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Tue May 24, 2016, 07:07 AM

Hillary has been magnanimous and offered generous concessions to Bernie ...

... in the form of major influence on the Democratic Party platform-writing body.

Bernie has accomplished all he is going to accomplish.

He is welcome to continue campaigning up to the convention, but it is now time for him to stop with the aggression and divisiveness aimed at the Democratic party and its presumptive nominee.

Kudos to the Clinton campaign for the unifying gesture.

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Reply Hillary has been magnanimous and offered generous concessions to Bernie ... (Original post)
salinsky May 2016 OP
Perogie May 2016 #1
Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #20
LuvLoogie May 2016 #85
beachbum bob May 2016 #2
Armstead May 2016 #3
beachbum bob May 2016 #8
Armstead May 2016 #10
merrily May 2016 #6
Scootaloo May 2016 #23
merrily May 2016 #4
Kentonio May 2016 #5
salinsky May 2016 #12
lagomorph777 May 2016 #38
oberliner May 2016 #40
cali May 2016 #7
fun n serious May 2016 #19
Betty Karlson May 2016 #9
salinsky May 2016 #11
Betty Karlson May 2016 #14
salinsky May 2016 #17
SwampG8r May 2016 #21
salinsky May 2016 #31
oasis May 2016 #36
SwampG8r May 2016 #37
salinsky May 2016 #43
Betty Karlson May 2016 #48
SwampG8r May 2016 #52
Scootaloo May 2016 #24
Skwmom May 2016 #13
brush May 2016 #33
Skwmom May 2016 #46
brush May 2016 #49
salinsky May 2016 #15
uponit7771 May 2016 #16
Scootaloo May 2016 #25
JudyM May 2016 #29
oberliner May 2016 #41
uponit7771 May 2016 #56
Scootaloo May 2016 #61
oberliner May 2016 #63
Scootaloo May 2016 #65
oberliner May 2016 #71
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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:10 AM

1. I think it's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH

If he believes there is wrong in the Democratic Party he should shout it out for all to hear.

I support that.

You seem to support Lockstep devotion.

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Response to Perogie (Reply #1)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:18 AM

20. Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with writing the party platform.

 

You have freedom of speech, you do not have freedom to write the party platform. You're attacking someone who wasn't saying anything negative about anyone.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #20)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:13 AM

85. What are they going to do for rage endorphins after Bernie concedes?

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:10 AM

2. nothing matters to sanders, he will do what he is doing, destroy democratic unity and the party

 

time to admit it. He wants trump to be our next president

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #2)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:12 AM

3. Total foolishness....He can't stand Trump and you know it

 

or at least you should know it if you bother to pay attention to anything

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Response to Armstead (Reply #3)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:24 AM

8. sanders cares more about hearing himself talk than anything else, his ego is out of

 

control and he has crossed the line....as far as I care....he is no better than trump at this point...everyday he proves it

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:33 AM

10. Silly personalized snitting....Bernie still speaks for millions and millions of people

 

You can try to marginalize that all you want by attributing it all to bernie's personality, but it is a fact that he is a messenger for a very large spectrum, including many Democratic loyalists.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #2)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:15 AM

6. The opposite of the truth about Sanders.

What is the only thing Hillary cares about?

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #2)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:49 AM

23. And how exactly is he "destroying the party"?

 

Show me the evidence of the party crumbling because of Bernie, please. Actual evidence, not "Rando on the internet says" evidence.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:13 AM

4. Magnanimous Maggie, LOL!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:14 AM

5. A few seats on the platform committee is 'generous' for a major party candidate?

 

You're cute.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:42 AM

12. A simple "thank you" would suffice ... nt

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:31 AM

38. Sure, she's doing it out of the goodness of her heart.

She is doing it because she knows millions of people will stay home if she doesn't acknowledge our demands.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:36 AM

40. Yes, it's actually unprecedented in party history

 

Every other time, the chair just picks whoever they want.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:16 AM

7. Oh, he'll accomplish more.

 

And she has no choice.

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Response to cali (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:54 AM

19. He has no more leverage left.

 

The damage is done. Hillary not only should not but can not accept his endorcement after he has painted her crooked and evil state after state. He has nothing left. Unity? Nope. those that will, will and those that won't.. wont. She has to now rely on Obama, Biden and others to campaign with her. All he can do now is attract protesters to Philly for a few days. So what. Not worth the risk of losing your base by bargaining with him.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:31 AM

9. Magnanimity and Clinton in the same sentence:

 

that put upon the semantics and logical resources of the English language a heavier burden than it reasonably can be expected to bear.

