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AzDar

(14,023 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:39 AM May 2016

SO SHADY : Hillary Clinton Camp STAGED 'Vets Against Trump' Protest...

It seemed like an outpouring of veteran anger against Donald Trump: over a dozen former service members protesting outside Trump Tower.

But the reality was more complicated. The protest was actually a coordinated effort, led in part by the Hillary Clinton campaign, to embarrass her Republican rival for his failed efforts to raise money for veterans. It only looked like a grassroots demonstration.

A spokesman for the demonstrators insisted they had no affiliation with any campaign. Later he said the protesters had reached out to the Clinton campaign for press contacts, but that’s all. Then the activist finally admitted that, yes, the Clinton campaign had helped organize the protest.

The Clinton campaign initially played down its role in the event, but Murray later said in a statement to The Daily Beast: “[W]e were more than happy to lend some logistical support to the activists who organized today’s protest and we’ll be happy to do the same for any other veterans who want to speak out against Trump’s shameful disrespect.”

An organizer who participated in Saturday’s Clinton campaign-led conference call also said McCoy had discouraged the participation of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) or other major veterans groups to prevent them from claiming the limelight. Nevertheless, one veterans organizer said, the result was an astroturfed political stunt rather than an expression of grassroots outrage.
“Trump has time after time fucked us over,” said the frustrated organizer. “But what are we doing here? Why was the protest organized this way? Why were veterans groups shut out? It’s disappointing.”
more @ link:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-s-camp-staged-veterans-against-trump-protest.html

