I would like to extend my apologies to George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their administration.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

For years I labored under the assumption they were corrupt and nefarious. I was certain they had exploited, if not outright violated, election laws. I was convinced gross negligence had substantially contributed to 9/11. I was unwavering in my belief corporations profited illegally from wars, wars which were crimes in their own right. I believed law after law was brushed aside whenever it was deemed inconvenient, even laws designed to safeguard the security of the very nation they were exploiting.

I see now how wrong I was and for that I offer my deepest and sincerest apologies.

Obviously, since there never was or will be an indictment arising from any of their actions, let alone a conviction, this speaks to their personal innocence and who am I to impugn their innocence in the absence of a finding of guilt?

Bush and Cheney, by reasoning of the most astute minds in our midst, are innocent.


<== apparently I neglected to include this in the first draft

[Dustlawyer]

1. Sarcasm right?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

4. Yes

[historian]

2. i hope you arent serious

Do you honestly believe that in America a rich person can be persecuted for anything? Do you realize that the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses was in strict violation of the Nuremberg Treaty condemning actions such as theirs as being criminal acts/ The Supreme court declared that any treat signed by the US is the law of the land. Why arent they being persecuted? Incidentally, you do realize that both Cheney and Bush, both such gung ho heroes both avoided the draft, one by Cheney lying about his health and Bush simply going AWOL. Oh and to finalize, removing Saddam (who we put in power( opened the door to ISIS, which sadam would never have allowed.
Bush is to stupid it is quite beyond belief. I used to believe in evolution, but after experiencing Bush I am no longer a believer.
As for 9/11 Bush was warned something was going to happen and did nothing. When he was told the planes were coming in he simply sat there and allowed it to happen. Incidentally the pilots were not iraquis, they were saudis. But of course we cannot go after them since they have been bush buddies for years and raked in billions with oil.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. It was sarcasm leveraging an oft heard defense

[FreakinDJ]

3. By that standard ...

[geek tragedy]

5. Please tell me this isn't an idiotic attempt to equate eGhazi with 9/11 and Iraq. nt

[BootinUp]

11. Basically? Yes. See Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2073492

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. Admitted without apology.

[geek tragedy]

14. 17 more days of this. Ugh nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. Yeah, I'm sure it will all go away once we transition to the GE.

[geek tragedy]

17. Here it will. Those who want to undermine the Democratic nominee

will have plenty of other places to do it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

18. So, you're hoping for enforced silence to cover for conscience.

[geek tragedy]

20. No, I want to Clinton to defeat Trump and anyone who disagrees

with that quite simply does not belong here.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. To hell with facts and standards and principles, so long as we're winning like Charlie Sheen.

Let's add David Patreaus and Scooter Libby to the list of people we owe an apology.

[geek tragedy]

22. Failing to embrace the Fox News narrative is not evidence

of a lack of principles.

17 more days.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. Fox news isn't the Inspector General or the FBI.

[geek tragedy]

24. 17 more days. You'll always have Discussionist. nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. And when will we have integrity?

[geek tragedy]

33. Some of us already have it nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

39. Not on the side of the presumptive nominee.

Just keep counting down.

[geek tragedy]

47. Once again the truth is opposite of your claims. Bye nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

49. So you guys keep saying in between posts praying for the suppression of dissent but you

never have any facts to support your claims.

[BzaDem]

57. There are plenty of forums where people can make posts that contribute to a Trump victory.

This just doesn't happen to be one of them (after June 7th). Sorry.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

62. The only one contributing to Trump's victory is the Hillary camp.

She's providing all the ammunition for her own firing squad. She's is the sole reason any of this is even an issue. Her political incompetence is the reason this 4 year old story dragged out to metastasize going into the GE. She is the establishment icon in an anti-establishment election cycle (which is why Trump has as much momentum as he does).

She is going to get hammered in the GE and you won't be able to rely on forum rules to keep the rest of the US electorate from discussing the matter. And it's not like she or her supporters have conjured a cogent answer to any of the allegations that hasn't later been shown to be a lie.

[BzaDem]

63. If you aren't voting for her in the fall, then your statement is false.

You said that only HRC is contributing to a Trump victory. If you don't vote for her, then you are too. (See basic logic.)

