Bernie or bust? I'll tell you why I am pretty much sticking with that after much thought.

[Seeinghope]

Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq killing 1 million people when we all knew that there was no good reason to go into Iraq. She knew even more than most since her husband was President of the United States the year before. As Secretary of State she armed and funded crazy Islamists and destabilised two modern countries Libya and Syria which are now failed states and unstable states with refugees pouring out to….! How do I forget or excuse any of this?


I simply cannot get over someone voting for Iraq and then act like they forgot that vote and the result by a politician and then when given the chance repeat the same action 2 more times with a possibility of more times to come.

She has never tried to prove that sometimes taking a peaceful solution is the better way to approach problems and that going to war or deposing leaders in other countries can do more harm than good. No she is still talking wara and only war.

She has been proven over and over again to be a dishonest person. Running from enemy fire on the Tarmac, no one was killed in Benghazi, emails were all turned over. Her position on the minimum wage, she wanted $12/hour, but since Bernie’s $15/hour is more popular, she claimed she wanted $15/hour too, but it would be up to the states and cities. Pressed, she conceded she’d “like” $15/hour, but wouldn’t lift a finger to make it happen federally. Incredibly, she still does this. Then there’s her lie about the auto bailout. Fact checkers call her claim that Bernie voted against it untrue; he voted against bailouts for Wall Street, some of which was attached to aid for automobile companies. Despite being called on this, she still uses it on the campaign trail.


Her continued evasiveness on all of the speeches on Wall Street. Her continued relationship with Sidney Blumenthal while Secretary of State discussing state business after Sidney Blumenthal was denied a position in the State Department by the White House. Putting a private server in her basement without clearing it thru the White House and sending State Department business e-mails that used that server. Hillary Clinton is not a stupid woman, she knows all about security and how sensitive information from the State Department is. She also knows that there is certain testing that needs to be done before a server could ever be used for State Departmemt business. Again was she trying to hide things or just above following the rules? While a Secretary of State, the Clinton Foundation received hundreds of millions of dollars of donations from foreign countries some from the M.E. who in turn received arms contracts from the State Departmemt.

The primary fight against Bernie has been one dirty trick after another. Her allies in the DNC schemed to deny Bernie media coverage or a decent debate schedule. They rigged the superdelegate process. They made sure votes and caucusgoers weren’t counted and that voter registrations in Bernie strongholds mysteriously disappeared.


Will Trump be worse?????? Am I suppose to vote for a candidate? Hillary Clinton is not a candidate that I can vote for. The thought of what she will do with all of that power and virtually no oversight scares me more than Trump. She knows the game and the players. She is skilled at doing what she wants. She will hit the Tarmac running. She is the one to be more fearful of. I don’t see anything that she has really done that I can be really comfortable or proud of.

Her record as a Senator for the State of New York is barely fair. Her record as Secretary of State is deplorable. John Kerry is still cleaning up the mess. Isis thanks her though.

Give me a reason to vote for Hillary Clinton. Don’t use the scary Donald Trump one either. Tell me what is good for a middle class citizen to have Hillary Clinton in the White House.

[Tavarious Jackson]

1. No one cares

[RobertEarl]

15. No one cares what you think, TJ

Seeinghope, thanks for your sober and well thought out OP.

[Seeinghope]

37. Thank you! Thoughts are in turmoil right now. Post went to chopping block, thank to the jury that

saved it! Sober, depressing, angered, flabbergasted.......I could go on and on. There is still a glimmer of hope. Until then I just have to keep myself somewhat distracted".

[kstewart33]

84. Geez Louise.

SH, your vote is your own. Decide for yourself how you will vote.

If you want to vote for Trump, then do so.

But no one on DU should spend time convincing you to support Hillary instead of Trump. You're one guy/gal out of thousands here.

Just make up your mind and vote. Or don't vote.

Just like everyone else does.

