appears to me both major party candidates Trump and Clinton sees themselves above the law.

[Yurovsky]

56. That sums up the oligarchy...

Regardless of party affiliation, the uber-rich operate in an environment that is relatively free of laws, rules, or regulations, and even if something is on the books they can ignore it and buy their way out of just about any problem with an army of lawyers and judges in their pockets.

If you or I had pulled the financial stunts Trump has over the years no bank would ever go near us, and we'd probably be in the poor house. Likewise, the level of corruption at the various Clinton money-raising outfits would land a lesser being in the slammer. It is rare to find a major political figure who isn't up to their neck in dirty money, and we should not let the chance to elect an honest man pass us by.

Come on Califirnia - feel the Bern!

[reddread]

68. it is her last, best and only chance

I doubt you could pry her cold dead hands off the prize they desire.

[Orangepeel]

52. The only way to stop that is to elect a more progressive congress

It's a long term thing. People need to focus on their state governments, so that they can have progressives in office in 2020 for redistricting.

[beachbum bob]

54. if conservatives control the senate and/or the House...they will play the same with any

democrat or socialist in the whitehouse....so the answer is simple....get 6 additional democratic senators and 20+ democratic representatives and the witch hunts end

[pdsimdars]

55. Clinton supporters don't look forward.

[okieinpain]

58. I'll take it over the trump people

Looting the country for four years.

[gordianot]

59. It is a curse to be a right winger and be delusional to the degree you do not realize what you have

.......become.

[reddread]

65. that curse seems to afflict bystanders

If only right wingers werent so hell bent on power at any cost.
democracy might have a chance.

[SidDithers]

64. At least you're acknowledging she's beaten Bernie, and will beat Trump...nt

Sid

[B Calm]

66. Not entirely.

BCalm

[JoePhilly]

71. We should cower in fear of the Republicans.

[reddread]

74. and Trump and imaginary terrrorists and whatever else

thats right.

because being an American and a Democratic voter has no other meaning today.

[MisterP]

77. they relish the feeling of persecution

[creeksneakers2]

78. I can tell you they are vast

They all work together too. Of course I'm not looking forward to the vast right wing conspiracy. But their lies and constant attacks only make me like the Clintons more. They deserve great credit for all they've endured. In no way would I cower from from the VRWC.

[RandySF]

79. They'd have plenty of fun with Komrad Sanders.