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SO SHADY : Hillary Clinton Camp STAGED 'Vets Against Trump' Protest... (Original Post) AzDar May 2016 OP
The Potemkin Candidate Art_from_Ark May 2016 #1
Mayberry Machiavelli Fumesucker May 2016 #29
This is the best description of her candidacy yet. Nobody goes to her rallies, nobody puts up signs. reformist2 May 2016 #56
If she's going to be ratfucking Trump she'll have to be more sneaky about it. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #2
Oh, I see. So you're UPSET that the campaign assisted some Veterans in undermining Trumps campaign. Maru Kitteh May 2016 #118
While I think tRump's actions deserve attention angrychair May 2016 #139
They can't help themselves. HubertHeaver May 2016 #3
Trump and Bernie supporters are going to be very angry about this. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #4
clearly. BootinUp May 2016 #24
:) Cali_Democrat May 2016 #37
+1000 stonecutter357 May 2016 #52
Why yes. I'm irked that the campaign astroturfed so poorly. cali May 2016 #55
As we can see Vogon_Glory May 2016 #102
That's an easy out. n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #148
Fake candidate stages fake protest. frylock May 2016 #115
Can you believe Bernie is losing to a fake candidate? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #116
What's pretty fucking pathetic is that if this were a level playing field.. frylock May 2016 #136
Cry me a river Cali_Democrat May 2016 #140
Head in the sand. frylock May 2016 #141
Yep. You do indeed have your head in the sand Cali_Democrat May 2016 #142
I know you are, but what am I? frylock May 2016 #143
LOL fleabiscuit May 2016 #147
Clumsy dirty tricks like this play into Trump's hands One Black Sheep May 2016 #5
reminds me of how she allowed war veteran to be brutalized at her speech: amborin May 2016 #6
It ain't the Nineties any more, you can't get away with this shit there are too many eyes watching Fumesucker May 2016 #7
Maybe not enough objective eyes watching at primaries and caucuses, tho. merrily May 2016 #70
Hillary, please stop your persecution of Donald Trump. It makes oasis May 2016 #8
Thing is, Bernie supporters value integrity. senz May 2016 #11
So, are you saying that Trump has integrity? blue neen May 2016 #46
What senz meant was perfectly clear. merrily May 2016 #71
No, I really don't think it was clear at all. blue neen May 2016 #80
Baloney. That she was not referring to Trump was obvious. merrily May 2016 #87
No, it is not. blue neen May 2016 #101
Sorry, this thread is about a false flag operation from the Hillary campaign. merrily May 2016 #150
Nope. Saying Bernie has integrity and wouldn't do something like this. senz May 2016 #99
What? He wouldn't call out Trump for not supporting Veterans? blue neen May 2016 #100
He wouldn't shut out certain Veteran's groups. senz May 2016 #106
If you can read the article without your Clinton-Derangement-Syndrome glasses on Maru Kitteh May 2016 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R May 2016 #155
"From my earlier post: " TwilightZone May 2016 #157
If you endorse this skeevy bullshit... that's on YOU. Another unforced error from Our Lady Of Poor AzDar May 2016 #12
"Our Lady of Poor Judgement" pablo_marmol May 2016 #30
Good one. JudyM May 2016 #92
I was raised Catholic. pablo_marmol May 2016 #95
Ha. I wasn't and it's still a good one! JudyM May 2016 #96
* pablo_marmol May 2016 #98
Our Lady of Perpetual Poor Judgement pmorlan1 May 2016 #131
^ Love This! Jack Bone May 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #14
Underscored is Trump's scheme to short fund the vets from the donations. oasis May 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #22
"Trump will look real honest". You'd best be careful in your oasis May 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #33
I disagree. Even Trump can't get away with fucking over vets. oasis May 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #39
Since before that. Remember the Bonus Army? Jester Messiah May 2016 #81
All this from someone who was a Ross Perot voter. Yikes. R B Garr May 2016 #83
This thread makes me ill. nt BootinUp May 2016 #28
More like do it better. cali May 2016 #40
We'll see which story has the most legs. nt oasis May 2016 #41
Soeaking for myself, it makes me uneasy that she has to resort to cheap, transparent tricks jack_krass May 2016 #79
Oh Didn't You Hear pmorlan1 May 2016 #137
Thank you. Look at all the concern here for Trump! Hillary has to coddle Trump R B Garr May 2016 #82
Hooray! Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #9
Supporters of the other "Democrat" senz May 2016 #13
'Fraid so.... there seems to be no mountain too high. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #15
We don't want Hillary doing anything for Vets. Trump will be so good at it. leftofcool May 2016 #50
She did enough to make them , you don't think they cant't remember ,she should step back. bahrbearian May 2016 #74
Total Cult Of Personality... The shit I've seen defended in her name: lying, cheating, stealing... AzDar May 2016 #17
.... rbrnmw May 2016 #43
More astroturf from team Hillary dreamnightwind May 2016 #10
Very Sad pmorlan1 May 2016 #133
Do we really want this person in the White House? senz May 2016 #16
Absolutely! You should trust Trump leftofcool May 2016 #49
I was for Obama and am for Sanders, so, no. merrily May 2016 #67
Nope, not DEMOCRATIC Underground anymore. RandySF May 2016 #18
If The Candidate You Support Pulls Nasty Tricksies Right Out Of The Republican Playbook... AzDar May 2016 #20
We're trapped behind the lines! BootinUp May 2016 #36
Watch out for thrown chairs Aerows May 2016 #114
Her grassroots is as phoney as her bought FB 'likes' and Twitter followers. HooptieWagon May 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #23
Nevertheless,rather than travisjbailey May 2016 #25
someone is not getting their money's worth Skittles May 2016 #42
Trump said he raised $6 million for veterans. Now his campaign says it was less. tirebiter May 2016 #27
There is no outrage here on behalf of the veterans, victims of oasis May 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #34
Poor judgement once again. Why must her camp think they must manage everything. dinkytron May 2016 #31
Twenty years ago all this sort of thing worked fine Fumesucker May 2016 #38
Well, well stated. dinkytron May 2016 #44
Absolutely! Why must Hillary help Vets get what they deserve and need? leftofcool May 2016 #48
That is not the problem. This is the sort of thing that plays right into cali May 2016 #57
Her campaign helped organize an event against her opponent? 72DejaVu May 2016 #45
My you people seem so mad !! rjsquirrel May 2016 #47
One false flag operation after another. merrily May 2016 #51
You really shouldn't link to a highly bigoted site that also welcomes racists to cheers. NCTraveler May 2016 #94
Telling me I should not link to something I wrote myself because merrily May 2016 #151
Just pointing out they are known for their bigotry and racism. NCTraveler May 2016 #153
Some DUers are known for spurious claims on behalf of Hillary, merrily May 2016 #154
tiny hands stronghold lol. stonecutter357 May 2016 #53
I'm sorry. I'm confused. baldguy May 2016 #58
Creating Vet's then trying to pretend you care. " I made a mistake" bahrbearian May 2016 #75
I was on the jury for this thread. auntpurl May 2016 #59
To answer your queston about what was bad. Jim Lane May 2016 #64
I wish I could K & R a post. Thank you for a thoughtful response... mrdmk May 2016 #113
Excellent summation! vintx May 2016 #138
Leave Trump alone!!!... SidDithers May 2016 #60
it's Politics as Usual. This must be your first election. Lil Missy May 2016 #61
Good for her! What happened to the $6 Million Trump claimed to raise for Vets? Lady_Chat May 2016 #62
What happened to all that money Hillary was raising for downticket Democrats? BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #97
I guess we love Trump now? Or if we don't we suck? bravenak May 2016 #63
So much fail. Jim Lane May 2016 #65
Will you be upset if Hillary beats Trump? Renew Deal May 2016 #68
Oh, my, it's loyalty-oath time again. Jim Lane May 2016 #107
I get the sense that some Sanders supporters want her to lose to Trump Renew Deal May 2016 #66
I've gotten that sense for a while now obamanut2012 May 2016 #69
It's more than a sense. TwilightZone May 2016 #88
God,there sure are some true colors coming through in sufrommich May 2016 #72
This isn't about Trump MuseRider May 2016 #73
Maybe Bernie could be Don's Veep! That would be HUGE! They already are a team. LuvLoogie May 2016 #76
The group reached out to Hillary campaign for press contacts. So Hillary gets blamed. WTF!! nt Jitter65 May 2016 #77
What's SHADY is the constant manufactured outrage posted on DU SharonClark May 2016 #78
So we're helping Trump now Dem2 May 2016 #84
More political theatre bullshit by the Clinton campaign EndElectoral May 2016 #85
"but not TOO many vets--some might be from wars we support" MisterP May 2016 #86
AstroTurf Hillary is really a pathetic character... Yurovsky May 2016 #89
The ability to read is a lost art Haveadream May 2016 #90
Nice job leaving out information TwilightZone May 2016 #91
You mean another quote from a Campaign Operative who had been caught LYING earlier? AzDar May 2016 #93
I believe Alexander McCoy Haveadream May 2016 #103
HE LIED. The fact that you can and do ignore that speaks volumes... AzDar May 2016 #109
Munches popcorn... Katashi_itto May 2016 #104
Good KingFlorez May 2016 #105
I amazed that so many support that lying ................ Historic NY May 2016 #108
Trump is a liar... So is Hillary. And Tu Quoque is no defense at all... AzDar May 2016 #110
I see you outed yourself. Historic NY May 2016 #111
Please proceed... AzDar May 2016 #112
Ours is a kinder, gentler swiftboating. timmymoff May 2016 #117
I'm all for criticizing the tactics that the Democrats use Dem2 May 2016 #119
Sounds like blaming the messenger instead of the act. timmymoff May 2016 #122
" I am all in favor of criticizing Democratic tactics" Dem2 May 2016 #123
I stand by my statement timmymoff May 2016 #124
OK, whatever, I know attack language when I see it Dem2 May 2016 #125
Legitimate critcism is it was pretty timmymoff May 2016 #127
SO SHADY! Dem2 May 2016 #132
Or the person who continues to do things like this timmymoff May 2016 #134
SO SHADY!!1! Dem2 May 2016 #135
Sounds like an psyop. Octafish May 2016 #120
Poor, Poor Trump. Lucky for him he has people like you to look out for him n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #126
The new dems: where swiftboating is a liberal value. timmymoff May 2016 #128
I haven't read through the whole thread, but has anyone attacked Trump Sheepshank May 2016 #129
Trump didn't help stage this or I imagine they would. timmymoff May 2016 #130
In substance, yes. Jim Lane May 2016 #145
Sounds like something Trump would do. B Calm May 2016 #144
A must! fleabiscuit May 2016 #146
Nothing as bad as fake protesters storming the doors while poor election officials trudyco May 2016 #149
Now, let me see if I have this right. Some veterans who want to do an anti Trump protest skylucy May 2016 #152
FFS dlwickham May 2016 #156
Lie, Cheat And Steal... AzDar May 2016 #158
Trump Finally Caves, Gives Money to Vets After Media Badgers Him Into It tirebiter May 2016 #159