[840high]

26. I care.

[HooptieWagon]

28. Tell Brock y'all need better scripts.

[xloadiex]

33. By the post to by the word? N/T

[Buddyblazon]

47. Oh look...

Yet another Hillary supporter that joined a few days ago.

It's like you guys aren't even trying to look legitimate anymore.

[chwaliszewski]

51. I care.

A whole bunch, in fact.

[VulgarPoet]

62. Yeah, we know you and your Third Way ilk don't care for veterans unless they're body-bagged.

Hell, not even then, from how much y'all keep chomping at the bit to send us back.

[Lizzie Poppet]

66. Yet yours was the first reply.

You're not fooling anyone, save perhaps yourself.

[fancypants75]

78. You replied in less than a minute, you didn't even pretend to read it.

I see you're just refreshing the index so you can get that top post into new threads, huh?

[HassleCat]

2. That war might do it for me.

I still haven't decided whether or not to vote for Clinton, but the Iraq war seems like adequate justification, just by itself, for not voting for president. If I vote for Clinton, it will be because Trump is too scary. As you say, that's not really a "reason" in the sense I would use it to say, "Here's why I like this candidate." It's a vote out of fear, and I'm reluctant to fall into that mode.

[katsy]

3. I'm a SBS supporter.

If I didn't think that we won't have Supreme Court vacancies in the next couple of election cycles, I'd vote my conscious.

We can get over a trump disaster in the White House. With much undo suffering I know. But still, we survived bush, the country would survive trump.

IMO, we can't get over a trump SC appointments.

I'm not willing to risk women's or civil rights to a right wing justice or two.

Make no mistake, none of this can affect me but a trump SC justice will affect my children.

So I'll vote d.

[IdaBriggs]

6. Apparently Congress can decide not to confirm justices.

If I actually believed Hillary would appoint lefty judges, that argument might almost sway me.

I don't believe her.

[katsy]

8. They will confirm. They will not go 8 years

(assuming reelection) without confirming a presidents nominees.

It's a lifetime appointment. I've read who is on his list of SC nominees. There is no denying this would be a disaster for all our hard earned civil rights.

If there was a stable court with younger justices it would be a no brainer for me.

I don't trust HRC either. But her nominees wouldn't destroy the nation. Trumps will.

[Seeinghope]

22. That is the ONE STRONG REASON that is holding me to the Democrats.

The SCOTUS is scary/devastating if we get some overly Conservative Justices. I don't know why Obama is putting up with this shit from the pubs. It is ridiculous. Why let the get by with this? It makes no sense? Why leave it up to chance?

[GoneFishin]

79. Probably to put pressure on everyone left of center to hold their nose for Hillary because SCOTUS!

It amplifies the lesser of two evils scare tactic.

[TwilightZone]

12. She's been very supportive of the four liberal justices on the court

and Bill nominated Ginsburg, of course. There's little reason to believe that she wouldn't nominate liberal judges.

[Buzz cook]

16. There have never been leftists on the court.

Ruth Ginsberg is one of the more liberal justices we've had and she's relatively centrist politically.

[840high]

27. I don't believe it either. She changes

daily. I know what Bernie believes and I like it.

[saucy007]

4. It is very sad

I feel exactly the same as you, this primary has destroyed the small amount of faith I used to have in the democratic process.

[VulgarPoet]

63. I've lost faith in the process, in the party, hell, even in the intelligence of my common man.

Solipsistic, maybe; but it's a welcome defense against what I can only deem blinding ignorance or flagrant betrayal.

[DookDook]

68. Do you know how they sometimes catch monkeys?

I had a teacher who told us a story about how they used to catch monkeys by burying jars in the ground that had long necks and wide bottoms. They would put in a bunch of peanuts and the monkey would smell the peanuts, reach into the jar and grab a handful of nuts. Then the monkey would find that his hand was stuck, if the monkey just let go of the nuts they would be able to escape, but that would mean leaving their peanuts behind. So the monkey would eventually fall asleep while clasping his peanuts and then the monkey hunter would throw the net.