Again, I'm not sure why you bring up speech suppression. There are tons of places on the internet that are dedicated to aiding and abetting Trump. This just isn't one of them. You have the right to speak, but you don't have the right to be taken seriously by people who would not like to see Trump in office. Enjoy your stay.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

64. Enjoy your Cheney 2.0

[BzaDem]

65. Perhaps you think Clinton is worse than Trump?

If so, that doesn't make it remotely true -- it just makes you wrong.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

66. I think Clinton is worse than a wide array of genuine Democrats that could actually beat Trump.

[BzaDem]

67. A wide array of other Democrats aren't going to win the primary

so I'm not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

68. Because of the machine politics of the Clintons.

What ensures her primary win is the very same cronyism, corruption and influence peddling that makes her unworthy of the name Democrat.

[libtodeath]

30. I want to defeat that lunatic too and just happen to think Hillary cant possibly do it.

So if I am right thanks for the nightmare coming.

[geek tragedy]

34. Bashing the Democratic nominee won't help defeat trump nt

[TimPlo]

41. It will not hurt it either.

You have some insane over inflated importance of DU and your posts. In 2008 there was 126 million people who voted. How many of them do think read DU? Only reason you don't want the truth about Hillary posted is because you like people in GOP just want a echo chamber. You just can't deal with issues that people in general are shitty even a democrat can be a bad person. Went through this shit in 2014 with Mayor of Charlotte all the zealots in the local DNC here thought mayor was such a great guy. Even after AG brought charges against him for taking a bribe on camera from a FBI sting operation, idiot zealots argued he never did it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. They'll be patrolling the Bernie Sanders group like U-boats.

I've heard they even assigned shifts already.

[cpwm17]

31. 17 days until the great purge.

17 days until DU becomes NU (Neocon Underground). I can hardly wait.

In 17 days whistle blowers that expose secrets deserve long prison sentences, but powerful Democrats (sic), for selfish reasons, that expose even more sensitive secrets are not even worthy of condemnation.

In 17 days Henry Kissinger, the world's worst living mass-murderer, will be worthy of friendship and a source of advice.

In 17 days a major proponent of the world's worst crime this century, the Iraq War, will make a great candidate for US President.

In 17 days, murdered Palestinian children (by Israel) in the Gaza Strip will be condemned as propaganda tools that are allegedly being used against Israel.

In 17 days murdering leaders and destroying foreign nations will bring such joy and merriment:

Welcome to Hillary's nightmare

[geek tragedy]

32. See you in December nt

[cpwm17]

36. War and mass-murder for fun and profit.

It's going to be great.

[bjo59]

53. Right to the point. Thank you.

[bjo59]

52. Well said.

[Hortensis]

56. 17 days until Hillary Derangement Syndrome

finds a new home. For those who cannot control their addiction to slander long enough to visit this forum, having to leave it is hardly even in their top 10 problems. Happily for them, though, homelessness is not a possibility since there are plenty of other forums that will take them in.

[cpwm17]

60. Hillary Derangement Syndrome:

yea, that's my problem: because it couldn't be the terrible wars and atrocities supported by Hillary, for her own selfish motives.

Life is cheap. Talking bad about Hillary is the real crime.

Some people just are not capable of giving a shit about death and destruction on the other side of the world, even if it is caused by US politicians.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

69. They used to call it Bush Derangement Syndrome to explain away those who railed against

wars and corporatism.

It's kinda funny that those who bristle at Bush-Clinton comparisons retreat to Bush defenses repurposed for Clinton.

[TwilightZone]

25. eGhazi

I like that one.

And, yes, it's pretty clearly doing exactly that. Watergate is another go-to comparison, of late.

[azurnoir]

37. you've noticed that too? it seems everytime there a new Bernie 'scandal'

Hillary's surrogates tack "gate" onto the end of it

[DrDan]

6. are you sure you are posting on the correct site?

I think you might be confused

[pinebox]

16. You missed the sarcasm tag :)

[tymorial]

8. God I love sarcasm as a tool to cast aside the curtain of intellectual dishonesty nt

[Trust Buster]

9. Silly.

[heaven05]

10. damn shame

they won't be made to pay for disrupting and ending, violently and without cause(Iraq) so many Iraqi, Syrian, and American lives that continues to this day. +1000 to you to succinctly put things in perspective 16+ years down this road.

[PowerToThePeople]

12. We are all criminal right wingers now.

Unity!