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
56. This is the best description of her candidacy yet. Nobody goes to her rallies, nobody puts up signs.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:17 AM
May 2016

Nobody puts bumper stickers on their cars for her, nobody votes in online polls for her, but miraculously she wins elections!

Maybe this works against a naïve idealist like Bernie Sanders who didn't see the flim-flam until this month. But up against Donald Trump, who used to run *casinos* for cripes sakes? If there's anyone who understands rigging, it's a casino operator.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
118. Oh, I see. So you're UPSET that the campaign assisted some Veterans in undermining Trumps campaign.
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

You seem to have some company, although I can't say it could be described as "good."

What do we see in this article if we try reading it without our Clinton-Derangement-Syndrome glasses on?

We see a few things, including a poorly proofed, ("the Clinton campaign should not be seen viewed as behind the organizer&quot logically inconsistent piece of work driven by obvious hatred of Clinton and somewhat questionable ability. When we cut through the factless and spittle-flecked content that serves only to illustrate the authors' opinion, this is what we have.

1. A man named Alexander McCoy was the spokesperson for the veterans group that organized over social media and protested Trump.
2. Mr. McCoy requested press contact assistance from the Clinton campaign.
3. The Clinton campaign organized a conference call where the campaign provided logistical and media advice to McCoy and those who organized the event.
4. McCoy expressed that vets showing up in organizational T-shirts was discouraged, but there was no attempt to block participation by any individual members of vets organizations.
5. The Clinton campaign has stated that they will be happy to assist any vets who wish to speak out against Trump and his behavior.
6. One person who is never named as a source in this article was obviously disgruntled for one reason or another.


People are territorial beings by nature, and those who organize groups, events and protests are often fiercely so. Some make a living at forming advocacy groups, and visibility is their bread and butter. The IAVA is mentioned, and it is implied heavily that someone from the IAVA wanted to send their members to the event dressed in their IAVA shirts, which would of course increase visibility for that group.

Mr. McCoy seems to be a contributor only at a site called "Task and Purpose." The rally event is not the headliner on that group's front page. It appears that Mr. McCoy was genuine in not wanting this to be about any single group of veterans, to have any particular group come in and, in essence, take the event over and make it about themselves. This, from what we read in the article, rubbed the unnamed source's fur all kinds of backwards.

So - we have one vet organizer who got his feelings hurt when his group was not allowed to become the focus of the event, and he lashed out by complaining to a writer at TDB whose hatred for Hillary shines so bright that she is willing to attack veterans who protest Trump to feed it. That's immature, sad and ugly, and not in any way admirable behavior. Assisting veterans to speak out against Trump - that is admirable.

angrychair

(8,697 posts)
139. While I think tRump's actions deserve attention
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

This was a clumsy and self-serving action on the part of the Clinton campaign.
Your little rant falls apart with this statement:

Then the activist finally admitted that, yes, the Clinton campaign had helped organize the protest.


tRump's fake event for veterans was exposed weeks ago by Lawrence O'Donnell and IAVA were at the tip of the spear in speaking out on his show and exposing the fraud.
Protesting tRump for using vets as props and scamming people into thinking that tRump gives a shit about veterans is a worthy cause. Using veterans in some sort of AstroTurf 'protest' in perfect coordination with your own public speaking event where you are questioning tRump's integrity shows just as poor judgment.

While I will concede the point that it is very effective (candidate questions other candidate's integrity in speech and - just by coincidence - there is a protest from veterans about tRump lying to them), the optics are poor (self-serving. It really should have been about the vets but they were a means to an end in selling HRC's point that rTrump has no integrity, that, ironically, doesn't need a hard sell)

frylock

(34,825 posts)
136. What's pretty fucking pathetic is that if this were a level playing field..
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

Hillary would've dropped out around the time that Jeb! did. What's pretty fucking pathetic is Hillary Supporter pretending that she wouldn't be here today but for the machinations of the Party.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
140. Cry me a river
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

Hillary got more votes than Bernie and you just can't deal with it.

The party didn't give her those votes. People actually preferred Hillary over Bernie.

I think Bernie is actually the fake candidate. He pretends like the people support him, but in actuality more people support Hillary.

Too bad for you.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
142. Yep. You do indeed have your head in the sand
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

You can't accept the fact that your candidate has fewer votes...so you make up sad excuses.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
5. Clumsy dirty tricks like this play into Trump's hands
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:47 AM
May 2016

Trump loves to rant and bluster all day long about stuff like this, and we all know the media loves to give him the air time 24/7 for it as well. Hillary's campaign better be on the ball and if nothing else, more subtle than this attempt, unless they want things to backfire.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
6. reminds me of how she allowed war veteran to be brutalized at her speech:
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:50 AM
May 2016

Hillary’s Double-Standard on Protests

March 11, 2016

Exclusive: Hillary Clinton is lecturing Donald Trump on the need to respect protesters but – in 2011 – she did nothing to stop police from brutalizing a silent protester at one of her speeches, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Hillary Clinton has excoriated Donald Trump for failing to stop a supporter from roughing up a protester during a speech, saying “This kind of behavior is repugnant. We set the tone for our campaigns — we should encourage respect, not violence.” Yet, in 2011, she did nothing to stop security personnel from brutalizing a 71-year-old veteran who stood silently with his back to her during a speech.