I don't think that man is that far off from monkeys. So apply that reasoning to any action that people are taking. They refuse to give up their comforts now to face uncertainty later. I haven't lost faith in common man because I never trusted him all that much to begin with.

I think Terry Pratchett had a part in one of his Discworld books where someone talks about the fact that you just need to think of your average citizen and then remind yourself that half the population is stupider than them and that's all you need to know about society.

What I'm really shocked about is how open some people are about their selfishness. I know that Ayn Rand talked about selfishness being a virtue, but that's why it was always the republicans that embraced her philosophy of Objectivism, I always thought we were better than that, but as I've said in other posts, this primary has really opened up my eyes.

[VulgarPoet]

69. I think I was like seventeen when I read the Fountainhead.

Or maybe I should say "Got halfway through, realized wow this is grade-A horseshit, then donated the book to the local library". Never thought I'd see the day where people who call themselves democrats embraced Objectivism, but hey. Sign of the times, right? Very thought provoking post, mate. (And that quote from Sir Terry Pratchett is incredibly reminiscent of Louis C.K., great minds/same channels?)

[truedelphi]

72. Did you ever hear the tale of How when Adlai Stephenson was running for

President, he gave one of his usual excellent speeches.

At the end of it, someone in the crowd yelled out, "Adlai, every thinking person in America will vote for you."

And Stephenson's retort was, "But I need a majority of the voters in order to win it!"

[VulgarPoet]

80. That's actually pretty amusing.

I try to be an optimist about stuff like this, but... I've been all out of optimism since maybe February. Cold realism towards the average American at this point.

[SFnomad]

5. tRump thanks you for your support n/t

[840high]

29. Tell him hi. you seem

to know him.

[chwaliszewski]

52. Maybe you can give Trump a hug from us next time you see him.

[Trust Buster]

7. Fine, just quit whining about it. I regret to inform you that the world doesn't revolve around you.

[Seeinghope]

19. I never said that it revolved around me.

I voiced my reasons for being close to absolutely not voting for Hillary Clinton if she becomes the nominee. Even if it is an illegitimate nominee. This is a discussion forum about the Presidential Primaries. People are suppose to be able to voice their opinions. If you have a problem with it then you are in the wrong place.

[Trust Buster]

20. And I'm just expressing that we don't care what you do with your sour grapes.

[Seeinghope]

23. Thank you for your thoughtful and well thought out response.

[840high]

30. we"? I care

[Buddyblazon]

48. How ironic that you are calling her out...

For sour grapes while you yourself are acting like a petulant teenager.

She eloquently and in an articulate manner explained her position...you come in and scream,"NOBODY CARES!!!".

Buddy...you are the epitome of sour grapes here.

[closeupready]

50. YOU don't care, and you don't speak for me, Trust Buster.

[chwaliszewski]

53. You don't speak for me, Buster.

[newrevolution]

70. I care

[Armstead]

76. Multiply that by many millions and you might fucking care

[VulgarPoet]

81. Wouldn't be the first thing you and yours didn't care about.

How many soldiers are you going to kill in the next eight years with your vote for the woman who destroyed Libya?

[truedelphi]

9. Aha! You might have the Truth on your side, but

She has all that lovely foundation money that Bill earned by giving out Presidential pardons to criminals like Marc Rich. And Bill played smart enough that the quid pro quo's came along some years later.

And if it is suspect to think that some of the lovely State Department monies that went missing, went to such Institutes like the Laureate Institute, one of educational mission statements, and then Bill was given an honorarium by said Institute, and with that honorarium came a three million dollar, er, gift, annually, well, it is only suspect. I mean, will the Justice Department under Obama consider the whole truth, and then prosecute Mrs Clinton, or decide it is better to have Clinton in the WH than Trump?

Anyway, after HRC reads your post, she will be after you and your little doggie Toto too! She has the funds to do it.

