It was all done in VAIN...

[asuhornets]

All of the anti-Hillary threads & posts were all done in vain
It has not changed a thing. Hillary is still in the lead.
Need less than 100 delegates to win---including super delegates, of course.
There will be no indictments. Not a one.
It was all done in vain.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. Nope. Not.At.All.

Senator Sanders' candidacy has brought to light the creeping, and nearly all-consuming Corporatism that has been a cancer to our democracy. Haven't heard much about that at all from Secretary Clinton. Perhaps she's been schooled by Senator Sanders about this cancer?

Not in vain at all. And weak OP...

[asuhornets]

17. Senator Sanders has not schooled SOS Clinton on anything...

She has not mentioned his name in a month. Although, I have supported Clinton day one, Sanders has been a disappointment. Complaining about the rules when they were in place before he decided to become a Democrat. In his recent ad, Sanders is scolding the Democratic Party, of which he has only been a member of for 11 months. Debate Trump, when Sanders is not the nominee--What is he doing?

[Cooley Hurd]

22. If she hasn't learned, then it's to her disadvantage...

Funny how she *never* learns UNLESS polling tells her to...

[annavictorious]

62. Hillary marched in pride events as First Lady and is endorsed

by the establishment civil rights group Human Rights Watch.
Sanders opposed gay marriage rights in Vermont as late as 2009.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

[Cooley Hurd]

82. She marched in Pride events while her husband signed DOMA...

...and she doubled down on it in 2004. Who mentioned Sanders except some partisan hack on a Slate blog?

[rock]

72. For those that believe him

Or should I say those that are taken in by him.

[Cooley Hurd]

89. I've been in this rodeo since '72...

...and the only time I've felt "taken" by any Dem was by the 42nd POTUS, but that was after I voted for him in '92 (and BEFORE DOMA, Telecommunications Act of 1996, Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, etc, etc, etc...).

Thanks for playing, my friend.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Do you seriously think a few hundred posts on an obscure internet message board

would affect the outcome? But DU is for people expressing their opinions, which is never done in vain.

The ultimate outcome of the email controversy is up for grabs, though.

[asuhornets]

18. Yea and you sound like Sanders--if it benefits him--go for it.

Evidently you and others think a few hundred post will change the outcome. But it won't.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. Tendentious bullshit from Camp Weathervane won't save her either

if the email thing blows up. And it might.

[Tal Vez]

3. Here's what I don't understand.

I voted for Clinton.

However, if I were a Sanders supporter and if I saw an indictment as the only hope, I would just wait quietly to see if an indictment actually comes. I would not be motivated to trash Clinton while I was waiting. What is the point of that?

Trashing Clinton seems to be totally gratuitous.

[Dem2]

6. Trashing Clinton is out of extreme anger

It's better than actual violence I suppose.

[Ned_Devine]

9. Documenting the truth about her fatal flaws = trashing

[Dem2]

11. .

"documenting"

[Ned_Devine]

13. Posting rolling smiley faces = Proper mature response

[Dem2]

14. Your post had me trying so hard not to laugh

"documenting" ...said presumably with a very serious face.

Please stop!

[Ned_Devine]

19. And THAT's how you get on to an ignore list

I try to have adult conversations here with people that have different views than mine. I get rolling smiley faces and silliness.

[Dem2]

27. You said one of the most ridiculous things I've read in years

"documenting"

I called you on it, you put me on ignore.

[floppyboo]

29. just did the same myself.Must be on Trump train to provoke such anti Hill feelings. bye dem2

[Ned_Devine]

35. New rule: Actual documentation of one's lies, flaws and misgivings does not = documentation

But it does get a rolling smiley face

[Dem2]

45. You mean slander, made up conspiracy theories and just plain old bitterness

[Ned_Devine]

58. Conspiracies like this?

[Dem2]

63. I downvote and hide all youtube garbage on reddit

Don't expect me to watch these character assassination videos here.

I get it - you want to destroy her by any means necessary. It's what people do on the internet. I don't attack either candidate, I like them both, I guess that makes me weak.

[Ned_Devine]

75. She destroys herself and doesn't represent democratic values

She just has a (D) next to her name and that seems to be enough for you.

[floppyboo]

47. Orwell is a rolly smiley face right now! Newspeak rools!

edit - need new emogie - dead people rolling in their graves laughing their bones off!

[Dem2]

41. No problem

Let me know when you're done with the remaining stages of grief.

The anger is not pleasant.