The protester, Ray McGovern, a retired Army officer and CIA analyst, was wearing a black “Veterans for Peace” T-shirt, when he was set upon within sight of Secretary of State Clinton, who ironically was delivering a speech about the importance of foreign leaders respecting dissent. The assault on McGovern left him bruised and bloodied but it didn’t cause Clinton to pause as she coolly continued on, not missing a beat.

Army veteran and ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern, standing in protest of a speech by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Feb. 15, 2011.

The Feb. 15, 2011 incident at George Washington University in Washington prompted an email from Clinton’s personal adviser Sidney Blumenthal who noted that “something bad happened” and suggested that Clinton have someone reach out and apologize to McGovern. Clinton, however, chose not to do so....

Subsequently, McGovern was placed on the State Department’s “Be On the Look-out” or BOLO alert list, instructing police to “USE CAUTION, stop” and question him and also contact the State Department’s Diplomatic Security Command Center.


https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/11/hillarys-double-standard-on-protests/
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blue neen

(12,319 posts)
101. No, it is not.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:51 PM
May 2016

This thread is about defending Donald Trump, so it's very confusing to see how "integrity" comes into account anywhere.

If we stop having threads defending Donald Trump's actions and non-actions, maybe there will be a little more clarity.

Bernie should be calling out Donald Trump for not defending Veterans. Sorry to see that he is not.

Done kicking this thread defending Trump.

Bye.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
150. Sorry, this thread is about a false flag operation from the Hillary campaign.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

That's clear from the subject line. You don't have to agree, but pretending the thread is about something else so you can attack senz for supporting Sanders is not the way to go.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
100. What? He wouldn't call out Trump for not supporting Veterans?
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

This whole thread seems to make no sense. You are all actually defending Donald Trump here and talking about "integrity". That word does not belong in any discussion of Trump.

Stop posting threads defending Donald Trump and there won't be any confusion.

Done.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
106. He wouldn't shut out certain Veteran's groups.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

He wouldn't play these underhanded little games.

Bernie's real. He's not phony and not underhanded. That's why people trust him

Now get something straight: I didn't post this perfectly legitimate thread critical of a sneaky candidate.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
121. If you can read the article without your Clinton-Derangement-Syndrome glasses on
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

You will find this to be something entirely different.

From my earlier post:
What do we see in this article if we try reading it without our Clinton-Derangement-Syndrome glasses on?

We see a few things, including a poorly proofed, ("the Clinton campaign should not be seen viewed as behind the organizer&quot logically inconsistent piece of work driven by obvious hatred of Clinton and somewhat questionable ability. When we cut through the factless and spittle-flecked content that serves only to illustrate the authors' opinion, this is what we have.

1. A man named Alexander McCoy was the spokesperson for the veterans group that organized over social media and protested Trump.
2. Mr. McCoy requested press contact assistance from the Clinton campaign.
3. The Clinton campaign organized a conference call where the campaign provided logistical and media advice to McCoy and those who organized the event.
4. McCoy expressed that vets showing up in organizational T-shirts was discouraged, but there was no attempt to block participation by any individual members of vets organizations.
5. The Clinton campaign has stated that they will be happy to assist any vets who wish to speak out against Trump and his behavior.
6. One person who is never named as a source in this article was obviously disgruntled for one reason or another.


People are territorial beings by nature, and those who organize groups, events and protests are often fiercely so. Some make a living at forming advocacy groups, and visibility is their bread and butter. The IAVA is mentioned, and it is implied heavily that someone from the IAVA wanted to send their members to the event dressed in their IAVA shirts, which would of course increase visibility for that group.

Mr. McCoy seems to be a contributor only at a site called "Task and Purpose." The rally event is not the headliner on that group's front page. It appears that Mr. McCoy was genuine in not wanting this to be about any single group of veterans, to have any particular group come in and, in essence, take the event over and make it about themselves. This, from what we read in the article, rubbed the unnamed source's fur all kinds of backwards.

So - we have one vet organizer who got his feelings hurt when his group was not allowed to become the focus of the event, and he lashed out by complaining to a writer at TDB whose hatred for Hillary shines so bright that she is willing to attack veterans who protest Trump to feed it. That's immature, sad and ugly, and not in any way admirable behavior. Assisting veterans to speak out against Trump - that is admirable.

Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #121)

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
12. If you endorse this skeevy bullshit... that's on YOU. Another unforced error from Our Lady Of Poor
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:12 AM
May 2016

Judgment...

Response to oasis (Reply #8)

oasis

(49,378 posts)
19. Underscored is Trump's scheme to short fund the vets from the donations.
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:24 AM
May 2016

He's the one with 'splaining to do.

Response to oasis (Reply #19)

oasis

(49,378 posts)
26. "Trump will look real honest". You'd best be careful in your
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:40 AM
May 2016

praise of the man. That's how "bromances" get started.

Response to oasis (Reply #26)

oasis

(49,378 posts)
35. I disagree. Even Trump can't get away with fucking over vets.
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

They are the real "third rail of politics".