[onecaliberal]

19. Laws are for little people. The elections are rigged.

[insta8er]

26. 17 days and we can all pretend we have a viable candidate

17 days and we can get rid of those who question the logic of sending the least qualified candidate. 17 days until we can silence dissent as a common dictator, while calling ourselves Democrats. Until November comes around and our candidate mired in scandals looses to the most vile of types of politicians since Hitler. But then! We will be called out for not supporting our flawed candidate, rather then to take a good look in the mirror and saying we were wrong.

Sorry realized I directed this at the OP, it was meant however for another poster who was wishing for the "purge". Quite some democrat!

[rock]

27. No problem

But we in the Clinton camp are expecting the same apology when she remains non indicted for her alleged scandals and crimes.

[Scuba]

70. Did you apologize to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, et al? None were indicted, after all.

[rock]

71. Well, you got me me there. No.

Now remind me what was Hitler indicted for?

[Scuba]

72. Hitler was never indicted, to the best of my knowledge. Citing Hillary's not being indicted ....

... as proof of her innocence is pretty lame.

[rock]

73. My other choice is to offer proof that she is innocent

Perhaps you can detect the flaw with that method?

[Scuba]

74. You have othere choices. Perhaps you should give them additional consideration.

[rock]

75. Find the person

That did do the email villainy?

[tazkcmo]

76. To be fair...

...like it matters...Hitler did kill himself or had Eva do it before he could be put on trial.

[rock]

77. That rapscallion

I should have known he would have a clever way out!

[hootinholler]

28. Might as well apologize to Kissinger too!

I'm so sorry Hank! I guess you're not a war criminal either!

While I'm at it, I also apologize to the CIA folk playing naked pyramid with those horrible terrists.

[Dem2]

38. I like when people equate torture and mass-murder to an email server

It's not like that's an absurd notion or anything, heck, I do it all the time!




















and, of course,

[Nuclear Unicorn]

40. The subject at hand vote for the war and has sold weapons to the most despotic regimes

after those regimes "donated" tens of millions of dollars to the slush fund.

[Dem2]

42. President Obama isn't up for reelection

Seems this is in the wrong forum. Unless you think a single term senator and SoS can alter the direction of the government?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

43. If she lacks the courage and integrity to do the right thing she should step aside.

That's in addition to the corporatism and war mongering she's personally involved in.

[Dem2]

45. You forgot: Oligarch Third Way DLC Corporatist Triangulation Corporate shill Bankster Warmonger

All or nothing.

[Seeinghope]

46. What about Libya, Honduras? Those people don't count?

[Dem2]

48. Strawman

Cut it out, these lame arguments are exceedingly tiring.

[Seeinghope]

50. I know all those dead, homeless and maimed people don't mean anything.

[Hortensis]

58. If they meant enough to you you would know

a lot more about the history and events leading to their current situations. You also might even see them as people involved in their own troubles living in a nation with its own history, instead of one-dimensional sufferer figures to use as a weapon against a political opponent.

[Seeinghope]

59. Why do you assume that I don't? Easier for your conscience?

[bjo59]

55. The bloody, murderous regime-change policies of the U.S. (and no one can argue that

HRC doesn't support and, in fact, has worked very hard to perpetrate) are a "straw man"? Hardly.

[Seeinghope]

44. Second paragraph says SARACSM. Funny! Letting one set of criminals off doesn't make letting others

off right. Besides, IF WE KNEW BEFOREHAND what they were really like and if the Republicans knew what was in store for this country would they have gotten into office? If you look at everything that has happened during the Primaries, the Wall Street Speeches, The Clinton Foundation, the hawkish violent approach to National Security, the unimpressive record as Senator in N.Y., and the e-mail disaster tells us plenty about what is to come wit Hillary Clinton.

Making the decision to support Hillary Clinton, eyes open, being elected President of the United States will fall directly on the heads of her supporters. They will have to carry around the repercussions of that decision for the rest of their lives. The excuse is that Trump is worse is bullshit because there is a third choice Bernie Sanders. So there is ABSOLUTELY no good reason.

[treestar]

54. Legally they are

They have not been accused of any particular crimes and had none proved against them. Just not likely their politics does not make other people "criminals."

It's just not as easy to prove a legal case as people want to think, especially when they are highly partisan.

[TransitJohn]

61. Let me guess, they said

"I made a mistake, and I wouldn't do it again," and now everything's totally awesomesauce?