“What do we want? Gradual change! When do we want it? In due course!”

[cali]

I think that line is a riot. In fact, much of the article I pulled it from is funny. Read the whole thing. It's worth it


Hillary Clinton Is The Jeb Bush Of The Left


Seventeen months ago, Jeb Bush announced over Facebook that he would be starting a Leadership PAC to “facilitate conversations with citizens across America” about whether he would be a good president.

“Onward,” he signed the note.

Through Washington, shockwaves pounded. A Leadership PAC? A listening tour? Can he even be stopped?

There were similarly reverential pronouncements of inevitability when Hillary Clinton released a sunny YouTube video announcing her presidential plans. Like Jeb, she put in the time in the policy trenches. She earned it. And like Jeb, she literally spent decades meeting donors, building teams, growing trust with party officials, fostering loyalties—doing everything right. Jeb and Hillary headed into their parties’ respective primaries with godlike name I.D.’s and rapper money. And everyone freaked out; the parties, after all, would decide—so how could they not win?

In terms of public policy, of course, the two have vast disagreements—particularly on the issues of abortion and LGBT rights. But stylistically and biographically, the pair have eery similarities—including their vulnerabilities. As a duo, they’ve given East Coast pundits ample opportunities to mortify themselves. Oversold and overestimated, the pair demonstrate just how meager is the appetite for centrist-leaning, dynastic optimists. Jeb’s defeat foreshadowed Clinton’s struggles. So the facts are hard to get around: Hillary is the Jeb of the left.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-is-the-jeb-bush-of-the-left.html

[JaneyVee]

1. Bernie's entire career in govt has been incremental change, or nothing.

Dude passed like 3 bills in 30 years. If youre looking for change, he isnt your messiah.

[cali]

4. Dude passed more amendments than any other congress critter

while in the house and is responsible for the enormous windfall to CHCs. But you, I've noticed, are not well informed. Hilly proposed awesome things- like a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning and named a couple of post offices. Yay, hilly.

And unlike you, Jane, I don't do adoration and worship of pols. Bernie has represented me well in Congress. I like him. Unlike you I don't gush about how much I love the candidate I support.

Oh, and the article is about your adored hilly, not Bernie.

[Press Virginia]

2. We want it now or eventually!!

[brooklynite]

3. What -I- want is not to lose the change we have by nominating someone who might lose to Trump

[cali]

6. Anyone who doesn't think hill can lose to Trump is not living in reality

[Broward]

8. And yet you back Hillary.

[merrily]

7. "With all deliberate speed"

Like coming out for equal marriage after the SCOTUS declares marriage discrimination unconstitutional.

[pinebox]

9. Hillary Clinton’s Mega-Donors Are Also Funding Jeb Bush

This says it all.
Just say no to complacency! Vote Bernie!

Hillary Clinton’s Mega-Donors Are Also Funding Jeb Bush
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/04/hillary-clinton-s-mega-donors-are-also-funding-jeb-bush.html

[nc4bo]

10. Whoopsie. You just had to pull back that awful curtain

Didn't you?!

[TheKentuckian]

11. I no longer even buy that with all the talk of "free stuff" and "a muscular approach" to use of

force and interventionism to "looking forward" to still supporting the stupid and failed drug war to blowing and protecting the too big to fail banks to cheering more environment, wage, sovereignty, and job killing "free trade" deals.

Even "incremental" change is just a marketing slogan intended to convey feelings reminiscent of moderation but the actual intent is actually NEVAH EVAH or more "after I'm cold in the grave so I never have to see it" and "after the public evolves ahead of our non existent pace then we will perhaps if it isn't about fiscal, military, or clandestine policy then we will be willing to lead from the rear and take the credit for what we slow walked or even opposed.

You can't be incremental when you are opposed to the direction and indeed are paddling the opposite way as often as not?

[Waiting For Everyman]

12. "Trudge Up The Hill", as Obama put it.

[Hydra]

13. "Oversold and overestimated...

...the pair demonstrate just how meager is the appetite for centrist-leaning, dynastic optimists.

They even come from the same family now! It's like they thought one wasn't enough to satisfy our hunger for Bushco awesomeness.

[asuhornets]

14. Jeb Bush lost in the primary...sooo...nt

[cali]

16. Read the article and you'll find out why your response is a non-sequitur

[asuhornets]

17. why Bernie's supporters always accuse people of not reading the OP?

[cali]

19. I was being gracious. Either you read the piece and

didn't grasp the comparisons made by the author or you didn't read it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. What change? Change implies something different from the established norm.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. "What do we want?" "Ever-increasing oligarchic control!"

"When do we want it?"

"It doesn't matter what we want!!"