Response to oasis (Reply #35)

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
79. Soeaking for myself, it makes me uneasy that she has to resort to cheap, transparent tricks
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

When Bernie could have run on his integrity

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
137. Oh Didn't You Hear
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

Integrity is so yesterday. Who needs integrity and ethics when we can use dirty tricks and cheap, poorly done stunts like this. Bernie could beat Trump in a walk. No need to stoop to these low, pathetic tactics. Hillary and Trump are driving down voter turnout even before the GE. We will have a contest between David Brock & Roger Stone to see who can bury which candidate in a cesspool of smears.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
82. Thank you. Look at all the concern here for Trump! Hillary has to coddle Trump
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

AND Bernie, while they both savage her. It truly is unbelievable.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
15. 'Fraid so.... there seems to be no mountain too high.
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:17 AM
May 2016

I have reservations about saying it but some seem to be teetering on fanaticism.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
50. We don't want Hillary doing anything for Vets. Trump will be so good at it.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:53 AM
May 2016

So glad you are on his team.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
74. She did enough to make them , you don't think they cant't remember ,she should step back.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

"I made a mistake "

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
17. Total Cult Of Personality... The shit I've seen defended in her name: lying, cheating, stealing...
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:19 AM
May 2016

simply mind blowing...but it's all good to some.






Trump Will Have A Field Day With This...



dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
10. More astroturf from team Hillary
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:05 AM
May 2016

Sad to see our party stooping to such tactics. Not surprising at all, just sad.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
16. Do we really want this person in the White House?
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:18 AM
May 2016

Wouldn't it be better to have a president we can trust?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
114. Watch out for thrown chairs
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

and Senators fearing for their lives (presumably not of sniper fire in this case, though) after flipping voters off.

If you can somehow drag the Pope into it, that would really round things out.

Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #21)

travisjbailey

(7 posts)
25. Nevertheless,rather than
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:38 AM
May 2016

Nevertheless, one veterans organizer said, the result was an astroturfed political stunt rather than an expression of grassroots outrage.

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
27. Trump said he raised $6 million for veterans. Now his campaign says it was less.
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:56 AM
May 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-said-he-raised-6-million-for-vets-now-his-campaign-says-it-was-less/2016/05/20/871127a8-1d1f-11e6-b6e0-c53b7ef63b45_story.html

One night in January, Donald Trump skipped a GOP debate and instead held his own televised fundraiser for veterans. At the end of the night, Trump proclaimed it a huge success: “We just cracked $6 million, right? Six million.”

Now, Trump’s campaign says that number is incorrect.

The comments appear to be the first acknowledgment — almost four months later — that Trump’s fundraiser had brought in less than the candidate said. Lewandowski said he did not know the exact total raised or how much of it remained unspent.

In recent weeks, Trump and his campaign repeatedly declined to give new details about how much they have given away.

“Why should I give you records?” Trump said in an interview with The Post this month. “I don’t have to give you records.”

Paul Rieckhoff, founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said Trump’s refusal to divulge how much of the money he had distributed raised questions about whether the candidate intended the fundraiser primarily as a public-relations effort for himself.

“That’s just shady. Right? No matter how you cut it, that’s just shady,” Rieckhoff said. “If he was going to make it right, a couple of weeks before Memorial Day would be a good time to do it. It behooves him, not just politically but ethically, to come forward and account for this money.”

Trump provided no official way for charities to apply for the money. Groups around the country still tried, sending letters and hitting up local veterans-for-Trump leaders.

“We haven’t heard anything,” said Judy Schaffer of Heroes to Heroes, a New Jersey-based group that sends veterans on nondenominational trips to Israel to prevent suicide and promote “spiritual healing.” Her group had received a donation from Trump’s personal foundation years before.

“We have a waiting list of over 200 veterans. Many of them have already attempted suicide,” Schaffer said this week. “And it keeps me up at night, not being able to send more people.”

Trump staged an event to skip a debate, claimed he raised $6M, can't account for how much or who received any of it. This is the story making the front pages.

oasis

(49,378 posts)
32. There is no outrage here on behalf of the veterans, victims of
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:12 AM
May 2016

Trump's donation shenanigans. What's that telling you?

Response to oasis (Reply #32)

dinkytron

(568 posts)
31. Poor judgement once again. Why must her camp think they must manage everything.
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:11 AM
May 2016

There is nothing zen or intuitive about them. It will be their downfall. It never works.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
38. Twenty years ago all this sort of thing worked fine
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:36 AM
May 2016

The mass adoption of the internet has changed the PR game mightily.

What the powers that be haven't yet come to grips with is that plenty of smart people don't necessarily have anything better to do than sit around looking into the details of anything you can think of.

Combine that with a naturally authoritarian personality and you get the Clinton campaign.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
48. Absolutely! Why must Hillary help Vets get what they deserve and need?
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:52 AM
May 2016

Why must she tread on poor Donald Trump. Good fucking gawd!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
57. That is not the problem. This is the sort of thing that plays right into
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:21 AM
May 2016

the hands of trump and the rethugs. It supports the negative image she has with many voters.

If you're going to astroturf, do it well. Don't get caught doing it.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
94. You really shouldn't link to a highly bigoted site that also welcomes racists to cheers.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

I have links on du showing just how bigoted that sites membership is. They are outright blatant and don't hide it.

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?7586-America-s-First-Gay-President-Hillary-Clinton

merrily

(45,251 posts)
151. Telling me I should not link to something I wrote myself because
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

you disagree with a entirely different post by a different author on the same site is both absurd and ridiculously authoritarian. Supporting Hillary is not the reason for every board's existence. Reasonable adults can cope with that.

I link to my posts at DU and I don't agree with every post on this site. Hell, I haven't even read every post on either site, let alone agree with all of them; and Jackpine Radicals censors less than DU. You obviously favor more censorship.





 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
153. Just pointing out they are known for their bigotry and racism.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

Sorry for saying you shouldn't link there. That was over the top.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
154. Some DUers are known for spurious claims on behalf of Hillary,
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

but that does not stop me from posting here or linking to my own DU posts or other DU posts.