Unifying gesture: belated realisation that even Sanders can't sway his supporters to come around to the camp that IS STILL TREATING THEM WITH CONTEMPT, when he has nothing to show in the way of concessions. The divisiveness came when camp Weathervane slung its accusations of racism, sexism, complacency, sluttiness, dupes, and general Hellboundness. And then came the praise for Nancy fucking Reagan. All that was aggression. None of it came from Bernie. Clinton deserves to go down to a most ignomineous defeat in California.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #9)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:42 AM

11. Ingrate ... nt

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Response to salinsky (Reply #11)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:44 AM

14. What should I be grateful for?

 

Be careful you don't cross the line into a personal attack on me. You know the TOS as well as I do.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #14)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:47 AM

17. "Ungrateful" is not a personal attack ....

"Magnanimity consists in enduring tactlessness with mildness". - Democritus

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Response to salinsky (Reply #17)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:33 AM

21. Ungrateful isnt a personal.attack but " ingrate" is

So semantic fail.

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #21)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:05 AM

31. "Ingrate" means an ungrateful person ...

... period.

It is not a personal attack.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #31)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:22 AM

36. Correct. No way "ingrate" gets a single hide in a jury. The alerter

would be called worse for annoying members with petty nonsense.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #31)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:29 AM

37. An offensive term in general when applied in specific is a personal attack.

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #37)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:40 AM

43. It's not an offensive term ...

Bernie is an ingrate for naming someone as divisive as Cornell West to the DNC platform committee.

See? ... not a personal attack.

Entirely factual.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #43)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:58 AM

48. Oh so Bernie is an ingrate for not nominating pre-approved cmmittee members?

 

But Clinton is magnanimous for having Debbie on her side.

Yes, and the "ingrate" wasn't directed at me?

I'm sorry, but I think you re confusing some of David Brock's talking points at this time.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #43)

Tue May 24, 2016, 11:58 AM

52. Not factual and an ugly offensive attack on the democratic candidate

For what does he owe this gratitude? To who does he owe it?
You dont like west good for you
a buck and your disapproval might get a cup of mc coffee .
The belief that sanders owes the dnc for anything is central to your delusion of ungrateful.behaviour .

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #14)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:51 AM

24. The ToS doesn't apply to anyone who supports Clinton here

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:43 AM

13. 5 out of 15 is NOT a major influence. And they accuse Bernie supporters of having problems w/math.


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Response to Skwmom (Reply #13)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:15 AM

33. Clinton only has 6. Should he have as much or more than her?

Of course not. She's ahead in votes and delegates so 6 to 5 is about right.

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Response to brush (Reply #33)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:49 AM

46. The DNC has 4. So basically Clinton has 10.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #46)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:59 AM

49. That's the problem many have with Sanders. He asked to run as a Democrat . . .

yet he wants all the rules changed for him. The DNC always has had seats on the platform committee, along with the winning candidate and the runner-up.

And btw, is he even registered as a Democrat since Vermont doesn't have party registrations?

There are reports that he has already filed as an independent for his 2018 senate run — talk about covering all the bases.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:45 AM

15. Magnanimity seems to be a foreign concept to the Bernie bros ... nt

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:46 AM

16. +1, he doesn't deserve shit his campaign "didnt compete" in the "southern states" and is losing by 3

... 3 million or so votes.

He totally ignored Obama's 08 campaign and decided to go the least diverse route of supporters...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #16)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:57 AM

25. I think you're confusing "didn't compete" with "was noncompetitive"

 

I know you love to claim Bernie ignored the southern states, but... No, he didn't. He campaigned in them. He opened offices in the major southern cities. he hired people, he bought ads. Now, he didn't throw the kind of money into the south that he threw into oh, say, Michigan. But that's likely because of Clinton's already insurmountable lead in the Southern states. She was running 80%, she got 80%.

The fact is uponit, a Jewish liberal wasn't going to win southern voters. Even Democratic southern voters.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:02 AM

29. +1

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:37 AM

41. You think his being Jewish was a factor?

 

If he was a Christian liberal would he have won over southern voters?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #41)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:49 PM

56. +1, Their consummate whining is a turn off

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Response to oberliner (Reply #41)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:23 PM

61. I'm certain it is

 

Same as obama's race, or Clinton's gender, or Webb's being created in a laboratory out of other, smaller politicians.

(I said I'd stop poking at Webb. I LIED.)

I have no idea about what would have happened in Speculative Scenarios. I do know that not being a Christian and not beign a WASP though, certainly had some impact on the outcome.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #61)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:02 PM

63. Bernie lost badly with African-Americans, and did much better with Southern whites

 

Do you think, then, that Bernie being Jewish hurt him in particular with respect to African-American voters?