[Seeinghope]

10. She has nothing to worry about. She and Bill are untouchable.

[truedelphi]

85. Ain't it the truth.

When "her" book "It Takes a Village" came out, I kept waiting for one journalist somewhere, anywhere to say, "But, Hillary, didn't your boss and personal friend destroy the village? While you stood by his side?"

The boss and personal friend being Sam Walton, whose empire Walmart destroyed small town, mom and pop stores all across America at the same exact time that Hill was the guy's personal attorney.

But no, all the women journalists were just too dazzled by her. She was so smart, so savvy, so well off in being married to the charismatic Golden Boy Bill Clinton, that the only questions asked of her were about her life with Bill, and about the satisfaction she felt in writing such a wonderful book about how a society needs to provide for its children.

Oh and usually her resume deletes any mention of her days with Walton!

[hack89]

11. If Trump works best for your situation go for it.

It is not reasonable to ask people to not put their selfish self interest first.

[Doctor Jack]

13. Clinton is far from perfect but

I think she would make at least a competent president. I cant see her doing much to change the country for the better but she would at least be a good enough placeholder until someone better could get in.

If she is the nominee, i will gladly vote for her. I fear she might lose to the racist circus peanut the Republicans have nominated but I still have no problem voting for her.

[Andy823]

14. Yeah, yeah

More right wing BS designed to try and stir things up and cause more fighting. You guys really need to get some new material. Is so damned obvious as to what you are doing.

[Seeinghope]

21. What is so puzzling to this forever longtime liberal is WHY none of these things matter to you?

Pointing a finger at me and accusing me of working for the other side when it is you who is that is supporting a candidate who is more Republican than Democratic Liberal. The fact that nothing that I mentioned ..fact fact fact..matters to you makes me think that Hillary Clinton supporters are from an alternate universe . No real authentic liberal Democrat would support Hillary Clinton. #1 reason would be her love for wars hence seemingly unconcerned for the millions more lives that can be lost and will be lost. She is not a humanitarian, over a million lives have been lost already. Remember Vietnam? Remember the protestors? Those were the hearts of Democrat Liberals. Human Rights at it's very core. Something that is apparently beyond you.

[nc4bo]

17. Jury results.

On Tue May 24, 2016, 09:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie or bust? I'll tell you why I am pretty much sticking with that after much thought.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512045535

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Please. let's make the TOS mean something again: "advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 24, 2016, 09:56 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 1. In the subject line, OP made a statement that does NOT say he will not he will or will not. He used the words "pretty much", couple that with my 2nd paragraph and he is not saying he will or will not. Rather, he's asking a very specific question that deserves an answer. (*see below) 2. At the very, very, very end of this OPs post, OP asks: "Give me a reason to vote for Hillary Clinton. Don't use the scary Donald Trump one either. Tell me what is good for a middle class citizen to have Hillary Clinton in the White House. " and 3. We are STILL in PRIMARY season. We have not held our convention and we do not have a nominee YET. Is a HRC supporter going to answer him, or not?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Self-righeous, sanctimonious, misinformed and in violation of multiple DU rules.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Enough of this already.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I sympathize with you. You laid out some good reasons for disliking and distrusting her. But it crosses the line to suggest that Trump could be better. Abstain from voting, vote third party, write in a vote -- I would not hide a post with any of those suggestions during the primary. But please don't even obliquely suggest that Trump could possibly be better a better choice.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Debate it.

[B Calm]

54. Juror #1 +1

[pansypoo53219]

18. hillary will be bad. but tRUMP is hitleresuqe bad.

[BootinUp]

24. Apparently you have been fed lies about her vote, not surprising

what WOULD be surprising is if you were the LEAST bit interested in the truth, both on Iraq and Syria.

On Iraq she neither voted for WAR nor did she ever support Bush's decision to invade. The vote was to force UN inspections. Let me know if you want to watch her speech.

On Syria, she supported a UN authorized action to protect civilians, not to depose Gadaffi. I am sure you can google it up, but if you can't find it, let me know.