Claiming I should not link to something I wrote because you want another board to censor what you would like censored is way too authoritarian and pro-censorship for me. If you don't want to follow the link to a post I wrote, don't follow it. If you don't think people should link to JPR, stop linking to it. But, I guess controlling only one's own behavior, rather than the behavior of other posters on other boards, can be frustrating for some people.

My own view is that I'd rather know what is out there because I can't censor all of America when it comes to the general. However, that is not the view of the owner of this board and most of the time, I try to respect rules of a board on which I post. I did deliberately say fuck you to one poster a couple of years ago, knowing I was violating the rules. Apart from that, I can't think of an intentional violation.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
58. I'm sorry. I'm confused.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:24 AM
May 2016

The Clinton campaign helps organize a protest against TRUMP and Democrats are supposed to be upset? I must have fallen through a dimensional rift and ended up in Bizarro DU, right?

Of course, no real Democrats are upset about this. Just the Not Hillary Party.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
59. I was on the jury for this thread.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:36 AM
May 2016

I voted to leave it (I am a Hillary supporter). It was a 4-3 leave in the end.

I don't get why this is bad. Hillary's campaign helped veterans to organise an event they were already going to put on, to help defeat Trump. How is this shady or a smear?

Once again, I guess I and other Hillary supporters are not "pure" enough for some Bernie supporters, who apparently want to take the highest possible road even if it hamstrings their candidate. I don't see anything wrong with this story, but even if you think it's a bit on the manipulative side, I say GOOD. Is the goal not to defeat Trump? This is still a democratic board, right?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
64. To answer your queston about what was bad.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:30 AM
May 2016

The first thing that happened was that the Clinton campaign decided to organize an anti-Trump event. Nothing bad about that, IMO.

The next thing that happened was that the campaign deliberately excluded legitimate veterans' organizations "to prevent them from claiming the limelight." That was bad judgment. The campaign wanted complete control of the message, which raises a legitimate inference that the campaign was interested in the veterans' situation only to the extent that it could be exploited to make Trump look bad.

Having made these plans, the campaign then "initially played down its role in the event...." The spokesman for the demonstrators was, according to the linked article, even more dishonest in that regard, and I don't think it's TFH-land to suspect that the campaign strongly advised the veterans to misrepresent the facts. That lack of candor about the event organizing was worse than the bad judgment in the event organizing.

The next thing that happened was that Clinton supporters on DU displayed just about every ignoble reaction possible. In several responses upthread, and in an entire thread on the subject in their own group, they stated or insinuated: that the reporting of this news was bad; that the posting here meant that Bernie supporters "went off the deep end on Hillary" because Bernie "has taught them to hate Hillary"; that the post means that Bernie supporters believe "that Trump has integrity" and "love Trump" and are, in fact, "on his team."

To cap all that, one of them (I can't prove it was one of them but I'll bet the rent money on it) alerted, and three jurors voted to hide the OP and lock the thread.

To clarify for people who seem to be comprehension-impaired: One can believe that Trump is a blowhard AND believe that the veterans got the shaft AND believe that the demonstration was justified AND believe that the misrepresentation about the organizing was wrong AND believe that Trump's misrepresentation about the help to veterans was wrong AND believe that even on, yes, "Democratic" Underground it's reasonable to post criticisms of a Democrat AND believe that, despite all foregoing, Trump does not have integrity and does not deserve to have any DUers on his team. I, for one, believe all those things.

We used to mock the Republicans for not being able to follow nuance. Bush and his ilk said or implied that anyone opposing Bush on anything was in league with al-Qaeda. It's really depressing that we see the same mindset on DU. Apparently, to some people, there are only two conceivable points of view: Hillary can do no wrong, and everything else. Anyone criticizing Hillary about anything is engaged in "Hillary-hating" and must be a "Trump-humper".

Thank you, auntpurl, for displaying integrity by voting to leave the OP alone. I hope that doesn't get you ostracized by all the Clinton zealots who've voiced their indignation about the reposting of a news report.

Lady_Chat

(561 posts)
62. Good for her! What happened to the $6 Million Trump claimed to raise for Vets?
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:57 AM
May 2016

Nothing wrong with asking for accountability from this braggart. Remember what repubs did to John Kerry? Swifttboated. He had to defend his military service. He had nothing to defend, he served honorably. I remember what they did in NY for the 2004 GOP convention, wearing purple heart band aids. Disgusting. And Trump should get away with promising money to Vets and not delivering? Give me a break.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
97. What happened to all that money Hillary was raising for downticket Democrats?
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

Should she get away with claiming that while she was evading campaign spending laws to stuff her campaign with money?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
63. I guess we love Trump now? Or if we don't we suck?
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:57 AM
May 2016

Why is Trump so special that nobody should protest him or help organize a Veterans protest against a man who straight up lied about raising money for them? I refuse to be a Trump fan.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
65. So much fail.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:34 AM
May 2016

No, we do not love Trump. No, we are not Trump fans. This insinuation is not only false, it is monumentally stupid. That it is repeated like a drumbeat by other Clinton supporters does not make it any less stupid.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
107. Oh, my, it's loyalty-oath time again.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

If Hillary Clinton becomes President, I will be upset, for reasons that should be no secret to any progressive who reads this forum.

If Donald Trump becomes President, I will be even more upset. If you actually cared about my opinion, you would have found me criticizing Trump right in this very thread. (Here's a helpful hint: "Will you still need me/Will you still feed me....&quot

I also have more than one post elsewhere talking about how I would face the looming unpleasant choice between those two. (Here's a helpful hint: "clothespin".)

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
66. I get the sense that some Sanders supporters want her to lose to Trump
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:41 AM
May 2016

Because they think it will prove a lot of their BS about Hillary correct.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
69. I've gotten that sense for a while now
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:43 AM
May 2016

This thread is unbelievable. Shame on the Admins for allowing this here.

TwilightZone

(25,467 posts)
88. It's more than a sense.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

They're positively jumping up and down with glee at the prospect.