[Ned_Devine]

49. No anger from me. I'd just prefer better discourse than emoticons

I don't trust the Clintons. I know they ran a racist campaign against our president in '08 and now they're running a scorched earth campaign eight years later. She's been caught in numerous lies and missteps. After a primary of insinuating Bernie supporters are racist, sexist, violent, and delusional, they don't seem to care about winning over life long democrats like me. I come here to have discussions and you give me silly faces. I don't know if it's because you can't handle an actual discussion, but as someone who's been here since before the "Dean Scream" it's a little disheartening. Anger? No. Disappointment? Big time.

[Dem2]

60. She's going to be our nominee

How does harping on and on about how much you despise her help?

I just don't get it.

It comes across as extreme bitterness.

I like Bernie but he didn't "do anything" to win me over, no candidate needs to kiss my ass to have me decide if I agree or disagree with their policies. Both Democrats running this cycle are no more than 10% different on their policies - this is more than acceptable for most Democrats. Not sure what you want from her?

[Ned_Devine]

71. That 10% is very misleading

Her penchant for foreign skirmishes alone is enough for me to not vote for her. Her lack of transparency and coziness with Wall St. are not big winners for me either. The fact that the debate schedule tilted in her favor while the entire party establishment tipped the scale for her before any of us got to vote left a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that so many of you will tie yourself into knots to defend her while she is under investigation for criminal activity while with the State Department is dangerous. Had it been Bernie doing all of these things I couldn't even imagine the uproar here.

That 10% difference between their voting record makes all the difference in the world to me and millions of other life long democrats and we don't feel like we got a fair shake in this election. We also don't think that she has what it takes to get the nomination and there's still time for her not to get it.

So put all the rolling smileys out there that you want.

[TheKentuckian]

120. Never is mentioned who got the bill they wanted and who had to really compromise

Even the biggest discrepancy in the caucus will still be a pretty high number on the vote together scale, I'm betting the lowest is in the neighborhood of 80% most sessions, possibly higher since they get their way and traditionally extract huge pork.

An important factor is who drives the legislation, who more has to go for the clothespins, and what that balance is.

Hell, the vote the same tally is significant between the most liberal and the most regressive Senator I imagine.

We also can't forget that we are talking a couple of years where Clinton was running for President which I imagine could drive some similarities and possibly some differences like supporting ethanol.

Nor the obvious where are you on the differences and how do you prioritize them.

[Tal Vez]

83. I'm not sure that you understood my post.

I just said that if I was a Sanders supporter and if I saw an indictment as the only hope for Sanders, I would just quietly wait to see if an indictment materializes. I could see that.

However, unless I deluded myself into believing that by trashing Clinton, I could increase the likelihood of an indictment, I would have no motivation to trash Clinton. But, I recognize that there may be factors which aren't in fact completely rational. Someone in another post suggested that the trashing is prompted by anger. Maybe people are just blowing off steam.

[Ned_Devine]

86. I understand your post just fine and mine was not in response to yours

[Mike__M]

21. Not very efficient

If it's a pay-per-post arrangement, one rolly-kicky should be good enough.
If it's not a paid post, they ought to sign up.

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[yallerdawg]

32. Maybe Bernie has to pay...

but Hillary supporters do it for free!!!

[840high]

76. Yes.

[asuhornets]

23. I would wait too. But noooo...day in & day out

[Dem2]

4. Everybody knows this

...but that's not what the internet is for.

[asuhornets]

25. LOL

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. I think that's the worst haiku I ever read...

[Gomez163]

7. THERE'S STILL TIME......BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[asuhornets]

26. They obviously believe that..nt

[Gomez163]

28. That's an "On the Beach" reference

[reddread]

8. indeed

[TheSarcastinator]

10. keep repeating that over and over

Eventually you will believe it, even if the rest of us know you're in denial. The Derp is strong with team Hindenburg.

[asuhornets]

31. Denial..the numbers are on my candidate's side.

[840high]

77. Is the FBI on your side?

[asuhornets]

98. yes...nt

[asuhornets]

61. She's winning there is no denial except maybe on your part..

[Warren DeMontague]

12. True. Five billion years from now, the sun will expand to red giant size and vaporize the Earth.

100 years from now, none of us here will likely be alive.

Protons decay, so even matter itself has a lifespan.

Dark energy will increase, until finally the fabric of space and time tears itself apart, expanding into ever-accelerating cold nothingness.



And then on some days, it just rains.