That was the demographic in the region that voted most overwhelmingly for Hillary over Bernie.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #63)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:15 PM

65. He lost both demographics though

 

Having grown up in Alabama, I can say that the attempt to cast white and black southerners as being radically different is... kind of dumb. Really the only major difference - politically speaking of course - is that black southerners are obviously very pro-black, and white southerners are generally... ambivalent with a trend towards hostile to the concept. Take that away and you've got a fairly uniform political grouping. White and black southerners trend towards conservative ideals, are generally politically Christian, and they harbor very similar biases and attitudes towards demographics beyond the white / black divide.

Why did Sanders lose less-hard with southern whites than with southern blacks? Beats the hell out of me. Maybe because there was no massive campaign to cast Sanders as a frothing anti-white bigot the way there was to cast him as a frothing anti-black bigot?

After all, if propaganda didn't work, all our television would be commercial-free.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #65)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:41 PM

71. That's true

 

Again, I can only speak to the poll results as I am not from the region and have no particular insights. I just know that Hillary won with African-Americans over Bernie by extremely large margins (80-20 was not unusual) and among whites by much smaller margins. That seems statistically significant to me, though I do not know what it signifies. I don't think there was a massive campaign to cast him as a frothing anti-black bigot. Do you really think that is a reasonable claim?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #71)

Wed May 25, 2016, 01:52 AM

73. I think if you missed it, you weren't paying much attention to the primary between August and March

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:47 PM

55. No, I'm not buying into Unicornia.. Weaver and Divine said they DID NOT COMPETE in those states

... so your response on its face is bullshit.

But Team Sanders has a response. “Her grasp now on the nomination is almost entirely on the basis of victories where Bernie Sanders did not compete,” said senior strategist Tad Devine in a March conference call with reporters, listing eight states in the South: Texas, Alabama, Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, and Arkansas. Clinton, Devine continued, “has emerged as a weak frontrunner.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/bernie_sanders_deep_south_excuse_doesn_t_hold_up.html

The fact is uponit, a Jewish liberal wasn't going to win southern voters. Even Democratic southern voters.


More whiny bullshit, the long shot black guy won with damn near the same system Sanders is losing with right now...

Nothing was 'rigged' nothing was anti Jewish (shit, somehow that's harder than being anti black) and nothing was anti Sanders...

Sanders ran a piss poor campaign... PERIOD

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #55)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:20 PM

60. Except of course, he did compete there

 

Plenty of campaign stops. Plenty of campaign offices. A fair amount of ads.

And pointing out that a Jewish liberal wasn't going to win over southern Democrats isn't "whiny," it's simple acknowledgement of facts. Barack obama ain't got anything to do with that, so I dunno what you're trying to get out of that.

And considering Sanders came out of nowhere, started at 3% with no name recognition and his "official" non-membership of the party, coming out with 40% of the vote ain't too shabby.

If anyone is whining, it's you and your straw-grasping to explain why a nobody from nowhere did so damn well.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #60)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:07 PM

64. Hmmm, someones wrong... I'll take the Campaign managers word for it no offense

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #64)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:20 PM

66. Or you could google.

 

Odds are Mr. Devine is simply meaning that Sanders was not competitive in those states. 'Cause he very certainly opened offices, held his rallies, bought ads, etc.

I'm sorry that you were too busy trying to imagine new fig leaves for the obvious reason you hate the man so much that you entirely missed this stuff.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #66)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:21 PM

67. I did and still see what Divine and Weaver say and how much the SPENT... which was very little

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #67)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:30 PM

68. Oh okay, so now that he did compete, you complain he didn't spend enough.

 

"Waiter, the soup is awful and you didn't bring me enough of it!"

I already addressed this before. Clinton's lead in the south was already pretty damned overwhelming as to be insurmountable. Bernie's campaign decided to not shovel their entire budget into the south, since it would have been a Clinton blowout anyway. The campaign allocated funds to make sure there was a Bernie presence, to make sure he was more than just "the other guy in the ballot" at least, and chose to focus on more competitive states.

See, Sanders doesn't have infinite money. It might be an hard thing for a Clinton supporter to try to fathom, but, that's how it is.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #68)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:33 PM

69. Again, I'll take what Divine and Weavers words and deeds were. They didn't spend enough to win

... and backed that up with words about not competing for those states.

Sanders said he'd fight for every vote... except the "southern" ones hunh?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #69)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:37 PM

70. Were you going to vote for him until you found out he didn't drain his treasury for Mississippi?

 

No? I didn't think so.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:51 AM

18. Reform of the Democratic Party is what it is called

The Party has gotten away from "We the People" and Bernie's platform is helping to move it back in that direction. The Primary process is a good thing.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:35 AM

22. Her plans be damned she hasnt won so the gesture is empty

Maybe she should be trying to get concessions from him since she may still yet lose.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:59 AM

26. Did she let him kiss her ring?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #26)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:18 AM

34. Runner-up candidates normally get some say on the platform committee.

I don't get the kerfuffle about this. It's not unprecedented.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:59 AM

27. LOL!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:00 AM

28. she has been very gracious. Hillary is fantastic and will make a great President.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #28)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:10 PM

57. Well said Maria

indeed she will.