Just look at the threads showing the (meaningless) head-to-head polls.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
72. God,there sure are some true colors coming through in
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:49 AM
May 2016

this thread. I've seen less Clinton Derangement Syndrome on some right wing sites.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
73. This isn't about Trump
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:50 AM
May 2016

this is about all of us. They aren't just rat fucking Trump, they are lying to all of us. It is just this kind of bullshit that this country does not need.

Potemkin is a perfect description. How anyone could vote for someone who would stoop this low is more than I can even comprehend and a huge problem for our country.

LuvLoogie

(6,995 posts)
76. Maybe Bernie could be Don's Veep! That would be HUGE! They already are a team.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:15 AM
May 2016

The Revolution to Make America Great Again!

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
89. AstroTurf Hillary is really a pathetic character...
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

and it's only made worse by that fake laugh and unbridled arrogance.

Millions of ill-gotten money probably destroys any sense of self-awareness. And nobody on the Clinton gravy train is going to fall on their sword and inform her that she's coming off as a total fraud.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
90. The ability to read is a lost art
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

This was not a "Clinton" campaign event. It was a protest put together by Marine veteran Alexander McCoy. Could it have been a larger, more well organized event? Yes. But, that is what happens when your every day Joe and a few other people want to have their voices heard and have the courage to actually get out there in public and do it.

Alexander reached out to the Clinton campaign for PRESS CONTACTS. The Clinton campaign offered that and some nominal logistical assistance (a conference call for attendees) for his cause. And the Clinton campaign has made it clear they are happy to help any other groups as well. Nothing is stopping other groups from doing so. That is stated repeatedly in the article.

Amidst all the nasty put downs and smug judgements of naysayers, do any of you critics actually give a **** about him and his group fellow vets who actually got out there and pushed back against the Trump machine? Do you care about his message? Or, are you too caught up in finding ways to attack Clinton that his very legit cause is being drowned out in your BS. If you actually care, do something about it. I mean, what were all you folks who are insulting his efforts doing Monday while he stood out there on the sidewalk in NY getting jeered at by Trump supporters? Right. Thought so.

And, unlike the OP, I don't blame Alexander a bit for not wanting to have his message ABOUT TRUMP, hijacked by another agenda. It is his and the other Vet's protest. The fact that some Sander's supporters would have liked it to be a different protest made is ON them. Organize your own rather than demeaning this small group of Vets who actually showed up to challenge Trump. They are appalled by Trump, his lies and his use of Vets while doing NOTHING for them. And you know what they got for their effort? Trump supporters and people like you putting them down. Window washers dumping water on them. News agencies and posters on DU making it about Hillary instead of the Vets, their message and Trump. This is not about Hillary no matter how much some would like to spin the message to make it more "newsworthy." For me, what Alexander and his fellow Vets have to say is incredibly important and enough.


If Alexander or any of the Vets who showed up to the protest are reading this, know you are awesome.
Thank you for your service, thank you for standing up and thank you for calling out Trump despite all the BS. I hear you. Other people hear you. You are heroes.

Mad props to you all. Thank you!





TwilightZone

(25,467 posts)
91. Nice job leaving out information
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

I see that you conveniently left out McCoy's response to the allegations from the middle of your quoted passage.

"McCoy disputed that characterization, telling The Daily Beast he expressed concern on the call about Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America members “showing up in IAVA T-shirts,” which could send a confused message about the focus of the protest. There was no attempt to block IAVA or other veterans groups, he said."


 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
93. You mean another quote from a Campaign Operative who had been caught LYING earlier?
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

At Monday’s protest, Marine veteran and Clinton supporter Alexander McCoy served as a spokesman for the demonstrators—and went to great lengths to hide the Clinton campaign’s involvement with organizing the demonstration.
We’re not affiliated with any campaign, we’re not affiliated with any organization,” McCoy told reporters, saying the protesters used “grassroots organizing techniques, we came together over social media.”
McCoy later told The Daily Beast he reached out to the Clinton campaign to obtain press contacts but denied that Clinton staffers had been involved in organizing the event.


Then, reached by phone after the event, McCoy acknowledged that the Clinton campaign organized the conference call bringing together possible attendees to the protest.


Sorry... NO.
I, like most, tend to believe the Organizer who WASN'T CAUGHT LYING regarding the event and directly disputes the deceitful Clinton Operative:

"An organizer who participated in Saturday’s Clinton campaign-led conference call also said McCoy had discouraged the participation of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) or other major veterans groups to prevent them from claiming the limelight."

Is it any wonder people don't trust Clinton?

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
103. I believe Alexander McCoy
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016




Alexander McCoy served six years in the Marine Corps, separating in 2013 at the rank of Sergeant. As a Marine, he deployed to Saudi Arabia, Honduras, and Germany in support of the U.S. Department of State. His writing on foreign policy, defense and veterans issues has also appeared in Reuters, Foreign Policy, the Jerusalem Post, the Daily Mail, and the Journal of Political Risk. He is the Marine Corps co-chair for Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Tom Ricks' Council of the Former Enlisted, and currently studies political science at Columbia University in New York City. He serves on the board of the Ivy League Veterans Council, which advocates on behalf of veterans in higher education, and High Ground Veterans Advocacy, which trains veterans to become grassroots activists.