Indeed, do many things come to pass.

[LuvLoogie]

36. Wells?

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Am I wrong?

No, actually, I'm not.

[LuvLoogie]

52. It sounded like HG wells for a minute, except for the dark matter part which was kind of

Asimovish

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Ah, I see.

I thought that was some newfangled internet slang for "are you feeling ok"?





It's actually all scientifically valid, more or less. Truly we don't know what will happen with time and space and the "end" of our Universe, but extrapolating the increasing expansion that we have observed leads to the eventual condition I describe.

That said, I don't find the situation depressing, I actually subscribe to the eternal inflation theory of Guth And Linde, which posits that we are merely a tiny bit of an infinite, eternal, ever expanding, ever reproducing and ever branching multiverse or multi-multiverse (or so on).. The ultimate free lunch, if you will.

The only price is impermanence. Nothing specific lasts, the names are finite but the great mother of the 10,000 nameless things (I confess a romantic and poetic sympathy for the label "Tao&quot is eternal.

Still, it does bring the concept of "all in vain" into a different light.

[LuvLoogie]

91. I've often wondered about our specific end. How we would delay it over the eons. If we would ever

achieve a singular concerted purpose of continuance. Our conscience born in our biology and its cravings, do we embrace them and nourish them over time or do we minimize, becoming systems of stored and exchanged information? Do we give up our human motive to become an eternal witness?

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Its a good question.

[asuhornets]

37. Yes.. And this Democratic primary will come to pass on June 7..Spread the word.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. I sincerely hope you get everything that you want.

[asuhornets]

55. Me too. Thank you!!!

[Mendocino]

108. But even then

Keith Richards will still be alive.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Well, yeah.

[cliffordu]

15. Democracy, much?

[Broward]

16. Right-wingers rejoice.

[MohRokTah]

20. She picked up yet another Super Delegate today

73 left to go.

It may go below 30 delegates some time on June 5.

[Cooley Hurd]

24. Certainly not something to crow about...

...since SD's will do what DWS tells them to do.

[MohRokTah]

34. That's the biggest load of hooey I've seen posted here!

[Cooley Hurd]

44. Prove me wrong, my friend...

[MohRokTah]

99. You made the statement

You are under the burden of proof.



And I'm not your friend.

[Cooley Hurd]

100. That's too bad...

Actually sad that your craven worship of a single candidate has made you not want to be friends with those who do not share in that craven worship.

I still consider you a friend because I'm reasonably sure we share the same goal, to keep Drumpf from the WH.

Read the hx of SD's since you asked for proof on how SD's decide who to choose:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

[MohRokTah]

101. You're being sad now.

Friendship is a far more important relationship than simple acquaintances on an internet message board.

As I have never met you IRL and will never meet you IRL, there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever of you ever being my friend.

Floating silly theories about why I'm not your friend doesn't help matters, either.

[Cooley Hurd]

102. Okay!

I'm glad I don't have such a bitter, cynical monkey on MY back!

Be well, acquaintance!

[asuhornets]

40. That's what the SD's do..whoever have more PD..they step in..

Sanders knew the process before he joined the party..Now he wants to complain about them..

[Cooley Hurd]

46. They aren't bound to PD's...

Not legally, contractually or by party rules. Sorry, but read the hx of the "Superdelegate"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

[asuhornets]

57. Everyone knows that, even Bill Clinton gave his SD to Obama...nt

[Cooley Hurd]

80. Thank you! I appreciate you correcting yourself!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2070648

[asuhornets]

38. Awesome!!!

[icecreamfan]

30. Apparently the anti-Sanders posts aren't helping much

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[TwilightZone]

84. Yes, I'm sure that's it. Anti-Sanders posts on DU.

[Ned_Devine]

42. New rule: Actual documentation of one's lies, flaws and misgivings does not = documentation

[asuhornets]

43. It sure doesn't..

[frylock]

48. All is well.

[Ned_Devine]

51. Dude, I posted that yesterday...so perfect, isn't it?

[frylock]

54. It's fun watching them try to convince themselves that this is a big "nothing burger"..

and that "nobody cares".

[asuhornets]

53. Giving a preview for the mythical Sanders Adminstration?

[frylock]

56. No, this is a visual representation of the original post.

Seemed kind of obvious to me.