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Response to pressbox69 (Reply #57)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:15 PM

59. Thank you.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:02 AM

30. She did not slam him in the last speech, and in fact complimented him. She has a lot of class

 

not sure how to describe Bernie's bitter, vindictive, crusty, angry, lying, inflammatory rhetoric. Oh wait, I just did.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:06 AM

32. Such As ...

eom

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:22 AM

35. By all means, wish away the revolution.

Or pretend that Sanders is its author.

The Establishment still has an uncomfortable future ahead, to the precise extent that they live in denial.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #35)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:39 AM

42. Hello exactly!!!

Take a look at the crowd at a Sanders event. Average age? Probably 30. You have young and old and everywhere in between, but a lot of youthful faces.

Take a look at one of Hillary's events. Many of the 40 or 50 faces are folks that probably won't be alive by the next election, or for certain will be chilling with the FSM by 2024. They are going the way of the dodo bird.

3rd Way politics might win the battle but they will lose the war.

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #42)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:49 AM

45. Of course, you are correct ...

... so with that concession are you willing to acknowledge that it would be better to protect the progress Obama has made, and having that as a starting point for your revolution, as opposed to taking several hundred huge steps backward?

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Response to salinsky (Reply #45)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:56 AM

47. I've always felt that, but she is WAAAY too close to some very bad actors...

And Bernie has shown you don't need dirty corporate cash to fund a campaign.

She could still win over much of the progressive vote, but the DWS playbook needs to be abandoned immediately.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:33 AM

39. ...

 

She's already tried to co-opt Bernie's progressive campaign issues so, she owes his quite a bit this primary cycle

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #39)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:46 AM

44. Yes, she does ...

... and, at this point Bernie has wrung just about every bit of political capital from the process.

He'd be wise to pocket those gains and look forward to where he can best steer his movement outside of the nomination process.

He needs to start thinking about his legacy or he won't have one.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:59 AM

50. ...

 

progressive / liberal ideology doesn't have ego... you assume too much as it pertains to Bernie, this is why HRC and her supporters don't get it, never will

this isn't about political capital, this is about ideology and the heart of what the DEM party should stand for

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Response to salinsky (Reply #44)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:17 PM

58. He will have one

but it could be very unpleasant.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 11:05 AM

51. I'd hardly call the platform "gesture" generous. More like token recognition.

He's not been divisive. He simply calls out unfair treatment by the party, not Hillary, to whom he's been respectful in debates, when he's only debated pro-corporate ideas. He has not attacked her personally.

His differences, well articulated, are what primary politics are all about.

Hillary's "gesture" means more than the party acknowledges, which is the fact that she can't win without Bernie's constituents and she knows it.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:03 PM

53. Sanders has treated HRC and the party fairly.


They are fortunate that Bernie committed to not running as a third party. He could win it all.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:07 PM

54. DWS is in charge of those committee seats.

Look it up.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:24 PM

62. At least you're admitting Hillary and DWS are working as one unit

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #62)

Wed May 25, 2016, 05:25 AM

74. Is it somehow unusual for the head of the DNC to coordinate with ...

... the presumptive nominee?

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:48 PM

72. Hillary coldly leveraged her delegates for the SOS spot amongst other things

 

She went to Obama in an extremely powerful spot and used it to enrich herself.

Bernie getting 5 spots on the platform committee is laughable as a "magnanimous" gesture. I suspect if he's in Hillary's 2008 spot pre-convention Hillary should meet with him and similarly negotiate.

She won't tho, she's notoriously viciously vindictive. Bernie is now a huge enemy.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #72)

Wed May 25, 2016, 05:30 AM

75. She was in a far stronger position in '08 than Bernie is in today ...

... but she warmly and wisely chose unity.

Because she is a Democrat.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #76)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:28 AM

77. It's bad karma to wish ill health on others.

He needs to keep going
Hillary's health could fail her and there is the potential indictment to consider. Both look likely to prevent Hillary being the nominee at this point.




It's bad karma to wish ill health on others. If I were you I would get a physical examination immediately just to make sure.


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Response to Name removed (Reply #80)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:35 AM

82. I stand by my inference.

Nasty... I would say a lot more but my post would be hidden. You can infer what I would say if I felt no such constraints.


Nasty...

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Response to Name removed (Reply #76)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:31 AM

79. Biden is ready in case anything happens

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Response to Name removed (Reply #81)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:48 AM

84. And fewer people voted for Bernie

Sanders lost. The voters picked someone else. He has no more or less right to the nomination than Biden. Sanders shouldn't get it just because he happened to run this cycle.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:30 AM

78. I think they went too far in giving into his;

 

Cornel West is pure poison for this party.

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