His statements are consistent. The fact that he did not want his message to be hijacked by a different cause means he didn't want his message hijacked by a different cause. He wanted it to be about Trump. This is not difficult to understand. Alexander is actually a hero and a remarkable and accomplished human being. Petty, small minded smears based on partisan and fact free conjecture will never change that. I am incredibly proud someone of his caliber supports Hillary.
 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
109. HE LIED. The fact that you can and do ignore that speaks volumes...
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016




"At Monday’s protest, Marine veteran and Clinton supporter Alexander McCoy served as a spokesman for the demonstrators—and went to great lengths to hide the Clinton campaign’s involvement with organizing the demonstration.
“We’re not affiliated with any campaign, we’re not affiliated with any organization,” McCoy told reporters, saying the protesters used “grassroots organizing techniques, we came together over social media.”
McCoy later told The Daily Beast he reached out to the Clinton campaign to obtain press contacts but denied that Clinton staffers had been involved in organizing the event.
Then, reached by phone after the event, McCoy acknowledged that the Clinton campaign organized the conference call bringing together possible attendees to the protest."
 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
117. Ours is a kinder, gentler swiftboating.
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

This is what we are becoming, yet people say we are different. This is clearly an example of how we are not. If you think this is an excellent tactic you are mistaken. If you think the only problem was them getting caught, you are the problem.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
119. I'm all for criticizing the tactics that the Democrats use
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

But screaming "SO SHADY" in all caps is not the sign of a person who is trying to help Democrats; this is a person that attacks Democrats all day long everyday.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
122. Sounds like blaming the messenger instead of the act.
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

If you have some belief of dem infallibility you need to abandon that quick.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
123. " I am all in favor of criticizing Democratic tactics"
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:04 PM
May 2016

Perhaps you should actually try using your eyes to read the words that are in front of your face before responding?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
124. I stand by my statement
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

your issue was with the poster and not what he/ she posted. Former actions of the poster as well.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
125. OK, whatever, I know attack language when I see it
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

I'll stick with legitimate criticism, without the slanderous right wing attack language, thank you very much.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
127. Legitimate critcism is it was pretty
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

stupid move, getting caught proves it even more. Especially when you already have trust issues. Here is what you really want. " shhhhh Hillary just screwed up again, but let's be silent about it and hope another lapse of judgment doesn't get noticed." Kind of a sad place to be I imagine.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
132. SO SHADY!
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

But I don't know when I see that kind of language from a poster who has never ever posted anything positive, one might tend to think that they had an agenda.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
134. Or the person who continues to do things like this
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

could be finally held accountable. Campaign, person , staffer. Seems like quite a misstep considering trust issues again. Caught astroturfing and swiftboating is sort of a bad optic.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
128. The new dems: where swiftboating is a liberal value.
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

I absolutely despise Trump, but how often can you get caught doing this kind of shit? It's so stupid and plays right into his hand.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
129. I haven't read through the whole thread, but has anyone attacked Trump
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

riding the coattails of the vets, using them and their good name, and "losing" millions of dollars he "fundraised" on their behalf?

Seems like there are a certain faction of "Dems" on this site that are hell bent on pressing every single bad meme on Hillary and are forgetting there are Republicans that truly deserve the scorn.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
130. Trump didn't help stage this or I imagine they would.
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

In my post that you responded too I believe I expressed my displeasure for Mr. Trump. Seems to me like the Hillary campaign is showing us how they will snatch defeat from the hands of victory.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
145. In substance, yes.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

I didn't use your exact terms but in #64 I pointed out that Trump had misrepresented his supposed "support" for the veterans and that they had actually gotten the shaft.

I added a point you omitted, that Trump is a blowhard.

Admittedly, though, I don't go out of my way to heap scorn on Trump or other Republicans on every conceivable occasion. You're right that they deserve it. It would be full-time job, though, and one of dubious value. I think most DUers will end up voting against Trump without such piling on.

trudyco

(1,258 posts)
149. Nothing as bad as fake protesters storming the doors while poor election officials
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:26 PM
May 2016

were trying to count hanging chads.

At least these were real protesters... but shutting certain vet groups out was bad.

Oh yeah, and wasn't there the fake plumber? Wonder when she will try that one. Or the photoshopped pictures of events to make it look like more people were there than there actually were.

So many Rove Wannabes, so little time.

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
152. Now, let me see if I have this right. Some veterans who want to do an anti Trump protest
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

are supported by the Hillary campaign /Democratic Party. This outrages many members of Democratic Underground. They are furious with the Democrat who will be running against Trump because her campaign gave some help to the anti Trump veterans. OK. As if it wasn't already pretty obvious what is going on here.... Now let's see if the donkey gets alerted.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
156. FFS
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:25 AM
May 2016

Hillary's campaign helps a group to call out Trump and "Democrats" on here criticize her for it?

just when you think you've seen this place hit rock bottom, someone goes and proves you wrong

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
159. Trump Finally Caves, Gives Money to Vets After Media Badgers Him Into It
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:06 AM
May 2016
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/trump-finally-caves-gives-money-vets-after-media-badgers-him-it

OK, Mother Jones is akready under the bus for some folks

>Our story so far: on January 28, Donald Trump pledged $1 million at a charity fundraiser for veterans. Four months later, after considerable digging, the Washington Post was unable to find any evidence that he had made good on his pledge, so they asked his campaign manager about it. On Friday, Corey Lewandowski said "The money is fully spent. Mr. Trump’s money is fully spent." So who did he give it to? "He's not going to share that information."

>So the Post kept digging all day Monday. Finally, on Tuesday, we learned that Lewandowski had lied. Trump had not, in fact, given any money to anyone:

>Trump said in an interview Tuesday that he pledged the $1 million to the Marine Corps - Law Enforcement Foundation. The mogul notified the group's chairman, retired FBI official James Kallstrom, in a phone call sometime Monday night, according to Kallstrom's wife, Sue Kallstrom.

>The Washington Post had been querying charities on social media, trying to find evidence that his $1 million had been received by any veterans' groups. Trump fulfilled his pledge hours later, it appears.

>Why had it taken almost four months? "You have a lot of vetting to do," Trump said....When asked if the Monday donation was in response to questions from the news media, Trump said: "You know, you’re a nasty guy. You’re really a nasty guy. I gave out millions of dollars that I had no obligation to do."

>Even for Trump, this is inexplicable. Whenever you think he can't possibly be a bigger douche, he proves you wrong. What a revolting human being he is.

And that is the point.
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