[enid602]

64. trump

The anti Hillary movement was hardly in vain; it's given trump quite a head start in the GE. Guess you can say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[asuhornets]

65. So that's your mission: giving trump a head start?

[840high]

79. Hillary did that by lying.

[riderinthestorm]

66. You do not understand a thing then about Bernie or the movement that he's building

I actually feel sorry for you.

[asuhornets]

69. When he said he wanted to start a political revolution--I believed him.

But so far that has not happen.. He has received a majority of the Independent votes..But this is the Democratic Party--we need more Democratic voters.

[riderinthestorm]

73. Where from do you think you're going to attract more voters into the Dem party?

[asuhornets]

78. Everywhere..SAnders is doing the opposite..He wants to change the Party into his mirror image.

Who signed up for that? I know like hell, I didn't.

[riderinthestorm]

81. Like where? You have independents, Republicans and tiny fractions of Greens and libertarians

Where and how is Hillary for example going to attract new Dems from those groups?

The Dem party is shrinking every year since 2008. Bernie appears to be the only candidate trying to get more Dem members.

[asuhornets]

87. But he is not bringing in more Dem voters..Independents are registering to be Democrats..

so they can vote for him. That's not a bad thing. But many have expressed if he doesn't win and he won't..They going back to being independents. And won't vote for Hillary.

[riderinthestorm]

93. That's Hillary’s failure then. Bernie’s doing what he can to grow the party

If Hillary loses them that's on her.

[asuhornets]

95. Hillary never had those voters--just like she probably never had you as a supporter.

[eastwestdem]

67. I've noticed that the media has dropped the email thing today. Guess it got boring since

nothing was there.

[asuhornets]

70. Yep, but give them time..It's going to roll around again.

[IdaBriggs]

97. 65,000 results show up on "Clinton Email" with 24 hours selected under News.

It's also a top Yahoo story with four separate headings. think you might be seeing what you want, versus reality.

[eastwestdem]

116. Just MSNBC. nt

[AgingAmerican]

68. Condescending, anti-democratic, thin skinned horse pucky

[asuhornets]

74. who me?

what's a horse pucky? it better not be what i think it is.

[ReRe]

96. Better not or WHAT?

[asuhornets]

103. I'll have to go into a keyboard warrior mode..

[ReRe]

111. Ahhhhhh..

OK.

[asuhornets]

112. Later..and remember

GOHILLARY!!!!

[ReRe]

113. You bet!

Go Bernie Go!!!!!

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

And for your entertainment pleasure:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017376455

[ThinkCritically]

85. I'm less worried about Hillary Clinton...

than I am about Donald Trump winning. If she did something illegal then do what needs to be done. Just don't trash the democratic party while you're at it. That is my concern. I'm afraid if she is nominated, she might get indicted and break the party beyond repair and hand Trump the presidency. And I will do what I need to do to make sure that doesn't happen. If that means keeping the email investigation fresh and people up to date then I will do it. Just don't hate me for posting facts.

[asuhornets]

90. if they were going to indict her -- it would have happened already

you can post whatever you like,,and so will I..Facts--some may not be facts---just opinions.

[ThinkCritically]

118. Well as far as I know she is still under FBI investigation.

So theres that.

[asuhornets]

92. "A word to the wise is sufficient." i agree, but your other statement---not so much.....nt

[Eric J in MN]

104. Did you write something similar about George W. Bush

...in 2000 or 2004?

Sometimes the better candidate doesn't become president.

I don't regret speaking out about the rotten things Hillary Clinton did.

[asuhornets]

105. Is Hillary Clinton on the same level of rottentability as George W.?

[Eric J in MN]

106. No. NT

NT

[asuhornets]

107. I'm glad to hear that!!!

[Scootaloo]

110. Well, we didn't count on the fact that Hillary's supporters don't give a fuck about anything

[asuhornets]

114. Give a fuck about what?

[840high]

115. Her constant lying for one. The crap she

is putting the country and our party through now.

[Vote2016]

117. Where is Hillary today on minimum wage, TPP, Keystone, etc. Where was she a year ago?

Because Rudderless Hillary has no core values, Sanders has provided a progressive rudder so his campaign has not been in vain.

Plus, Sanders has invigorated the progressive wing of the party so we will be able to challenge Trump in 2020 with a candidate people like and trust.

[TSIAS]

119. Conversely

Do you think all the pro-Hillary and anti-Bernie posts made a hill of beans of difference? In a primary where 20 million plus people voted, I doubt much of anything said here mattered.

When it comes to the indictments, I'd be more worried about the FBI than a few people posting on DU.