Pleae get your facts straight. Come out of the Bern Bubble.

[Seeinghope]

35. 3 for 3. You need to read up on it.

The Inspectors were in Iraq. They were called to get out of Iraq because the attack was going to take place. She voted in favor of the IWR. Bush orchestrated the process of swaying everybody to support the attack in Iraq. The climax was The State of the Union address when he talked about the "mushroom cloud" and inferred that the Iraqi's had the capabilities had the ability to nuke. I read Hillary Clinton speech and she did vote to give Bush authorization to use force against Iraq if it was absolutely necessary. Of course "what was absolutely necessary" may have had different meaning to the two of them.

Gaddafi is in Libya not Syria. Gaddafi was deposed and Libya is now a failed state because of it. People are fleeing the country because of murderous rampages and lawlessness in general. The birth of ISIS happened because of the actions taken by all of this.

The Syrian War is not mostly about Bashar al-Assad, or even about Syria itself. It is mostly a war, about Iran. In 2010, she supported secret negotiations between Israel and Syria to attempt to take Syria from Iran’s influence. Those talks failed. Then the CIA and Clinton pressed successfully for Plan B: to overthrow Assad. Now over250,00 people have been killed and over 8 million homless/displaced.

"Hillary herself has never shown the least reservation or scruples in deploying this instrument of U.S. foreign policy. Her record of avid support for US-led regime change includes (but is not limited to) the US bombing of Belgrade in 1999, the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the Iraq War in 2003, the Honduran coup in 2009, the killing of Libya’s Muammar Qaddafi in 2011, and the CIA-coordinated insurrection against Assad from 2011 until today."

[BootinUp]

36. I meant Libya.

Apparently wasn't focused on my post too well when I typed it. I don't need to read up on Iraq or Libya or Syria to explain how you twist her vote. Nor to explain how you ignore what the reason for the Libyan action was.

[Seeinghope]

38. Well you are wrong. She voted for the IWR, she deposed Gadhaffi and tried to turn Syria against

Iran. Those are the facts.

[BootinUp]

42. "she deposed Gadhaffi"

Why would you type something so ignorant? I swear the lefties won't be happy until we lose like McGovern. They make shit up to take down the candidates that can win a GE to put Bernie in there.

"and tried to turn Syria against Iran" You would have to explain that to me, first time I've seen that formulation.

You realize she was only the Secretary of State with quite limited power at the time.

As for the IWR, I never claimed she didn't vote for it, just that you either don't know what it did or distorted her reasons for voting for it.

[Seeinghope]

40. I gave you the courtesy of reading AGAIN what YOU may havemininterpreted.

I watched it all unfold in realtime. I paid very close attention to all of it in real time. I know what went down. So , I know how it went down and I know (at least partly) why it went down.

[truedelphi]

71. Thank you for being courteous and instructive to people

I should probably have on ignore.

My blood pressure and what not.

[Babel_17]

43. Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

[Seeinghope]

44. Thank you! We all know how that turn outa, everybody and their mother knew that there no WMD,

[BootinUp]

46. "everybody knew there were no WMD". More cra cra.

There's a difference between believing, proving, knowing. The only downside to giving Bush authority was if you could read his mind. The downside to not giving him the authority is we would have been slaughtered in the next election and then we would have no say whatsoever.

[oasis]

60. Bush shut out weapons inspector, Hans Blix to begin shock and awe.

How were Senators who signed the IWR supposed to know they would be double crossed?

Many here would never vote Hillary regardless of her IWR vote, it's just a convenient excuse to conceal their longtime contempt for everything Clinton.

[Seeinghope]

73. The weapons inspectors said that there was not any WMD what was left over was degraded and useless.

[BootinUp]

77. Sadaam was interfering with the inspections. But to understand her vote

I highly recommend you listen to Hillary's speech, its in 2 parts at this thread, about 20 minutes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511948709



The wiki on the IWR and the Iraq Invasion might also be worth a look.

