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Wed May 25, 2016, 08:46 AM

Al Gore had Nader, John Kerry had Dean....

Hillary Clinton has Sanders.

This time it's different. The Party and presumptive nominee will recognize the voters who support Sanders by incorporating some of his policies into the party platform.

Gore and Kerry might have fared better had they adopted some of the policies of their closest competitors.

Sen Sanders will stand with Sec Clinton on the podium and declare that the Democrats are the true party of inclusiveness. He will declare a win for those policies that will help restore the middle class.

Hillary Clinton is very smart and she has already championed this move.

Mark my word. Remember where you heard this.

Love to my progressive peeps!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:48 AM

1. Nader ran as an independent. Dean won only a handful of votes.

 

Completely different times and dynamics.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:54 AM

4. Of course. However, the ability to recognize that the "winner take all" primary mentality

meant that a lot of Democratic primary voters were being left in the dust, could have been taped into, and wasn't. Short sighted for sure...lesson learned? I think so.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:48 AM

2. I hope you are correct!

 

We shall see! We shall see!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:49 AM

3. Kerry's record of service was to the left of Dean's record. Why would you have moved him rightward?

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Response to blm (Reply #3)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:57 AM

6. Dean spoke strongly to the middle class and championing health care and liberal values.

I believe that there would be a stronger voter turn out if voters felt when they cast their vote, while their candidate didn't win, they were still heard.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:04 AM

9. I believe you are actually unfamiliar with Kerry's record and campaign and drawn in by corpmedia

rhetoric and labels.

Kerry was the most liberal nominee this nation has had since McGovern. Plus, Kerry is the strongest ANTI-CORRUPTION lawmaker this nation has had in the last half-century.

It's obvious to me you don't much about Kerry and bought into the corpmedia's 'protectBushatallcost' narratives.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:55 AM

5. Gore had Harris purging voting roles

 

and GOP operatives protesting he also made a mistake by distancing himself from Clinton. Kerry had Ohio, including a suspicious death and swiftboating. Bush was never the duly elected President.

Hillary has the DNC pulling strings on her behalf and still hasn't "sealed the deal". Hmmmmm.

Never Hillary.

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Response to SciFiRK (Reply #5)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:59 AM

7. All true. However a stronger voter turn out might not have left the wiggle room for such

dirty tricks.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #7)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:10 AM

10. Then you don't understand HOW easy it was for Rove's operatives to change vote totals once

they controlled the vote count.

Democratic infrastructure was collapsed in Ohio and rendered powerless in the years before that 2004 election.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:03 AM

8. I hope you are right because Hillary is a lot more disliked and mistrusted than Gore or Kerry

 

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:13 AM

11. Clinton already has most of the same in the policies as Sanders. So Sanders will inevitably take

 

credit, because that is the man that he is, but.... They have been and will always be Clintons and the Democratic party. I am tired of the man claiming what we have always represented.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:41 AM

12. Nader got less than 1% of the vote in Gore's home state of Tennessee

 

Which GWB carried by 6%

The crazy state of Florida and Harris/Rove would have been rendered meaningless

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