[Seeinghope]

25. Trump won't know what hit him when he gets in the White House . Pretty much like W

Except W had been around politics all much of his life. He also had the advisors of his father and his advisors (if that was in fact help at all). They knew what was going on at least. Trump literally knows NOTHING.

He will have to spend so much time trying to figure out what is going on and who is who that hopefully nothing much will go on in the beginning and there won't be anything urgent that will need to be handled.

[840high]

31. Obama did not know much. Not much political

experience.

[Babel_17]

32. Thanks for taking the time for a well thought out OP

K&R

[Seeinghope]

39. Thank you! It is nice when someone recognizes that person is really thinking about the decision

that has to be made in November. That it should not be taken lightly. Hard questions have to be asked and answered. Honest discussion, not just flowery campaign speeches or slogans or the today's newest headline..... I appreciate your words!

[xloadiex]

34. Clinton owes too many favors N/T

[cantbeserious]

58. And Is Beholden To The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks

eom

[BainsBane]

41. There are many reasons to vote for her

involving issues and policy: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Bernie is not running in the General Election, so after the caucus/primary you have no opportunity to vote for him. There are a very dramatic set of policy differences between the Democratic Party and the GOP. If you decide that policy and issues matter to you, and if you did support Bernie's agenda, the choice to vote for Clinton should be clear. Many voters, however, do not vote based on issues or policy but on cultural sorts of identifications, as the New York Times recently discussed. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html
What kind of voter you are is entirely your choice. You have to decide if the people of the country enter into your concerns or if your anger at Clinton and the majority of Democratic voters who supported her is more important to you.

I personally find a notion of politics so tethered to individual politicians empty. Nothing endures beyond a single election cycle, and I find that level of reverence for a politician to bridge on the anti-egalitarian. But of course every voter is within their rights to make decisions based on their own criteria.

[BzaDem]

45. A hypothetical future lefty president isn't much good if all their legislation is struck down by the

Supreme Court nominees that Trump selects in 2017.

That alone should be a sufficient reason. Whatever you think of Hillary, she isn't going to appoint nominees that strike down progressive legislation as unconstitutional, for being progressive legislation. She will likely appoint nominees like Ginsberg and Breyer (who her husband appointed).

Furthermore, a Clinton nominee would vote to strike down voter ID laws, and other laws that are intended to disenfranchise left-leaning voters. A Republican nominee would not. So a Clinton nominee makes it more likely for there to be a progressive president in the first place.

[oberliner]

49. "The thought of what she'll do with all that power/virtually no oversight scares me more than Trump"

What is it that you think she will do that makes her scarier than Trump?

[VulgarPoet]

82. War with Iran, which will lead to war with Russia and every other country in the sand pit.

Or vice-versa. Or sending our troops to die in Syria or Libya, both failed states that she had hands in. Basically, wasting the blood and the lives of our servicemembers over "business opportunities". To be fair, I'm scared that both of 'em will do it.

[oberliner]

83. She vociferously supported the Iran deal that Republicans opposed

I feel that the US is much more likely to get involved with a major international conflict with Trump as president.

[MFM008]

55. Nothing HRC could do would be worse than Trump

N O T H I N G
Its a ridiculous thing to even think about.
Vote for her or don't, but don't give me this everything is a lie....
evasive..... blah blah, next it will be Vince Foster , Bill Clinton killed
Martin Luther King or some silliness.

[B Calm]

56. So your only reason for voting for Hillary is because she's

better than the other option. Got it!

[cantbeserious]

57. Agreed - HRC Has Not Earned The Vote Of This Citizen Either

eom

[Jack Bone]

59. K & R nt

[JoePhilly]

61. Lots of tin foil hat stuff in there.

Stay home ... Vote Green ... Write in Mickey Mouse ... or Bernie Sanders.

They are all the same anyway so it does not really matter which you choose.

It would be a waste of time trying to "give you a reason".

You've already decided Hillary is evil incarnate.

The rest of us will be moving on to the general election.

[JEB]

64. Why have both parties put up bottom of the barrel candidates?

If I had to answer with one word, that word would be corruption.

[Time for change]

65. Excellent summary

I feel similarly.

[realmirage]

67. I have no idea whether you're a trump supporter in disguise

So this kind of announcement means nothing to me.

[Seeinghope]

75. This is what I wrote about Trump to one of his "supporters" you decide

TRUMP THE CANDIDATE THAT THE REPUBLICANS NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN; ALTHOUGH SHOCKED AND UPSET; WILL SUPPORT HIM FULLY….AS ALWAYS

If one "woman" debate moderator has upset him so much then this man has been shown to have very very thin skin. Not a great characteristic for someone who has a big mouth and freely hurls insults at anybody he pleases. He has also been shown to be very childish. "If she is there, then I won't be." Is this how we want our leader to act? If this is how Trump handled and perceived unfair treatment from Megyn Kelly? How will he handle insulting and dangerous world leaders?


What will happen during press conferences? Will he only allow allow attendance of the reporters that he favours? Will we hear only what he wants us to hear?

What does Trump know about foreign policy? How long will it take for him to be able to learn enough to be able to have sound judgement about pressing issues? Taking a crash course by other people is not enough. How will he know that these people really have all of the information and that their judgement is unclouded and correct? He is a star with a huge ego and zilch information on the job he wants to undertake.

In moments of tense negotiations with other leaders that threaten the safety of millions of people can Trump actually put his ego aside? Can Trump shut his loud mouth and speak with character and respect while possibly not receiving the same back?


Does Trump know what a "delicate balance" is?

This man wants access to the "black" button???????

Trump is just a major threat to this country. He speaks to the worst in us, not the best. Many people are empowered to continue to point fingers, revel in discrimination and support policies that will further alienate us from the ME. This will cause increased anti-American sentiment. Our allies will become more alarmed by our policies and begin to seperate themselves from us. We will become more isolated during a time when we need as much support and good will as possible.

He wants to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it! Beyond laughable!

He wants to deport 8 million people. This is not even possible. Trying will cause human rights violations.

He wants to stop Muslims from coming into this country…...O.K. piss off the very people that you need to help you weed out fhe radical terrorists from their communities and ours. Meanwhile the rest of the millions of Muslims that have nothing to do with any of the terrorism will begin to resent the way that we have started treating them...you know….being prejudiced against all of the Muslim population.

Then there are the Muslims in this country that already live here, will they become pariahs? Our countries new anti Muslim sentiment will surely spill over to those who want to find someone to offend, find ro hate….we’ll start breeding terrorism right here in the U.S.A. Don’t think it will happen? I have one word for you. Naive.

AT HIS SPEECHES

“Just let them fight it out, literally fight it out!
“Go home to mommy! Go home and get a job!”
"Big mouth! Get him out!"
"Like to punch him in the face"
"I promise you I will pay the legal fees"
"If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato knock the crap out of them, seriously."
"I'll tell you in the good old days they'd rip him out of seat so fast. But today everybody is so politically correct. Going to Hell"
"Are you from Mexico? Are you from Mexico? Get out of here!"
"just knock the hell- I promise you I will pay for the legal fees."
"Let them fight it out, literally fight it out."


Yep, the Republican Party has reached a new low. There must not be anymore statesman in the Republican Party, instead they have to settle for the billionaire Bozo the Clown. The King of sexism, prejudice, racism, radical, pro violence, doesn’t want to pay his fair share of taxes, doesn’t care about the middle class.

The hypocrisy of the Fundamentalists is staggering. A man who is 2x divorced, who has cheated on his wife. His current wife was an underwear model and posed just about naked, as well as in a thong sporting a gun. Yet the Republicans went batshit crazy when Michelle Obama had on a sleeveless dress!!!!!!!! Hippocrite much what else is new though?

Yep, this a new low for the Republican Party to go, and they march like good soldiers all nice and compliant in neat little rows.

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